For Arschmann
Eleriel
This is a reply to Arschmann's article, as well as just a general overview of the Shaolins.
When I read it, I lol'd. That is one of the things that has motivated this article. The other being that I am more than fed up of propaganda going around all over the place.
Arschmann, I think you don't understand something. Having IG swiss citizenship doesn't mean I consider you swiss. Why? Its a question of loyalty. Not to me, to eSwitzerland.
Now, let me explain a bit better. You are a nice guy, and you have helped us and cooperated with us, and for that I am grateful. But, you are a shaolin, and your loyalties are with your group, and most important with Russia. Does that mean we can't get along? No. It just means that you can't expect to fully be a part of this country until you are fully loyal. A lot of people who don't agree with me I consider to be Swiss, its really about being loyal to Switzerland. In the event that Russia and Switzerland are in a war together (well this is the case in the US/Russia war) who do you fight for? Do you stick by Switzerland's position of helping out the US because they helped us? (Our friendship with the US pre-dates our joining of EDEN). I don't think so, I strongly believe that you and your group would fight for Russia.
Is that wrong? Not necessarily, it just means you're more loyal to Russia than to Switzerland. Is that wrong? Not at all, but it also proves you are not truly eSwiss. Hell, I even saw cmd0ne fight AGAINST Switzerland in the Resistance War in Graubunden. Does that show loyalty to Switzerland?
Loyalty means making certain sacrifices. I have often heard you say: we have 30% of the population. That's a blatant lie. You have a few guys that have Swiss citizenship. Most of them live in Russia (like you most of the time). A few remain in Switzerland. You guys work in your own companies, and help yourselves.
Some of your guys are good people, others not. Sinkler/HelsuS has threatened to TO us with Multi's. Is that cooperation? No. I have been insulted by several people from your group. Is that friendlyness? No.
Man, even your avatars have the Russian flag all over it. Is that a problem? No it isn't, but don't expect me to ask you for your advice on how to run this country when you are so clearly not loyal to it. If I went to russia, and got citizenship, and there was a referendum on EDEN, would it be fair for me to vote? Of course not. In a country like Russia with 14'000 people, that's not a problem. In a country like ours with a lot less people, it is.
So let me explain how I envision the future. As I said, you have helped us, and I am grateful for that. Hence you will, along with your group, always be welcome guests in Switzerland. But unless you make Switzerland your permanent home, and you become loyal only to switzerland, you will remain guests.
So as a final note. If you wish to truly become members of our society, I welcome you with open arms, and you will be greeted as a friend who has helped us in the past. Otherwise, understand that you will keep your guest status. Also note that should you attempt to PTO the country, I will do everything in my power to stop you, and on the long run kick you out. And make no mistake, I will succeed. I have protected this country several times already, and I will continue to do so.
So the EDEN referendum, well it was conducted among eSwiss people, not just anyone who has the citizenship. What defines eSwiss? Not the fact they agree with me. One of my congressman was opposed to joining EDEN, and he got to vote. The vote was not unanimous, we had about 83% in favour. People who live in Switzerland, who have given everything and who are loyal to Switzerland got the vote. End of story.
Now flame all you will, or do the intelligent thing and be constructive.
Eleriel
President of eSwitzerland
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Long live Eleriel
Long live Switzerland
Long live EDEN
Различай Швейцарию и еШвейцарию ок
*propagand mode*
PEACE AT HOME
PEACE IN THE WORLD
voted !
Good article, now you can all see that eSwitzerland is not a country in which you can come and think you are something great and powerful because they are few. They have friends that are always here to help.
Pokemon Propaganda
Egypt propaganda !
@ Sinkler : разговаривать по-русски не поможет вашей интеграции
About loyalty.
I am loyal to neutral Switzerland. Switzerland, without EDEN without you. Without these MPP, which are harmful.
Poll conducted among your congressmen are invalid. This is not the voice of the people. It is your position and your hand-held Congress.
I call upon all reasonable forces Switzerland to cooperate with me. My weapon of democracy and transparency. But no secret ballot on a secret forum.
I am the democratically elected leader of eSwitzerland. You are loyal to a Switzerland that doesn't exist anymore, so either adapt, or leave.
My congress is not a 'hand held' congress, they were there and fighting to the freedom of Switzerland long before you ever showed up.
Making me sound like a dictator doesn't make you right. You are committed to ruining our alliances and plunging us back into darkness, when we need friends, especially now that PEACE has crumbled. DO not make the mistake of thinking you represent justice and democracy.
Thus, you acknowledge that in fact Switzerland is a totalitarian country.
A small group determines who deserves to be called a true citizen and who does not.
The Referendum is no more than a farce, because it was conducted among pre-selected loyal citizens just to create an illusion of democracy.
>The Referendum is no more than a farce, because it was conducted among pre-selected loyal citizens just to create an illusion of democracy.
Pre-selected? No. Congress was elected by the WHOLE country. They chose 10 particular people, and those 10 people, along with one who was also elected, decided to join EDEN.
I respect them for that, and I gotta say that they will have a good future.
ah, yes, and Arschmann?
Showing off an avatar customised from the PEACE logo ain't gonna endear ya to those people.
Great Job Eleriel!
For proving exactly the points Arschmann made. You can't claim to be a free and democratic government when you lock out a vast majority of your citizens. Plus if you thought you had PTO problems from them before, you just gave them an even bigger motivation.
Thank to Eleriel we are no truly citizenship. Cause we are from erussia. Hail Hit..Eleriel!😁
Die fetten Tagen sind vorbei.
Do not let thses people infect you Switzerland, look at what happened to the eUK when they let PEACE in.
You're a dictator. This is without a doubt. Drago two.
Now I'll explain a bit about the game. If you have citizenship, then you are a citizen of the country. No matter who you are and where you live IRL.
So there is no unreal or real Swiss. It's all true and we have equal rights. And that you do not change.
Patriot? You sold the country to the U.S. for one hospital. Entry into cowardly union, which fears attack PEACE. I do not think it is reasonable and therefore I was not really Swiss?
Legendre, there was no fair election. I and my people have supported candidates from Eleriel. And this is my fault.
Switzerland is EDEN. Accept it or get out...
Switzerland will not be in Eden and I'll do it. Accept it or get out...
>Switzerland is EDEN. Accept it or get out...
Says the people who voted on the closed ballot
>Legendre, there was no fair election. I and my people have supported candidates from Eleriel. And this is my fault.
What makes it unfair? Sure, you made a mistake, but that doesn't make it unfair. You still supported Eleriel.
>Switzerland will not be in Eden and I'll do it. Accept it or get out...
There ya go. Ya acting like a dictator.
As I remember, the current congress was elected as it is only because common will of major political forces of that time who honorably decided to support Eleriel’s Party and not to participate in the elections directly in order to prevent TO of eSwitzerland.
So, we could expect at least leaders of main political parties to be informed about important decisions of current eSwiss government.
Now let’s look at logs of “the referendum”:
http://www.hapshack.com/images/imagepkp.jpg" target="_blank">http://www.hapshack.com/images/imagepkp.[..].jpg
As we may see only selected circle of citizens was admitted. Congressmen are minority among them.
I did not have that option as many others registered n eHelvetia forum.
i helped getting real swiss people into their congress with paraguayan/PEACE members.. i didn feel betrayed at all since is their choise also.. if ur a foreigner (and really really really really want to "help" eSwitzerland) stay out of their political decisions unless you support them.
i like this country because they follow their ideas and make it come true, they support each other and they really want to make eSwitzerland a great country. if you dont like and invite everyone who feels the same way.. to leave the country and cry more from other place.
kkthxbai
BTW POKEMON PROPAGANDA x2
Before the elections, when Eleriel requested assistance, and requested not to participate in the elections. Eleriel then talked about the congressmen of forum, which also would be able to participate in political life.
And where is it?
I will try to make a difference in this election. Also at the last presidential elections the party was an attempt TO our party Edelweiss. What also tells us about the intentions Eleriel.
>i helped getting real swiss people into their congress with paraguayan/PEACE members.. i didn feel betrayed at all since is their choise also.. if ur a foreigner (and really really really really want to "help" eSwitzerland) stay out of their political decisions unless you support them.
i like this country because they follow their ideas and make it come true, they support each other and they really want to make eSwitzerland a great country. if you dont like and invite everyone who feels the same way.. to leave the country and cry more from other place.
kkthxbai
BTW POKEMON PROPAGANDA x2
Seconded.
>I will try to make a difference in this election. Also at the last presidential elections the party was an attempt TO our party Edelweiss. What also tells us about the intentions Eleriel.
Really? Biday ran for the elections out of his own will.
Legendre, You are 9 days in the game, and so well in it all know, the little Indonesian 🙂.
Wrong. More than a year.
This is my second account.
http://www.erepublik.com/en/citizen/profile/545172" target="_blank">http://www.erepublik.com/en/citizen/prof[..]45172
You claim ya paying attention to the forums?
You'd know this if you had been.
I miss flood. And does it change the fact that the vote has not been seen except elected?
Voted, well spoken
LOL, and how will you do it ? You are so confident that you can turn a country to change its alliances and course of politics ? Well then if you do let's get it on... I am here with my group to protect the interests of the goverment, because THEY represent people and people have chosen them. And I have 2 simple reasons for this:
1. I want to see eSwitzerland in EDEN because I come from Croatia.
2. When I already started to fight and help eSwitzerland, I will go all the way, backing out makes no sense.
Go eSwitzerland, vp is with you !
The majority of the people here agree with EDEN. accept it or get out. and don't pull the Citizenship crap, if you have a Swiss citizenship, that does not mean you are loyal to Switzerland. And by Threating us with TO, you are showing your true face. I have seen over 50 PTOs in my time on the eWorld(since day 12), and You are acting like TOer now. You want to get access to the Referendum? Threatening us is not the right way. We are not at danger in any way,and PEACE is crumbling. We are staying in EDEN. deal w/ it.
The majority of the people? Fail.
The majority of the congressman on secret ballot. True.
>The majority of the people? Fail.
The majority of the congressman on secret ballot. True.
Everyone in the army supports EDEN. The army is the majoriy of the people.
>Everyone in the army supports EDEN. The army is the majoriy of the people.
Meaning just you
>Meaning just you
That's some nice trolling there Marquis.
>That's some nice trolling there Marquis.
Thank you.
But in all seriousness;
a. The Swiss army is by far not the majority of the people in
Switzerland.
and b. Even if it was, then wouldn't that just mean that Switzerland is just an army run state (not unlike the Theocrats *cough* *cough😉by only allowing military members to get a vote and denying other citizens the rights to even see the forum?
most citizens were allowed to see the forums.
>most citizens were allowed to see the forums.
Yes, but how can you call yourself a democratic nation if you aren't giving a chance to all your citizens, even if they represent a minority?
>Yes, but how can you call yourself a democratic nation if you aren't giving a chance to all your citizens, even if they represent a minority?
Not all swiss citizens are loyal to switzerland. I am not in control of this anyways.
>Not all swiss citizens are loyal to switzerland. I am not in control of this anyways.
That might be true, but they already have citizenship anyway what difference is it going to make if they could see the forums if they were unfaithful?
Really this is looking awful bad on Eleriel in general; first the proposed neutrality thing, then suddenly switching to EDEN, and now its apparent on the vote an entire section of the population was disbarred from that vote even though they had supported Eleriel's congress in the last election.
he´s still the president.. that means ppl like him and voted him cuz he´s doing a wonderful work.
Pokemon Propaganda
> 1. I want to see eSwitzerland in EDEN because I come from Croatia.
It explains everything
The True eSwiss are eSwiss who came from Eden countries such as Canada, Croatia, Romania, Poland (only they were admitted to participate in "the referendum"😉
The eSwiss who came from former PEACE countries are just considered to be PTOers
katharos45:
just an example, I'm member of the infantry and I was agains't joining EDEN at the time being. also I'm not an RL Swiss nor did I come from EDEN nation.
HOWEVER: this is a democracy. Arschmann won't help himself by promising to take presidency with force or leave eden or whatever.. That is just plain stup.d for a politician to say..
Also the supporters of Eleriel said a bunch of plain stup.dity already at the comments.
Last term's elections were not truely democratic. it's well known. the decisions made since then can be criticized. but also those times are gone.
so everyone: if you plan to be a decent politician drop the hail eden/peace bullshit. convince the voters of your truth that you'll have the chance to change...
Eleriel, I already told you once ...
With you as with children's roller coaster ride ...
Not cool
I was against Switzerland joining EDEN from the first day I came here from Serbia (last standing PEACE member, last one to leave it, and one of the strongest members there). I thought PEACE was the right way. And I have always had a good cooperation with Eleriel and his guys (more or less with his irritating little pawn Ilestis, with his hailing and Elerielmaxxxing in every article). But when he explained to me why we are joining EDEN I had to agree with him. The guy was totally right to choose that path. Now, as PEACE crumbles, it looks like he made no mistake in choosing sides. For that, and the leadership and democracy he is giving us, I support him. When he becomes a real dictator I will say it out loud, and of course stop supporting him.