Fighting the Superalliance Paradigm YET AGAIN!
Arjay Phoenician III
I swore to myself, when I started in this world, I was going to be different from my grandfather. He was an idealist, sometimes preachy, sometimes ridiculous in his passions, but always willing to fight the good fight. In an age where the only fights seem to be on the battlefield and no more in the newspapers and IRC and the forums, it’s probably difficult to fathom a person seeking better from self-proclaimed leaders than sarcasm and game mechanics being their excuse to act like an ass.
After tonight’s argument with AlexJ1890, the United States’ Deputy Secretary of Defense, it’s official: the apple did not fall far from the tree.
There’s a lot of people in the Bolivian community and people who fought for them yesterday who are bent out of shape that, when it looked to Paraguay like they might have a fight on their hands, suddenly the US Department of Defense issued orders for Americans to fight in Santa Cruz on behalf of their ally. We read the Paraguayan papers this morning and were galled at how they could pat themselves on the back for their victory, one that apparently required the US and half of Latin America assisting them, versus Bolivia and a handful of dedicated individuals around the world.
I get the Paraguayan false pride. I saw it when I was a newbie in Belfast, how the UK could take such pride in defeating the Irish, first in Scotland, then Northern Ireland and the rest of the island, knowing they couldn’t defeat us head-to-head, but requiring the Polish to do what they couldn’t do for themselves. Of course, in the case of the Irish, smack talk, disorganization, the unforeseeable catastrophe of Argentina folding like a pup tent, and the inability of leadership to consolidate popular support for national defense didn’t help matters at all. The point, however, is that the British patted themselves on the back for Poland doing what they themselves couldn’t. That much I understand.
What made me lose my mind today were the Americans, as proven on the US DOD’s orders article for Day 2,011, taking pride in an action that (hopefully just momentarily) squashed Bolivian independence. I know, most Americans couldn’t give a good god damn why they were asked to fight in Paraguay, orders are orders. However, I do expect a national defense minister to understand the situation before he gives nationwide orders.
It’s unfortunate that this is a world where the highest level of honor is contained in the phrase, WE FIGHT FOR OUR ALLIES. It’s such a short-sighted phrase, knowing the nature of alliances in this game is so volatile. It requires absolutely no thought at all to follow the axiom, to give credence to another country simply because they paid their share of an MPP, or whatever they’re calling it these days. How many times have we seen alliances shift? How many times have allies betrayed one another? How many allies today were enemies yesterday and will be enemies tomorrow? Alliances change with the wind. We know this to be true.
And yet, it seems to be the highest form of honor a country can show on an international level.
You would think, at some time, after dealing with the treachery of allies and renigging on promise after promise, the powers that be would try a different paradigm. This world is nearly six years old, and still no one can come up with anything better than WE WILL FIGHT FOR OUR ALLY BECAUSE THEY PAID US TO AND WE WILL DO SO UNTIL THEY INEVITABLY BETRAY US, NO MATTER HOW VILE AN ENEMY THEY WERE IN THE PAST.
It’s this lunacy that I tried to show Alex. Unfortunately, if all you’ve been spoonfed since you were born is that only game mechanics count, the ends always justify the means, might always makes right, and your job is just to go along to get along, I’m sure what I said sounded Martian. You’re welcome to read it for yourselves, it was posted on the US Forum, and I warn you ahead of time, I get pretty heate😛
http://eusaforums.com/forum/index.php/topic,26340.0
I don’t expect a kid from a superpower to think outside the box they put him in. This game is quite a bit different, depending on the country you’re in. Living in the US or Poland or Brazil, semi-stable nations that can throw their weight recklessly around and not have to care, is drastically different than living in Ireland or Bolivia, where we’re thankful just to have a single region to call a homeland and establish a Congress. They take so much for granted, they don’t understand how their actions have consequences elsewhere. It’s an arrogance they can get away with. For what can a guy like me do but complain?
This is the very thing my grandfather jumped into. More like cannonballed. I did not want this, but apparently I couldn’t help myself.
Comments
So all nations should have the same allies for all time? New players within nations cannot change that nations future? New players must constantly pay for the actions of the past? Small countries should be given deference because they're small and struggling?
I see your point, but it looks to me as if you are butthurt over the eUS helping eParaguya thwart eBolivia's plans. That's the game. Leave honor out of it. Honor isn't fun.
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Spoken like an American. If you want to live a life here without honor, that's your problem. If you don't want to stand for anything other than momentary expedience and never thinking through your actions, as a person and as a country, at least you've stepped forward and said so. But what point is there in playing this if not for something transcendent, something higher than the treachery of allies and beating up on the weak?
I'll chalk Othere up as having no honor. Next?
Quality troll, voted.
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unfortunately, honor and integrity do not translate into game mechanics and personal advantage
It can be
Whatever the stomping elephants say or do, Bolivia will never die.
Nice to hear these arguments being made once again, honorable Grandson of the Phoenician!
Seems to me that genetics is a powerful force.
I see the Americans are having a good time tearing me a new arse on the US Forum. And deservingly so. How dare I say something different.
I get the same from the Brits. Apparently, truth is about as desirable as ebola in tyrant nations.
who are you and when have you mattered enough to be discussed by us here in blightly?
I drink, therefore I think. Since I think, I am someone. Since I am someone, I matter. Since I matter, I could never be pro TWO or a eUK citizen.
still sheds no light on your importance to us here in eUK...
He has none Wayne.
Why would I want any? I'm not a thug, nor do I support dictators and tyrants. I am a free eIrishman, and that is all the importance I wish to have. I am temporarily a resident of the eUK and it's tyranny, but I will not submit to that.
Paddy, I consider what you say to be interesting & therefore important. As is said history not authority is the final arbiter. And this also applies to how people are viewed. The Poms knocking you here, its like pearls before swine - they have no idea. Plenty of thinking people (both UK, Ireland & elsewhere do thou)
You don't support dictators?
Funny since you supported a CP who forced this country into an alliance that he stupidly though was going to be great with no proof what so ever.
Marcus, MUFC did not force eIreland into anything. The country and congress supported the decision. CUA at the time seemed a good fit for us, and a place we were welcome. At this time, it's easy to look back and say we got screwed. At that time, there was no way to know that eArgentina and eColumbia would betray and attack us.
I'm not MUFC's biggest fan, he has issues he needs to work on. Do not let your personal dislike of him be the basis of attacking him.
Voted !! good article, I think that sooner or later things will change for booth countries
People of principle were rare in your grandfather's time, too, I think. No matter what people with no memory of eHistory think, no matter what the game mechanics advocates say, nobody can take away your right to play the game your way, with honor. It looks like the apple did indeed fall close to the tree, and that you are strongly connected to your roots. Praise whatever eGods there may be that yours is a breed that refuses to die!
Popular support for national defence is actually quite solid, it's governmental incompetence that's the problem.
And what determines who we should choose as allies?
If we only use criteria of emotion, we will get burned. There are hard realities to international relations that escape most people.
Sounds like a great thing to discuss on another article.
Quite.
Do bear in mind that I regard the eUS as a failed state politically, its internal politics are poisonous to extremes in terms of democracy.
Truth be told, based on your definition, you'll be damned to find many countries in this world that aren't corrupted to the core, especially larger countries that have bought into their own hubris without challenge for years.
True, though few have the organised suppression of dissent that can be seen in the eUS.
I think this game had to be a new world in which things were different and that would be a different virtual life, but no difference in RL.
Large countries humiliate younger, honor does not exist in RL and ER.
I too once hoped that we could do things differently in this new world. I want to believe there is still potential, but it was never going to be easy.
Somebody call Copernicus! QUICK! Bolivia is the new center of the solar system!
Hey! Glad to see the interest on the US Forum is spilling out. Hope we can count on your assistance.
lol. NO. Probably not. Unless you do the honorable thing and join CoT.
Me, I'm just a bum, I don't represent anyone but myself and my own sensibilities. I'm free. Once you unshackle yourself from this alliance myth, you can join me on the road in true freedom. It's the best life in eRepublik.
Best comment of this article.
Honor in a browser game? Not likely. To be honest, while I see your point and find both this article and your response to Alex to be entertaining (and insightful, at least to the way you play the game). I think this RP is kind of silly.
This whole thing with allies is just symptomatic of shifting paradigms and the struggle of players in the eUS (and elsewhere) to make or find their own fun. Is it fun to help Paraguay beat Bolivia? Ehh, I don't know... Is it fun to "crush" Bolivian independence? Not really.., Is it fun to read you raging at something like this? Yeah, well, it's more fun than the fight itself. Keep it up. 🙂
Seriously though, most eUS players would rather just NE Serbia and have a big fight and deal with the consequences later. Sometimes, chaos is fun.
You should start with Spain
😁 this
Indeed, : )
Say what you want about eAmericans, but plenty of them have fought in battles for our freedom.
As an RL American I might be a bit defensive of the eUS, but they are sticking up for their allies, which is expected, no matter how unreliable they are.
In fairness, their government hasn't done jack shit for us
The government, no. But the people have.
The odd few, thats about it
I would say the people control the government, but that just isn't true in the eUS.
I remember the glee Ireland had when they took Northern Ireland and Scotland, using the help of Argentina and the USA. So excuse us for using our allies to combat that damage...
nah mate, glee was what we had the 1st month we congress wiped uk after u r lads tried to pto us, and uk spent a year invading us.
The only ones gleeful of that Arg invasion were those who don't know any better.
Even our world famous trolls were trolling us instead of you.
tbf Sweet, eIrelands conduct of late has been deserving of trolling. I remember when I liked you guys...
Wayne we had a few governments full of gobshites recently, don't think us players with a bit of kop on are happy with how the nation has been led for months on end.
Just cuz you like somebody is no reason not to troll them!
Padraig would agree with that Sweet.
Wtf America?
If this government gives orders to fight against a nation like Bolivia then I would like to see Ajay taking over, of all nations to give orders against. There are a few nations id hold in very high regard when considering helping in a fight, Bosnia is one and Bolivia would be on that list as well. Shocked at the US fighting them, though the US had pride and balls but it clearly has neither.
Joins forces with nations it can't defeat and attacks small nations who they use to help in ATO's for.