Farewell to Pacifica
Nalaja
Our friend TheJuliusCaesar acknowledged the rift „irreconcilable” between Hungary and Pacifica alliance in his well written and detailed article. Since after publishing the article, a sudden proposal was made by Pacifica SG to remove Hungary from the alliance, I decided to argue one of the main messages of his summary. Just to inform the reader, Pacifica has at the moment 10 members, so 6 yes votes is almost enough (7 votes make the needed 2/3 majority, if Hungary abstains or cannot vote on the issue, then 6 is enough - UPDATE, as far as I know, it is 7 so far, so the proposal passes). Also I make some comments to the voting issue, as the player who was Hungarian CP when we joined Pacifica 22 months ago, and as a former Pacifica SG.
Julius said, concerning the Pacifica situation a year ago: "At this point the alliance considered we are weaker than Asteria and need to move towards them"
I agree your starting point "Asteria was stronger than Pacifica", it was true from the very beginning. However there are more than just one possible and reasonable way to follow and still be in security:
1. This one you follow. Security - OK. Playground - none.
2. To get the mid-position, able to be defend ourselves if attacked from *any* sides. It's also working, pretending neither side gets 50%+ world majority. Security – OK. Playground – some.
Pacifica applied Nr. 2 (the so-called ’Prophet-doctrine, proposed by SG Prophet in the summer 2015). and applied till last spring (till the AS against Turkey). In this period no one attacked Pacifica. Then - I underline: without common decision, without discussing together, just by decision of some members - the alliance went to Nr. 1. Result? Colin's attack on Russia and Finland, Asterian attack on Mexico.
If majority of the alliance would apply the farmville mode (daily TWs and keeping occupied some not-so-loved countries together with Asteria), this is a viable option. However, it would have been accepted as a result of a formal voting after a proper discussion. This formal move is painfully missed last spring and even since. No summit was held on this issue. No agenda, formal decision, nothing. Of course the chat surfaces were full of debates, but no formal one. Not a single effort to solve this strategic problem, neither during the SGship of TheJuliusCaesar, nor during the one of Yui. Also I have to say, not even about the present issue, about removing Hungary. The second official summit of the last year, held some weeks ago, had no word on this.
And now SG Yui proposed to expel Hungary, without informing Hungary, without any discussion. Nice job.
(Intermission: in June 2017 TheJuliusCaesar announced he would resign from the SG position. In the final voting two nominees remaine😛
Yui and me. Voting ends by the tie result of 5-5 two times. Then a summit agreed we take the decision of the operating SG’s hands. Julius decided to choose Yui. A few minutes later Hungary – accepting the decision – asked all members to elect Yui, thus the voting went unanimously to him. After this background, the present way of proposal was, hm, less friendly. As the Rogue Warrior says, doom on you, Yui.)
In the last week, Hungary got a barrage of ASs and a DoW from Asteria and proAsteria, resulting to lose our bonus colonies. Not a single word from Pacifica community (thanks for the help to Russia and Mexico, anyway). Then came the move of the USA, an AS to… whom? an attacker of Hungary? No – to Croatia, who had MPP with Hungary. Nice help, indeed. Then they lost the landing operation, Croatia ASd back them. Then half of the Pacifica went against Croatia, deleting MPPs with us. It would be still OK, as defending a member’s cores. However, combining this with the present proposal to remove us from alliance, a faint suspicion arises.
If nothing special happens in the next weeks, it was just a quite irregular closing of some internal debates, excluding the maverick from the discussion. But if the Asteria comes against Hungary, especially if with some Pacifica support, it would say the recent activity was a deliberate treason on us. It would say, the alliance sold out a member for their own security or for whatever.
Hope I’m wrong and it is not the case. Because if I’m right, then doom on you, Pacifica – because you can start worrying, who will be next member to be sacrificed to the Mighty Asteria?
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Felállt az új kormány!
erepublik.com/hu/article/2663844
"Pacifica, the power of diplomacy" 🔪
(or smtg like that)
The real power of diplomacy was allways on the Romanian side
http://coub.com/view/wkk9m
Te vagy az egyik felelős ezért.
Persze, ez így van. Te meg a másik és még sokan. De most ebből a helyzetből kell kihozni, amit lehet.
Mas kardosok, nem fsb. Az ameriaki elnok szerint vele alioth egy szot nem valtott.
http://prntscr.com/ibhd4i
Nem kert senkitol segitseget a pacificaban csak es kizarolag andesben gondolkodott.
Alioth akkor.megszopatott mindenkit?
Maykol 16 kolumbiai elnök. Nem tudom elképzelni, hogy a lengyelek és Julius hagyták volna neki, hogy AS-sel segítse Magyarországot... szerintem ez vagy nagyon naiv, vagy nem teljesen őszinte.
WOval én magam váltottam egy terjedelmes elbeszélgetést még a spanyol csapások alatt és Alioth ettől sokkal többet, hagyjuk már ezt a bs-t komolyan. Most kezdenek el hazudozni, mikor ég a picsájuk alatt a föld, a hadi megmozdulásunk szinte minden mozzanatáról WO tudott.
Amúgy lehet Ernstnek igaza van, mert WO most nem volt elnök XD
Ez vicces. Az USA elnök nem tud semmiről semmit, miközben a hadügyminisztere meg COzott mellettünk. Tán csak nem az USÁban is valami egysékgormány volt, amelynek a tagjai azt nézték, hogyan szúrjanak ki egymással? Vagy csak egyszerűen jó a diplomáciájuk, és éles helyzetben kivárnak, egymást segítik/takarják ahelyett hogy egymást támadnák. Az amcsi HM benyalt a magyar KMnél, közben az elnök a másik oldalon, kivártáka végét és amikor látták nem bírjuk el/nems zállunk szembe az AS bosszúhadjárattal, gyorsan a másik oldalt választották.
A mi cicusunk meg olyan korlátolt, hogy semmit nem ért és ebből próbál meg belpolitikai tőkét kovácsolni (mint mindenből)
Mobra megoldotta a gordiuszi csomot. Ismet.
Ernst, és te még hiszel amerikaiaknak, WOnak, akik azt mutatják pártunkon állnak, majd hátbaszúrnak?
Nem kellene tippelni, ha bevonták volna a HM-et a külügybe, amit alioth nem tett meg.
Csakhogy a közeli napokat említsem: 1,5 napig inaktív elnökünk van. Kormány sincs, senki sincs aki még a megalázó szavazás előtt kiléptette volna eMagyarországot a Pacificaból.
Ahogy írtad, ez neked "just for fun!" https://prnt.sc/ialba3
Gyerekek! Mi lenne ha nem csinalnank azt amit RL is! Ha van egy elkepzelese es mar kipottyantunk akkor probalja megvalositani! Azert nem jut elore az orszag RL sem mert nincs osszefogas! Nezzetek meg az eszak Ireket! Ha nem fognak ossze a mai napig ropognanak a fegyverek! Kell ez? Most komolyan szerintetek ez viszi elore az orszagot? Ha nem jon ossze akkor meg oszinten, frocsoges es gyulolkodes nelkul leirhatod neki: Ugye megmondtam!!!!
Láthatólag nem lehet. Írok valamit, ami akár használható is lenne (lásd Fater kommentkét alább), de csak ez jön a megszokott arcoktól. Pedig akár meg is lehetne hallgatni, mit írnak a külföldiek, de nem.
There us no peace for the wicked.
Vetulet? a papa uzi?
szerintem meg az ő gyávaságuk
Így is értelmezhető.
Julius is just your friend not ours. Romanian agents are not friends of Hungary. You are responsible too for the current situation. You made Hungary proasteria and Poland just followed you. Now you are full antiasteria. You change your color too often. Not to mention that the hungarian foreign minister alioth didnt even asked for help in pacifica. Colombian president told me would AS anybody if hungrian representatives ask him. The US president told me he never ever talked with alioth in this term.
It is not true i m in ingame msg where are all mwmbers pacifika only loland and i think finland not, hun gov ask a lot pf time pls help us they just ihnore.
For you something it is time that you stick together not fight pr blame others from your country if you do that you will lose before even battle started.
You have friends now just reorganize your pwople and be ready for war.
From the HUN allied forces circular the USA was left out because we couldn't trust them. It would make no sense to ask them to help with an AS. Its the same if you would ask Poland.
nice article but here remains some facts: a lot of hungarians fight for Cro against USA. Moreover, you defend Greece and they fight back against Pacifica, you defend Turkey and they fight back against Pacifica, etc.
so you had no reason to be a Pacifica member, your role was only to move Pacifica as far as you can from Asteria, nothing more!
And Julius and Kheres part was to move as close as possible. Pls tell us more obvious things. Greece and Turkey stopped the fight against Pacifica long time ago. pacifica members assaulted them.
Greece helped Pacifica and had good relations with half of the Pacifica members.
and why do you blame the other half?!
they can say the same about you (exSyndicate/Hungary)
I don't blame them. This was an internal rift that we tried to reconcile but we couldn't.
Many times we asked for mpp set modification in order to follow the neutrality as foundation of pacifica originally, and based on propheet doctrine etc.
Many times we asked for discussing about plan - attack etc, especially after turk's attack, but nobody care.
Many times there were arguing in Pacifica, also Usa, Latvia, Mexico etc asked why has done the other side of Pacifica that.
Nothing happened, every single time it was throwen under the table.
But when the other side of Pacifica has done sg, wanted sg, it could be done without any conversation about it.
And finally shame on U usa, who attacked our supporter on time in need instead of waiting, or better helping for us.
Are you saying Pacifica recently had wars so Turkey and Greece could fight against them?
You are right! They did, two of them - Poland as an invader - to Turkey and USA as an invader - to Croatia. In the meanwhile, Iranian invasion on Mexico was completely forgotten.
Maybe if Pacifica was at least neutral like they were pretendning to be, Asteria wouldn't be in such a dominant position. Instead they used every chance to join Asteria's cause.
Poland + Finland + Russia wiped us for over 5 months and we attacked them back when we found the chance. Later on we solved our issues and we talked with many Pacifica countries.
Turkey signed MPP with Hungary, USA, Latvia and Mexico. So your argument is false.
Remember, back some years ago, when you started invading UK (following USA strategies) when i told you "your country is betraying its historical allies?" then you atacked Spain too, then you betrayed Macedonia... everything for following USA agenda.
Now you reap what you sow... you lost your allies, and your "so better allies" have sold your ass for their own safety because they dont like what you say, because that is what USA does ALWAYS. It is not about Pacifica, when did Pacifica talks meant anything? Dont you remember when USA ignored Russia and passed a vote as valid when it required full votes?
If you were smart, you'd offer a NAP extensible to Romania before they sign NAP with Greece and go for your throat, but you wont be smart, if you were none of this would have happened.
How dare you to tell the truth about Nalaja in public? KARD betrayed everybody and now they put the blame to anyvody else. Nalaja and his wife are responsible for the current situation.
kard kard kard kard kard kard kard kard kard kard kard kard kard kard kard kard kard kard kard kard kard kard kard kard
Beakadt a lemez bakker
When Hungary joined Pacifica, it was a pre-requisition (presented by the American SG WildOwl that time) that accept Greece over Macedonia and Bulgaria.
So what? Thats exactly what i just said, you accepted to follow USA agenda and when you stepped outside of it, they forsake you, but you had alredy doomed all the other relations.
Soros, Soros, ööö akarom mondani : Kard, Kard, Kard!
Spain wasn' our ally, of course we kicked your ass and again 😃
"Then came the move of the USA, an AS to… whom? an attacker of Hungary? No – to Croatia, who had MPP with Hungary."
You're looking at it wrong. Hungary was the only country in Pacifica with a Croatian MPP. USA/Pacifica did the natural thing by attacking a non-friendly country, instead you should ask why Hungary had a Croatian MPP even though nobody else in the alliance did or sanctioned it.
while Hungary is under attack, it would have been more suitable to choose a target hitting Hungary at that moment. Or apply Wild Owl's favourite 'do nothing' strategy
Oh pls stop it already. You insulted CoT long before Pacifica was created.
Errol ugattam, hogy ezzel fognak takarozni! A herem megnyalasa is cel lehetne ebben a jatekban 🙂
The Pacifica channel was full of trolling, nothing was discussed, there was no real communication, no intent to solve anything. Now all these things are written down once again in vain while we are in the process of kicking out without even informing us that they didn't trust we can leave on our own.
This is the result of 2 month alioth foreign affairs. Greece, Argentina and Chile will sighn NAPs with Asteria. Our so called allies will let Asteria to wipe us.
Argentina and Chile will sign it with the population disagree on it. half of the players disagree the nap. we're waiting for the nap to be public.... but here is blood. some players resigned from Andes and their own country for same reason, players who manage a country and an alliance where they do whatever they want and the people opinion is nothing.
that is not true, at least in the case of Argentina. the presidents of the main parties were consulted and all agreed.
the 3 candidates who presented themselves to the president agree with the Nap.
In Chile there were two candidates, one with each position, who won? I consider that a clear example of what the Chilean people want.
Dont worry Croatia will help and when we help Argentina and Chile will help to