Explanation to Hungary [Special edition from eSlovenia]
Vlada Republike Slovenije
Dear Hungary
This is official statement of Slovenian government towards Hungarian citizens regarding the dispute around Swiss region Deutschschweiz (in the article: DS).
Many of you are asking yourself: Why Slovenia won’t give DS to old allies like Hungary? Why so many fuss and problems around it? There are quite some reasons.
We would gladly give the region away if it was the Hungary who was in need for it, but it is not. Hungary already has the bridge to it’s regions in France and USA, Hungary does not need DS at all. It is Slovakia who wants to claim German regions and with them, aluminium. Hungarian government wants to assist them in this matter.
Our governments made a deal last month, that Slovenia won’t be giving DS away, Hungary then took German regions and apparently did not get them from Slovakia permanently, but only for a few weeks. Now, after few weeks, the negotiations reopened and we are talking about the same thing which was solved already a month ago.
You probably already know that we do not have good relations with Slovakia. The problem appeared few months ago when Slovakia deleted Austria from the map. Austria was always one of the best friends of Slovenia and we did our best to prevent this from happening through negotiations, Slovakia on the other hand did not care at all but declared NE. Slovenia naturally fought for Austria and it was at that time when we were accused of being traitors for fighting against a pro-ONE country (Slovakia) by Smrtan, which resulted in several RWs started by Slovaks in our Italian and Swiss regions, up till now (last one happened just last week). RWs are usually also supported by some of the Polish military groups. Because of this and because of their attitude, we find it really impossible to lose our Iron region because of Slovakian interests.
The second, maybe even more important reason is, that we did not get any suitable offer from Hungary that could replace our 20% wep bonus. Some of our tank companies already moved to other ONE countries with higher bonuses, if we lose these 20%, our wep economy will be ruined completely. Offering us food bonus as replacement is absurd, gold and tanks can’t save our weapon industry... Offers ranged from nearly acceptable ones that were usually rejected by one side the next day, to the ones where we felt absolutely insulted. Since negotiations are still running (but currently on null point), we can’t reveal these to public.
Third reason is the rejection of our membership from ONE. Every single government of Slovenia in the past tried to do all the necessary things so we could join the alliance, but we were constantly put on hold for whatever reason ONE leaders could make up at that time. At the same time we were sending and are still sending our troops to ONE battlefields daily while getting no support in return for example in RWs. It was this month when we were finally rejected. This is the reason the majority of Slovenian publicity started thinking about alternatives and public opinion turned against ONE drastically including the opinion of our government. That’s why we started some talks with former allies and ABC about possible new unions, but these were just talks, nothing more evolved from it. The real disappointment is, that we are being lied in the face from Hungarian government and ONE leaders. Here are some of the claims:
-Hungary did not know we want in ONE
-one of the reasons why ONE rejected us was, that we did not actually get invitation from them
-we can’t join ONE because we are a weak country and they would have to save us from the enemy (while our only enemy on borders is surrounded by two of ONE superpowers and the alliance owns the whole world...)
-we were said 1 month ago that we must wait for 5th July and ONE will tell us on that day whether we are accepted or not. Time passed, 5th July passed by with no answer. On the day of the rejection ( a week later), we were told that the thing with 5th July is not true and that our government talked to fake ONE representatives. How many more blatant lies can we handle?
These are all lies and we can’t even believe this is happening right now.. this is a comedy. It’s like someone thinks we are complete idiots and we will believe everything just because we are small and unimportant. Sorry, won’t go.
The fact is, that Slovenia got invitation in ONE from Serbia, on Hungarian suggestion (as we were told), already in the times when ONE was not even an alliance, when it was only forming on the basis of 4 superpowers... and then the offer was repeated soon after it’s official creation. Technically speaking, we should be entering in the first wave. And here we are, after months and months of waiting, we were rejected and the very country that initially suggested us as a member now claims that they did not even know we want in ONE... what should we think about such incompetency?
Fourth reason. Other known Slovenians made a pressure on me (president). They told me that someone from Hungarian government contacted them and told them that we are harsh negotiators and that we won’t give DS region if we don’t get something of equal importance back. I don’t know what’s the point of contacting someone who might not even be active or if he/she doesn’t follow the events. It’s immoral that person like that would judge, it needs to be debated between the governments. As usually, enforcing through all the avalible channels.
Fifth reason. Few days ago, when we lost Trentino-South Tirol due to RW, we were accused by Hungarian government of betrayal, that we intentionally lost that RW and that we are cooperation with Croatia and Romania. All of this because Italy made a NE proposal against Hungary. Of course we explained all of that and the matter was solved. Truth? We spent a few tens of thousands SIT on tanks for local and foreign troops, but after loosing the initial battles and seeing EDEN fully devoted in RW, we decided it will be much cheaper to declare NE the next day. Our army orders were top priority fight for Slovenia. RW in Veneto next day was won by us only because we spent around 200.000 SIT on tanks for Slovenians and foreign troops.
You can be angry on us to, it goes both ways. There was some confusion because of Howly’s articles in which Hungarians saw “mudslinging” of their country. Howly only made some criticism as his personal opinion. Hungarians of course understood that as viewpoint of our country, since Howly is (was) Slovenian MoFa. Let me point it out, those were personal viewpoints and not at all viewpoints of our government. Howly also wrote an article about Germany and published it in government newspaper which again stated only his opinions. Article was deleted soon after because of these reasons. Because of that I (FRLA) decided that Howly must leave ministry of foreign affairs, but not leave the goverment. I wanted that he would become information minister instead (so he could write viewpoints from government), but he did not want that, so we agreed that he resigns completely.
Let’s say this is as short as possible explanation to Hungarian citizens about our behaviour in the last few weeks. We want to let you know that Hungary is still seen as one of our greatest allies, but some of the actions from your government and ONE leadership makes us think that you don’t really think the same about us.
We sacrificed our nationally most important region, Prekmurje, so Serbia, and with them ONE itself could buy peace with Croatia while they could freely invade USA and now Asia. We have some level of safety with that contract thanks to Serbia.
Now we are on the edge of losing another important region and this is extremely hard to accept, because it is not for our benefits or benefits of a true ally, it’s for benefits of a hostile country. Hungary will have to decide whether it’s more important that Slovenia has it’s bonuses or 4 times smaller country gains them. On the end it really only comes to this important fact.
Sincerely,
FRLA, President
cen1, Ministry of Defense
System_Shutdown, Ministry of Foreign Affairs
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vote, freakin' hungarian imperialist haters
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I am happy that this is explained in nice way and with no harsh words toward Hungary. And I hope our friendship with Hungary will last long.
And I hope with Howly departure things will calm down.
FRLA: you mentioned some lies in this article. Could you tell me who said them?
You claim that Slovakia is more important to us than Slovenia. But the situation isnt so simple. We dont want to loose any ally, so we are trying to find a good solution and the best thing we can do is an agreement with you. Sadly we can't compensate Slovakians, but we can give you another bonus region and we could support your foreign interests, or we offered you to make fun, too 🙂
As for the ONE membership, you must understand that it doesnt depend on us. The best we can do is voting on "yes", but we cant force Poland or Spain or anybody else to vote on "yes". Unfortunately publishing personal opinion in official bulletin (mostly promising help against 1 or 2 ONE countries in RWs) isnt too advantageous if you want to be in ONE.
And yes, i spoke with some well-known Slovenian players, but not about our negotations, but about Howly's articles. I asked them to speak with Howly. Therefore i try to ascertain what i could offer you in exchange for DS.
you guys have balls o7
i like it 😃🙂
FRLA o/
@Doggett
Lies like that, that we didnt get official invitation to ONE, etc.
Some representatives from the leadership of ONE said them.
We want the best solution too. For all.
@Ghostbiker
o7 hola amigo 🙂
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i will translate it to Hungarian later, also FRLA doggett is a ****
dobr članek 🙂
If my memory serves me well, when ONE was forming, there were (are) four core countries: Serbia, Hungary, Poland and Spain. Each had an invitation for one additional country that would join ONE, when it was formed. Poland picked Sweden, Serbia picked Macedonia, Hungary supposedly picked Slovenia and Spain supposedly picked Italy. We know how the story with Italy went (they pacted with Croatia against us and Macedonia, so naturally they weren't considered to be members anymore). Now to hear from Hungary that they didn't even know us to be an applicant is absurd. I may have a leaky memory and I'll let someone that was in a governing position at the time ONE was forming correct me, but that is what is written in our forum archives as well, so either we were lied to from the beginning, or we are lied to now.
Every hungarian respect the great slovenian people you are one of the bravest country in erep, few but good soldiers
hihi, traitors gonna trait.
interesting that you are saying the MoFA-article in Germany was only Howlys opinion, wasnt it you who signed it in the first comment? 🙂
@Freiheitskaempfer
The first comment was from me. Our people are friends with germans. We cant deny this. But its not opinion from the state that we will fight against Sweden and Poland.
o7
Mi akkor az igazság ezzel a ONE felvételi elutasítással kapcsolatban? Jó lenne, ha valaki kompetens nyilatkozna erről, mert már máshol is olvastam ezt egyszer.
o7
nem tudok szlovénül, nem értem...
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This is quite fair, with the only exception of Howly's article.
You can't blame it on him alone. He was a representative of Slovenia.
If you wish to take Hungary's supposed lies about your invitation into the debate, you must not exclude Howly's article, otherwise your point would be unfair and treated as such.
I hope our countries can come to a mutual agreement anyway.
Respect for trying.
@DivineLar😛 Howly was relieved of his MoFA duties because of that article, I believe that pretty much covers your point for us taking the responsibility. I'd personally file an impeach of FRLA as well, but he would be succeeded with Howly so that's about all we can officially do regarding that unfortunate article.
tl; dr : )
@DivineLard
Ofc he was representative from ou country, but he writes something that it is not true.
valaki egy mondatban osszefoglalna? :😁
ez olyan hosszu, hogy kinone a szakallam mire elolvasnam...
Slovenia + Hungary = friends 4ever! vote
Malo ljudi, puno mudi!!! :😁
Slovenia o/
Well the personal consequences of that article is an internal affair of yours, the harm was done irregardless. We, average citizens, who don't know you well, can't decide which one of you is lying and when. I don't know, maybe you are lying now? Or not? I can't tell. But it's OK, this is one of the reasons why there are MoFAs at all, to communicate officially.
To tell you an example, when a shop assistant punches me in the face just for fun, I will not be happy by knowing that he would be fired. I would need compensation. And the law allows me to get some. This is how the world works. Forcing decision makers to make the best decisions (choosing a good shop assistant, or MoFA).
But I'm not saying that that article was worth of DS, this is something I can't decide and am not entitled to declare anyway.
You can hardly compare bad diplomacy with physical violence. In real life, if someone punches you in the face, you can go to court and if you win, you get compensation. There is also option of suing someone because of slandering, but you have to prove it first and prove that you suffered damage measurable in (for instance) currency which you get as a form of compensation. Obviously in RL politics I do not know a case where an official position resulted in compensation for the offended country, there can only be a degradation in relations to the offending country (if severe enough, the result may be war, which of course is an option for Hungary, if their leaders feel our article offended them enough and our actions regarding them weren't sufficient, it's your choice). I believe the purpose of this article is to define (and/or clear up) the relations between Slovenia and Hungary (and ONE for that matter), so all sides get a clear image on where we stand.
lying, lying, accusations, blah boring
geez learn some diplomacy guys and solve it in private
Ma ja podrzavam bracu Slovence! Sta god da uradite, zasluzili ste podrsku!
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StiH, do you think that it is morally OK to solve this problem (I mean the article) as an internal affair of Slovenia? Because in that case this is a barren debate between us. My moral standards are different to yours. (I have no problem with that, you are a politician).
Good day!
Röviden: A szlovének szeretnek minket, de kapjuk be.
Bővebben: Kapjuk be és nem is szeretnek minket.
Ez vicc....
if u dont give us we can take it......
simon: Hungary and slovenia have never been friends,we helped u a lotand now, first we asked something u did not do anything...
u r on the way to got deleted.....
Food bonus is more impprtant then weapon bonus. the weapon bonus only helps the army, while the food bonus helps everybody as all players have food raw and manufacturing companies. even for the newest player it would give 4 extra hits.
Kezd tele lenni a tököm.
@DivineLar😛 this article was published because obviously we can't come to an agreement and there needs to be some clearing up done. Especially regarding all the excuses we're getting about our joining of ONE and the alliance's position towards us. And moreso with some comments like one from torres1992 above.
As for me being a politician, you're mistaken. I haven't been involved in eRepublic politics for over two years now and most likely I never will again. I'm a concerned citizen with a considerable background in PEACE GC and Phoenix.
@torres1992: make this Hungarian official position, attack and delete us. At least we'll know where we stand with you and don't need to listen to two-faced politicians telling us something and doing something else.
@Zoli: we have a government program that hands out food to all citizens so anyone active can fight as many times as possible. The difference is in 20% tanks we can give those citizens and them fighting with or without weapons is a 100% difference in damage. Look at the stats: we're No. 30 country in population size and No. 14 in amount of daily damage. It's a result of our active population fighting as many times as possible. 4 more hits won't increase our overall damage, but it will decrease with less Q5 tanks to fight with.
@torres1992 : O What are you talking about? Do you play the same game erepublik as I do? I and not only I but we Slovenias fought hard to defend Hello Kitty, Central Hungary... ! I even spent all my money to defend Heilongjiang and not only me but a lot of Slovenians! We also helped you as well!! Majority of Slovenians and Hungarians were, are, and will be friends!
Dear eSlovenians: No bonus, and no territory may better, than -20% nad +20%?
We don't want MPP with you, and you defend yourself alone against eCroatia. Good job, good luck!
@Borembukkk
Strong words, but ONE wan't last for ever. Who will defend Hungary then, or who defented your borders, when there was no ONE. War is always an option, but do not underestimate our power, it my cost you more than you think.
Torres és Borembukkk:
Ebben a játékban a fenyegetőzés elég ritkán oldott meg bármit is viszont annál többször okozott kárt mindkét félnek.
A szlovének nem japánok hogy beijedjenek egy támadási fenyegetésnek.
És én pl kurvára nem szeretnék velük háborúzni egy rohadt régió miatt.
Elhiszem hogy kemény dolog a diplomácia de azért egy vicc hogy 1 hónapja nem tudunk megoldani egy ilyen problémát.
Ha ezen múlik hát vegyük fel őket is a ONE-ba. Ha már a svédek jöhettek ők is vannak olyan erősek. Meglesz a mindenki által hozható egy ország is és meglesz a mi hidunk is.
It makes me sad that some Hungary players think that way about us. I thought when we helped eachother that we were friends but sadly its not it case. Maybe when we helped defending Hello Kitty or Central Hungary we were friends but now that Hungary needs something from us, friendship ends.
I realy hope this is oppinion of only few players.
Mi hoztuk volna őket a ONE-ba, most meg elutasítjuk a jelentkezést? Hogy is van ez? Mi itt az igazság?
A kérdésben a kormányunk lapít, a külügy kuka. Ez már akár ok is lehetne, hogy a szlovéneknek higgyek, hisz a mieinktől még annyi sem telik, hogy reagáljanak.
Nem tudom, lehet, hogy félre érthető voltam. Én nem fenyegettem meg a szlovéneket, csak azt akartam kijelenteni, hogy a nulla százalék bónusz és a nulla terület szerintem sokkal rosszabb, mint ha elvesztenének 20%-ot és nyernének 20%-ot.
Ha embernek érzik magukat, nem kell megkötni az ONE MPP-ket, cimbizzenek az egy régiós németekkel és hamarosan kapnak izgalmat. A Horvátok majd eltakarítják őket és akkor nem lesz miről tárgyalni.
Ők védtek meg minket? Akkor talán azért töröltek el a románok.. Én nagyon csíptem őket, elég sokat harcoltam a védelmükben, cikkeket írtam róluk, de nem nagyon tudom őket barátként kezelni. Az tény hogy a perun/szlovákok is tudnak eszetlenek lenni, de őket láttam az oldalunkon harcolni, magyar-szlovén viszonylatban viszont arra emlékszem, mikor a fél ország és a sereg az ő olasz hadjáratukban harcolt, pedig lett volna dolgunk a saját románok elleni csatáinkban. A szerbek birkóztak a horvátokkal, mi a románokkal, szegény szlovénok meg közben halálra unták magukat. Na elmentek ti a jó büdös francba.. Meg a napi 2400 tankos ajánlatotokat is meg fogjátok kapni.
hungarian greed is endless!
We are being hypocrits, high five.
Sorry for Torres's and Boremvukkk's opinion.
I am telling, like Hun ex-MoFA and old player, that eSlovenia is a very good ally for us. A most of our population know that, but we have some "hot-brained" player, but u have too, as we see ; )