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Someone asked a similar question to #1 on IRC last night during the debate on eNPR. It was never asked. humpf...

Angelini is wrong about one point in question #2. "But what happens within congress is out of the purview of the President." Except for the super secret "Congress Members Only" board, the POTUS has full access to both the public and private Congress boards. The President is capable of expressing opinions, desires and requests on both boards. The only thing that would be considered out of line would be a demand.

Thedillpickl is correct.

The President not only has access but is encouraged to participate and express the views of the executive for Congress to consider. That hasn't happened much since the terms of Harrison Richardson, St Krems and Emerick but the door is always open.

I'm broke. My from now on my vote is for sale. PM me if you want it. Pay me 1/2 before + moving costs then 1/2 after. I'll email you an image of my voting for you.

holy crap, stanley, you've written some damn fine articles lately.

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"only have as much authority as those who have the power to make the decisions give them"

Evry: EC head & CBO director & Congressman (at the time of the tax hikes)
Kemal Ergenekon: EC member & Secretary of Treasury
Gnilraps: EC member & Vice President & Cogressman
Eli Crownover & Congress 'Whip' & Congressman
Leroy Combs: Ec member & Congressman
xDavidx: EC member & Congressman

"Independent" much?

Good looking paper

This was a good article Stanley.

Terrbl elitists everywhere.

Sorry to see not one of the candidates stepped to the plate on the issue of the EC.

The notion that an "advisory board" can have members on it that are also members of the group it is advising is just patently absurd.

No members of Congress or the Administration should be serving on a board that gives it advice. That's ridiculous, it defies logic.

"Terrbl elitists everywhere."

This lame rolling joke merely covers the fact that you actually are deluded 'elitist', who - for some weird reason - believe you had some God-given right to tell others how they should play this game. And, accidentally, what you tell them is to fund your personal progress and/or to stfu.

So imagine, now you have some TERRBL POPULISTS here ...

😁😁^ Look! It's Pizza The Hut clone!

😁😁 Look, troll cannot into argument and is restrained to name calling!

GogetaDBZ: Please do not throw around accusations like that. It isn't funny.

So you can into argument SHM? I asked you a question and it didn't got answered.
Ergo, you can't into argument! Your only argument was calling me a troll. Bravo!

I'm sure you're what Archfeldspar called, a "deep mole", a wolf in a sheep's clothing fighting for "justice". I didn't see any of your propositions, either in articles or comments, only trolling and "terrbl elitsm bad"...

😁😁^ Troll ignored.

There aren't enough competent people in the game to have advisers only. Most people have a few roles.

The EC is made up of people who know the economic side of the game. It is absurd that they would have to pick between debating economics and serving in Congress.

Yeah, "Troll ignored" is a great argument. Bravo again!

"There aren't enough competent people in the game to have advisers only. Most people have a few roles."

That's about the most pompous thing I've read yet. 8,000 US citizens and a handful of you believe you're the only ones "competent" ?!?!

I've always thought the name calling here like elitist, racist, troll was just the normal insipid childish internet nonsense. I'm beginning to see though that there probably really is something to this elitist tag.

I'm sure that was a sincere statement on you part Vanek. I'm sure you really do believe you are one of the chosen few.

I sure don't see a whole lot of competency going on though. You've got a failed tax plan and the US is getting it's ass kicked...again.

"The EC is made up of people who know the economic side of the game."

These people have implemented a tax regime that is based on an obvious lack of knowledge of game mechanics. Had they not fabricated their delusional theories in a private forum and had they opened a public debate about it BEFORE pushing it through the Congress, obvious flaws could have been pointed out in time.

"It is absurd that they would have to pick between debating economics and serving in Congress."

It is absurd to take debate over economics to an unelected and uncontrollable group and trust them like they were infallible. It is even more absurd to demand everyone to share that trust and stfu when what they actually come up with utter rubbish.

Uncontrollable? You must have difficult reading because it's already been stated many times that EC has no control over Congress nor do the make any laws. They advise Congress, it is up to those in Congress on what they agree with. Guess what, a lot of Congress believes they are right and you are wrong. Learn to accept that and stop trying to act like Pizza the Hut.

Here's what's absur😛 SHM glossing over the glaringly obvious fact that at the end of the day, only elected Congress members have access to vote YES or NO when proposals are put up in game. AND their votes are kept anonymous by mechanics of the game. Very few Congress members actually participate in forum debate. I'd say the public is at fault for election day apathy and voting party lines over merit.

You can spend hours per day on irc talking with allies if you want.

SHM enjoys torturing people who are trying to do thankless jobs.

Let me correct myself: It was thankless. Now you deserve insults and slander from SHM and his buddies for doing your job.

Oh, yes SHM, now you will jump at me and say that what we do hurts the country more than it helps. Then I will ask you, if you know better, why aren't you in the EC? You obviously have some credentials to be there.

Do you want the truth? Morrigan had given me your name before the last CP elections. I had a look at your articles and decided "this man is good". I was planning to offer you the position vice SecTreas, and hopefully leave you in the actual position next term. RL got in the way. Was it good chance or bad? Hell if I know...

I lol'd at the comments. : 3

So... Let me get this straight:

EC is not responsible for it's suggestions, as they are a "Take it or leave it" deal;

Congress is not responsible for acting upon said suggestions. It's the EC's job to be ekonomixorz, not Congress - so, unanimous voting all around;

So... who should be praised and/or boo-ed in general - Congress, EC, both, Kemal, the Easter Bunny?

Reading comprehension is not your strong suit, is it pure_evil?

I thought being mad was my job. Fuiuuuuuuuuuuiuu

I take that as "Congress, all the way - and disregard any and all Congressmen who try to hide behind EC's expertise on the subject".

Try reading slowly pure_evil instead of swallowing the kool-aid that SHM spoon feeds you. I will write it out with sentences for you again:

EC gives advice to Congress.
Congress reads advice.
Congress decides if advice is good or not.
Each active Congressman debates whether it is a good or bad tax structure. (Sorry, long sentence)
Active Congress votes YES or NO on new taxes if proposed.
Majority wins.

@Belizaire Boudreaux
That's about the most pompous thing I've read yet. 8,000 US citizens and a handful of you believe you're the only ones "competent" ?!?!

As far as competent goes you need to take into account activity levels. Playing the game for 15 minutes a day does not make someone competent at it. Hell, even spending a few hours on this 'game' doesn't make it anymore. Especially at higher levels of Executive and Military/Militia leadership. Where people have to be on for the better part of the day. Try being a Quarter Master once... you'll find out how 'competent' someone is quickly.

The vast majority of players are either two clickers or multi's. Very few people are someone I'd consider to be active, let along extremely active. In my opinion there are roughly 1,000 daily actives, probably being generous tbh.

Many people that are extremely active simply do not want to do more then they already are doing. They don't want to put that much time and requirement into a game. Add to that the many people who have burnt themselves out and even though they are still very active they have no desire to do a major job again. So you can subtract those from the pool of active players as well. Simply doesn't leave that many 'active' players that are trusted. By that I mean this, PtH is extremely active. His recruitment tactics for all his previous parties show he's competent. But.... He's also let in enemies of the state when he was in Congress in order to further his own personal goals, be damned to what it did to the eUSA. He attempted to take over eSA and eAustralia under different accounts that have since been banned, as well as whatever he tried to do in eMont recently. The trust level simply isn't there.

Does that mean there aren't other very good and capable people out there? Of course not. Every day there are new people joining the game, people that didn't have time previously but now do. There are always jobs to be found, things to do. Every party has needs and holes, every Exec needs people.. be it as an intern or as an Ambassador. Nobody is Plato given to be something high and mighty. Everyone worked to get where they are.

My advice to everyone bitching... get off the sidelines and get active to make whatever changes you want done a reality. But instead of complaining from the sidelines do something constructive about it and get involved!

Perhaps I've missed it but I'd even love to see the pariah known as SHM give a detailed tax opinion as to what exactly he'd do if given the opportunity. Why not detail it out? Show everyone what all you believe would work to fix the current problems. Funding the military? Funding new citizens with MoW and B4N?

So if you want to blame someone, blame all of Congress. Feel free to blame us for trying to maximize efficient damage and reward active players who go the extra step to join MUs and actively fight for us. We play to win the game, which means maximizing damage for our country and our allies, not maximize individual gains.

Speedcat for POTUS!

Hey. Hey. Congressmen. Congresshermaphodites and Congressmen that pretend to be women. Let's get along here, eh?

Also the EC will never be able to control gold flow. It just doesn't work that way, never will. The fact that the gold-per-USD price can only have 4 decimal points ensures that gold will remain below 1000 forever for obvious reasons.

"So if you want to blame someone, blame all of Congress."
Can do.

"Feel free to blame us for trying to maximize efficient damage"
operative wor😛 "trying".

No. That would mean funding only hard hitters, not every Tom, Dick, and, sadly, Harry, in a commune.

"reward active players who go the extra step to join MUs and actively fight for us"
I'm in a MU and actively fight for us. I don't feel quite rewarded by 25% Income tax.

"We play to win the game"
This game has no victory condition. Try harder.

"which means maximizing damage for our country and our allies"
Yes. And, last I checked, ALL of the US population does damage.

Gnilraps did a good job explaining how low VAT equals lower prices. Still, 0.5 a tank per day less thanks to the maxing out on the income tax. Debunked? Rebunked.

On the other end of the spectrum, bot pays VAT, not income tax. Just saying...

Oh, and, 166 THOUSAND (at Q1 food = 0.60) no-clicks on the Fight button per 500k USD in "reserve" is a good way to increase damage.

"not maximize individual gains"
QFT. Not maximize any gains, but meh.

^I typed veeery slowly, just for you.

"No. That would mean funding only hard hitters, not every Tom, Dick, and, sadly, Harry, in a commune."

No, we fund all active fighters that join MUs that sign up for OMS or are part of the Armed Forces. A good chunk goes to the heavy hitters to maximize damage, but funding also goes to the newer players too since they are growing and will be our future. To be supplied, yes, you have to be in a commune and follow orders that comes down from the POTUS.


"I'm in a MU and actively fight for us. I don't feel quite rewarded by 25% Income tax."

Try joining the Armed Forces, a Militia, or the old US Military.


"This game has no victory condition. Try harder."

You are full of derp.


"Yes. And, last I checked, ALL of the US population does damage."

They all do damage, yes, but not always where we ask for it. Funding the Armed Forces and Militias who sign for OMS means damage will go to the right targets. Fighting randomly doesn't help us or our allies.


"Gnilraps did a good job explaining how low VAT equals lower prices. Still, 0.5 a tank per day less thanks to the maxing out on the income tax. Debunked? Rebunked."

It's called supply and demand. If you haven't checked recently, we are currently being invaded. So supply and demand isn't optimal. We lost resources, so our supply decreases. We are fighting a major war, so demand goes up. That means prices should shoot up. Since prices haven't shot up like crazy, it means the tax plan is working. Try again.

So stop being a tool and drinking kool-aid. How about you do something about it instead of whining with false information? Join the forums, join the party, sign up for an Exec position, get on IRC.

Instead of just typing slowly, try understanding this game and get involved instead of being a little whiny crybaby.

Dang, I thought I wrote a lot of long ass boring comments that nobody every read! Mine are a feeble attempt compared to some of these.

And yes, Speedy for POTUS x2. I would get back into politics to help him if he ran.

I'll type that even SLOWLY:

"funding also goes to the newer players too since they are growing and will be our future"
Let's compare personal growth, shall we? For simplicity: Q4 RM = 8500 USD (with land), net salary 100 USD, daily production sales from said RM 100 USD.
85 days of no salary = 1Q4 less.
42 days later - another. (8500 / 200)
28 days - third, 21 - fourth, 17 - fifth.

A newbie's presence in a commune is harmful both to his growth, and, to the country, as he both needs to be supplied - he's a strain on the treasury which means higher taxes for the population, and, his supply must be buffered against lower tax revenues (see: 166 THOUSAND no-fights)

"Try joining the Armed Forces, a Militia, or the old US Military" and then, I too, can be a burden on the budget? I'll think about it.

"You are full of derp." I also herp when I come across statements of pure propaganda value, like "winning this game".

"Fighting randomly doesn't help us or our allies."
MU-ers follow the daily orders for 'zookas and candy. At no cost to the budget, you can politely ask their leadership to set orders in accordance with PotUS messages, or, simply to go for DoD orders like my MU.

They also fight armed, to stash the bazookas.

Talk with MU leaders is cheap, unlike OMS funding. Try it - nothing to loose there.

[You completely missing the point]
I'll type that as slow as humanly possible:

1.)You take about 15 USD daily MORE away from me as income tax.
2.)That's half a tank daily.
3.)Regardless of VAT, regions, or, secret alien bases on Mars, I'll ALWAYS have less tanks with 25% tax than with 10%. At lower prices, I'll have even less tanks(!)
4.)???
5.)Profit

"stop being a tool",
[rainy sunday] "Reading comprehension is not your strong suit, is it pure_evil?"

"[...]the debate basically broke down and Congress waited for the Economic Council to recommend a tax change. After the recommendation, debate did not resume." -- Heero Blaze, a Congressman then, and now. One of 3 to vote against 25% Income tax.

So... who made the decision on taxes, then? And who's the tool? And WHOSE tool were you on that faithful unanimous vote, Kell?

@Thedill

I feel your pain, buddy. Not enough exclamation points!

"Feel free to blame us for trying to maximize efficient damage and reward active players"

No, we blame you for failing to do so.