ESA - Questions Answered
Kiemar
I am writing this article for many of the newer citizens that have asked for more information on the ESA. As I've stated before there is a public thread on the forum that is used for discussing the ESA as well as an ESA forum for gathering information, but I will take every step I can to make sure people understand exactly what it is and how we became a member. This is an official statement from the Ministry of Foreign Affairs in regard to the ESA.
The ESA stands for the European Social Alliance which consists of Belgium, the Czech Republic, France, the Germany-Austria Union, The Netherlands, Portugal, and yes Ireland. It is currently being debated in Italy, Poland, the UK, and other European countries. It has its own forum at http://esa.phpbbhosts.co.uk/index.php. All nations have representation on the Council of Europe by the president and one representative.
The alliance is focused on socially aligning the member nations, meaning fostering cooperation and good relations throughout Europe. PEACE and Atlantis members are allowed to join without abandoning their alliance in an effort to encourage relations outside of the two major alliances. Other than encouraging friendly relations, there have also been ideas such as cooperation to prevent political take overs, a centralized bank of Europe to facilitate easy conversion and trade between nations, organized loans systems between governments, and facilitated charity. The possibilities are endless as to what economic and social benefits this alliance can offer to member nations.
One thing the alliance has not focused on is becoming a third military alliance, similar to PEACE and Atlantis. The ESA has no military obligation, the Council of Europe can ask for member nations to repel wars of imperialism but the member countries are not required by penalty to answer. There is also no penalty for leaving the alliance as of now.
As for Ireland's stance on the ESA, former Minister of Foreign Affairs, Michael Collins, on February 26th of this year first began discussion in the Private Dail. There was also a public discussion of the ESA in the Politics section of the forum beginning Feb 10th. Many good points were raised in the Private Forum as discussion went on for most of the month. An unofficial vote resulted in 12-5 in favor of the ESA treaty. Most of the issues raised from the opposition centered around worry about Ireland being involved in entangling military obligations.
Discussion died down by Presidential election time, and in Theus Jackus' manifesto he expressed his desire for Ireland to become an ESA member. As me and Theus saw eye to eye on this, I sought membership as his Minister of Foreign Affairs. I explained in my appeal to Congress in the Private Dail that the ESA has not been fully fleshed out yet, but that Ireland should be a part of the construction. We should not fear what the ESA might become after we join, but instead actively try to fight for it to become what it should be. Any fundamental change to how the military aspect of the alliance works warrants a revaluation of our membership. I explained that neither I, nor Theus, nor any other Congressman I can think of want Ireland to lose its military neutrality, but neither do we want to isolate ourselves from the rest of Europe.
Just as the Raleigh Treaty, and every other international move is made, a vote was placed on the Private Dail which passed 11-0. 44% of Congress voted (11/25), which is a legal vote under the ruling of the Mandatory Congressional Voting Act 2008 which requires at least 25% of Congress to vote. As a result, Ireland joined the ESA on their forum and we now have representation of the Council of Europe. Three days after the passing of the ESA vote, with no issue, Igor Thunderbrow has decided to call this action undemocratic on my part and demand a referendum.
I won't bring up the referendum argument again, but I will say that I am not opposed to a public referendum. I do however believe the original vote was legal and proper and there has never been a precedent in eIrish history for a public referendum. I believe that a referendum will simply be an enormous amount of red tape and time in order to achieve a similar result. However, I will not oppose the voice of the public if they demand a referendum and I want that known.
If you have any questions at all, I urge you to check the forum threads or to pm me. Suggestions for the ESA are great, and you can send them to me or post them yourself on the ESA forum. We as a nation are in a position to be a cornerstone contributor to something truly great and a step away from the polarization of global alliances. I hope all citizens will help me and Theus in forging the ESA into an everlasting bond of cooperation between all European nations.
Erin go Bragh
Kiemar
Minister of Foreign Affairs
Comments
Well done for bringing some information to the table. Would be better to see a factual rather than opinionated article to let the public get some unbiased information however but it is a step in the right direction.
What Kiemar fails to mention is that our constitution, which was ratified and supported almost unaminously by Dáil Éireann (though not endorsed or reinforced by the admins) invalidates this.
http://wiki.erepublik.com/index.php/Constitution_of_Ireland
Article 45 clearly states the following: "The Taoiseach, with the agreement of a majority (51% or greater) of Dáil Éireann, shall have the power to ratify international agreements, treaties, and contracts. "
Our congress currently has 25 members. 11 members is less than 51%. Joining the ESA is clearly an international agreement.
The only way democracy will be respected is by showing this government that we care. Fill in the following form and sign a petition to push for a referendum:
http://spreadsheets.google.com/viewform?hl=en&formkey=cG9vbHBLTEJhMWh5bExkUFBCSmpJWFE6MA..
Ah dman you,I was just about to write an information article about the ESA.
I will do it anyway sure..
Nice article.
Igor,we can't force congressmen who aren't bothered in taking part to vote.
What else can we do about that?
It should be 25 voices but it isn't.
But it is 11.
11 to zero,nobody voted in opposition against it.
There is nothing in the constitution about starting a referendum as far as I know..
So,I dont see why we need a referendum,when its clear which way the result will go and the fact that it will add more red tape onto already a month of disussion and delays.
Why must you oppose something when nobody else voted against it?
Even if a months old constitution states it is invalid,yet a newer act allows this vote to be valid?
"What else can we do about it?".... 10 letter word beginning in "R" and ending in "m"
and please post a factual article to let the people know exactly what the story is with the ESA. I am confident that there will be a referendum soon and the people need to be informed.
Igor..
Elected officials are elected to do their job.
Those that actually care about doing something have done their job and voted for joining the ESA.
If the others actually bothered to do their duty they most likely would of voted for the ESA to go through also.
We should not have to dwell on a lengthy and not needed referendum because some lazy congressmen aren't doing their job.
The ESA is still in development stage,and if we want the ESA to work best for us,we should get involved fully now to ensure we have our say in it's development and not spend more time waiting for people to parrot our decision.
It's hardly even an alliance yet,its still a concept,with few prepared rules or guidlines,and no ready treaty yet.
Why have a referendum on whether or not we should join a concept when we can go through with what our elected officials have decided like we have in every other situation before and forge the concept into an alliance we really want it to be like?
And please,don't mis-quote me in the future..
Apologies, I misread... but does "that" for "it" make any actual difference?
Well replace it the way it should in my comment, it was a typo, makes no difference to what I am saying...
In relation to your point.It likely would be passed, it likely will be passed if a referendum is held. I hope it is, that however is not the issue.
The issue is that it was undemocratic. It sets a very very dangerous precedent. The people should be involved and it should not have required such commotion to be raised before the government put out such information on the subject. Some people indicated in past articles that they opposed joining and their voices should have been heard.
I have pointed this out and explained my position on numerous different media to date and will not argue the point further. If you are interested look at my newspaper articles or the forum discussion. There is little left to say. If you have a specific question just send me a message or ask it here or anywhere else but most points have been argued to death at this point, no need to recycle them endlessly Top Gun.
"Some people indicated in past articles that they opposed joining and their voices should have been heard."
Examples?
Even a couple isn't enough to warrant a referendum.
There wasnt even a referendum when Ireland founded the Northern Alliance?
"no need to recycle them endlessly Top Gun."
You mean like recycling a months old constitution to warrant a referendum when your undemocratic argument started to lose its effect?
But meh,why bother continuing,you usually abstain from controversial discussions that may hurt your image.
Don't bother reading that website as the ESA is a black check. It's one open commitment to the next, which can only cause harm to Eire both internationally and domestically. Internationally in the way other nations may view are duties within the alliance, causing harm.
Domestically since so few approve the treaty, ban accounts in the elections, and with very little input from the nation. Especially since most of our citizens want a very neutral country with strong global ties beyond and including Europe.
"Especially since most of our citizens want a very neutral country with strong global ties beyond and including Europe."
Surely the ESA,been a non military alliance with European countries in it helps this aim?
"It's one open commitment to the next, which can only cause harm to Eire both internationally and domestically."
Promoting economic aid and assistance,stopping political takeovers and creating a unified Europe are harmful now?
What commitments are there to cause harm to Ireland?
"Promoting economic aid and assistance,stopping political takeovers and creating a unified Europe are harmful now?"
I doubt that any of these aims will be meet
Didn't PEACE say the same thing. Didn't Atlantis say the same thing.
How can a unified Europe not affect Eire long standing ability to remain neutral? Especially since we are agreeing to follow what the ESA agrees on.
We agree to follow the ESA in economic matters,military is not enforced.
If it is attempted to be enforced we can leave.
Top Gun: So you say. Just because the door is open right now doesn't mean it will stay open when you want to leave.
Have a peek at this:
http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/introducing-imperialism-painting-the-world-british-red--757127/1/20
Why do you bring up Northern Alliance? Who here was actually playing when that was brought up?
and I think my image, though obviously majestic, is not exactly great at the moment. I have taken many hits for speaking my mind and standing up for what I believe in.
A referendum is not about numbers. I support joining the ESA, I want us to but it is not up to me. It is not up to you and it should not be up to just 11 people. It should be the mutual decision of the eIrish people.
@Mac: That is scary stuff... I notice that the trade agreement with us was attacked. Let's hope they get nowhere.
hmm this is interesting. I for one haven't read the constitution in ages, but since it says 51% or more need to vote yes in favor of such an agreement I see the last vote as being void. Now, if there was a way for us to determine which members of congress are inactive maybe we can revote with a "new" number of congress. Just a thought, I for one am for the ESA, but I want to do it democratically which would be following the voting procedures laid down by the eIreland Constitution.
"@Mac: That is scary stuff... I notice that the trade agreement with us was attacked. Let's hope they get nowhere."
It gets scarier. There is a new post on the forum, now, from an individual praising the BNP and encouraging people to join.
silly british... 😛
Interestingly enough, the author of the BNP article has our own, recently returned, patton, on his friend list.
I get random friend requests from people I don't know all the time, I don't think that means anything.
@Mac: It seems the Brits are also suffering from a lack of experience, and are in need of training wars. With Ireland's current (re)militarisation, any action from them should be a while in coming and easily dealt with.
I hope. xD
Also, would the allowance of PEACE and Atlantis members to join the ESA not have the potential to sabotage the afore-mentioned trading or cooperative charity structures? The idea seems a little too platonic, and could result in the entire alliance falling with PEACE and Atlantis grubbing in. Perhaps?
^that doesn't mean much, I have people on my friends list that I dont even like, even agree with, or even know, lol. So that doesn't really mean anything.
@Mac. Arsey Brits, still thinking thems are superpowers! Britian will boil down to just London, eventually.
I am not saying the sky is falling, but I do feel such things should be monitored by those whose job it is to assess foreign affairs.
Also, Collins and pdiddy, I would hope, you would remove yourself from the friends list of such an individual, once you were made aware of their position.