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Yeah, you see Halfie, the guy who posted the article you refer to, is a troll. He did that to piss us off or get this reaction out of us. Also, we are allies with Brazil and most of us want to keep it that way for awhile. Also, Indonesia isnt exactly gonna sit back while we try to fight off Brazil. Right now, we dont have the resources or the allies capable of forcing Brazil and Indonesia out of eSA. We're kinda forced into being neutral for the time being.

On a side note, this article is very well written and I wish you luck in your run for congress. 🙂

Whether he was just trolling or not, he has a point(although trolls piss me off). Our alliance with Brazil is, at least in my P.O.V., nothing more than eBrazil bringing us "under its protection". Soon our president will be getting notes from eBrazil about "protection fees" and our nation will be taken advantage of. A weakened eBrazil and a distracted eIndonesia are just what we need to at least begin our movement against them.

I know we don't have the resources or the allies to face them openly, but we will have to bring our war into the shadows and strike at them with unorthodox and unforseeable tactics. Supporting political parties in eBrazil that will benefit us and helping them rise to power is one good way to do it.

And thank you for your nice words 🙂

Yeah I agree with this dude. Way better than your Foreign Affairs letter to us. Which left many from eAustralia and even one from eFinland and eUSA each feeling like Brazil is not the only one we want revenge on. I mean Allies of Brazil you say Seisan. That kind of feels to me like you really stabbed us in the back. If you guys actually did what this article suggests and help us not openly we would forgive you.

Well part of our contract with Brazil was that we sign a peace treaty and ally with Brazil. So this was all agreed upon LONG before Brazil attacked you guys. >_>

I don't think we should have to honor the contract with eBrazil if they won't honor one with us. They attacked eAustrailia against our will so they should expect us to feel betrayed enough to not fufill a contract with them.

And to you Kirkzzy, I can understand you are upset with eBrazil like so many others. I promise that as a congressman they won't get away with their lack of respect for others. Tell your friends to vote this up so the whole nation can see your opinion.

Okay as someone else who wishes eBrazil and eIndo would go somewhere else, lets all get a dose of reality. eSA if it were ten times it's current size, would lose a war to eBrazil, due to active player counts as well as the economies of both nations. Double that for eIndo. So whilst it's nice to say... hey let's get them out of our country, it's impractical.

Now it's also great to say let's strike them from the shadows. But firstly writing a public article that they can read (turns out many Brazilians can read English) saying, hey we should backstab them, isn't very shadowy. And if at some point they decided their friendship or protection wasn't valued by eSA anymore, because they suspect we're doing stuff to hurt them, they may decide that our regions would be nice to have anyway since this tiny nation is trying to eventually attack eBrazil.

So... long story short. Unless you have a practical method of actually overcoming Brazil or eIndo (eIndo actually being the much more threatening neighbour of ours) then there's no point pushing this point. If you do, awesome, let us know (especially if you end up in Congress).

Thank you for your true words MR.Moore and I couldn't agree more with you. When a plan has been compiled to end our being taken advantage of I will make sure you're informed.

My personal plan to at least underwhelm them both by securing alliances with nations that go against them. Of course this could (and should) bring them into conflict with us, but with eBrazil's failure to take eAustralia down it at least shows their limit. With eAustralian and EDEN support we could at least disrupt eBrazil's plans.

If you have any other points to bring up it would be appreciated

I didn't help stop ajay from PTOing you guys to let you become Brazil's bitch. i am disappoint.

The Browns were closer to winning a super bowl this year than Ajay was to PTOing us.

Ajay was a fool who wished himself king of eSA. He payed the price of his hubris, as should eBrazil.

*To the people of eAustralia, I ask you to forgive us for our former weakness and help us defeat the enemy that harmed you.*

Now that's more like what eAus wants to hear. When the time comes I'm sure we'll be here to lend a hand. 🙂

That is all we ask for my friend. Help me vote this up so all of eSA can see us getting along while those who support eBrazil must suffer as a mindless tool.

😃 I agree with Larni

We must do all we can to spread the word and get people on our side. Enough is enough, and eBrazil shall pay for using us as pawns in their sick game!

agree, they slunk off like the cowards they are hiding in Gauteng

its almost comical that the current eSA administration is defending the people who are occupying their capital......

to all the South Africans trolling (Seisan, Hamilton Moore) you seem to think its SA vs Phoenix. Its not. The whole point is to get Australia to do it for you and return your regions via RW

plus now you have a MPP with Brazil once all your regions are free you will be Imune from Phoenix . Brazil cant invade (MPP) Indonesia cant Invade (Australia preventing them from getting to you).

Really its a win-win situation for you. It doesn't make sense not to do it unless you are happy with being a puppet to Phoenix

Tim to be honest we have long term plans along these lines. But they are long term and will take planning and preparation. It's great to just say, lets let some other guy come in and attack eBrazil.

But what if you fail?

I'm not trying to be horrible about this, but Gauteng is one of eBrazil's most important foreign territories. Are you sure you could defeat them? Because we certainly are far from sure. If I'm not mistaken Western Aus was taken by Brazil in that last action. Why could you not stop them in defence of your most important territory, but you think you would be able to defeat them in one of their most important territories?

People can say all they like about trolling or whatever, but we aren't neighboured with eUSA with their high population. We're neighboured with eAus, which doesn't have a monster population. And whilst eAus is our logical ally, considering our real life ties, we also want to have our country exist in game so we can keep playing.

So sue us for wanting to be able to play in our own country and doing what we can to ensure that can happen. People who don't have the threat of their eCountry getting wiped out at the first chance any of our neighbours decide (ANY of them) can't really comment on our situation.

*People who don't have the threat of their eCountry getting wiped out at the first chance any of our neighbours decide (ANY of them) can't really comment on our situation.*

Did you not stand aside and put eAus in exactly that position? We were going to be wiped out but look what happened.

eBrazil ran like cowards and you were used as a block. Think of how different it could have been if eAus and our allies were not blocked?

*Why could you not stop them in defence of your most important territory, *

cause it's not most important. Neither is NT. It was a strategic move to enable our friends to position themselves. But we busted them up plenty.

Do we have the firepower? Obviously not alone but we can get it.

However SA needs to stand alone first. You need to stand up to eBrazil instead of cowering away.

Punch the bully in the nose. You need to take that risk if you truly want to stand as a nation and want the help of others in your cause.

(facepalm)

*shrugs*

If you don't stand up to them and take a risk or two yourselves I wouldn't be expecting aid from outside. You've ruined your reputation and your word is not worth a grain of salt. Who will help you now?

You need to gain that respect back.

Is being Brazil's lapdog working well for you? Cause to the outside world that's all it looks like. Words are just words, how about some action?

"Are you sure you could defeat them?"

look at our MPPs. did you notice that brazil RWed KZN back because they were afraid that we would take Gauteng. Plus because its a Military action against Phoenix we would likely have EDEN doing a bit of damage 😉

to answer that Yes im sure.

@ Tim Holtz, last time I checked, stating my opinion on this matter is not trolling.

You guys seem to forget what happened before. Before eIndo and eBrazil occupied half of eSA, we were our own country with plenty of foreign allies. Then the invasion came. We called upon our allies in EDEN for aid, and they did not come to help. We were wiped off the map and only through negotiations were we able to convince eBrazil to give us a region back a few months later.

You have to understand, we do not like having half of our country occupied, but standing up to these occupiers even with powerful allies has failed in the past. Do we want to take that risk and get wiped off the map for a third time? No. "Punch that bully in the nose," We did, and got destroyed for it.

You say we need to redeem ourselves, but it was YOU who abandoned US in our time of need. Why should we rely on EDEN to help us exactly? Cause we're "lapdogs" of PEACE? Woop-dee-doo. You guys in EDEN are just upset because we're friends with Brazil. You wanna fight against PEACE, then do it elsewhere. We've regained half of our country without outside aid and we'll continue to do so. If you really want to help us, then kick eIndo our of eSA. We prefer having eBrazil around then eIndo.

If you want to kick eBrazil's ass, then just go ahead and do it. If you guys hate us as much as you claim, then why do you even bother asking for our help? If you guys think you're so powerful that you can take on eBrazil and eIndo, then go for it. I would actually like to see the outcome of that war.

Even if we don't go into all out war with eBrazil, actions must be taken to at least weaken their hold on us. They use us as shields to cover their retreat, and now some of them think we should be completely grateful that they at least gave us what was promised(the Q5 Hospital and D.System)

They don't respect us, eAus doesn't respect us, we are just a small nation trying to hold on to our pathetic neutrality while we get taken advantage of. I would rather have us just join eBrazil and eIndo. instead of claim neutrality while playing to only one side. At least then the world can tell what side we are really on.

Sorry Seisan, i think you are a little confused mate. We don't hate you. We want you to choose us over Brazil. You continue to show that you don't give two shits about Aus. Give us KwaZulu Natal and we will get Brazil out of Africa. We won't take KwaZulu Natal by force because we aren't that kind of country. We respect other peoples rights. Something Brazil doesn't do. All we want is for South Africa to give us a chance at striking back at Brazil.

Sorry, Spazicus. That really wasnt directed at all of eAus, I know there are some of you who don't hate us, but all the people who comment on these articles generally treat us with disdain. Good to see there are a few who can be polite and civilized. 🙂

Here's the thing though, we do care about eAus. We fought alongside eAus when eBrazil invaded you guys and helped drive them out. You guys just seem to make such a big deal about us liking both sides. We gave eBrazil half our regions to stop a PTO threat and wrote in the contract that they could not attack anyone unless they are willing to give us a Q5 defense system. eBrazil broke this part of the contract, not really anything we could do to stop them besides helping you guys defend eAus; which we did.

Plus, here's another thing to consider. You claim eBrazil doesnt care about its allies. Well, they have been alot more polite to us then pretty much every eAus who comments on articles. eBrazilians have been polite and they seem to be somewhat trustworthy seeing as how they upheld a contract that they could have easily had the admins declare void. eAussies on the other hand have, for the most part, been very rude and some even want us wiped off the map again. With all this in mind, who would most people trust more?

This, however, is just all public information. I can assure you, members of eSA's congress do not want bad relations with eAus. There are already several ideas being thrown around about us trying to become stronger allies then we were before with eAus. (Sorry, that does not mean we're gonna let you attack eBrazil just yet.) If you guys want us to help you, then be more polite and considerate about it. Calling us traitors and saying we deserve to be wiped off the map again doesn't really make us want to help you guys.

*Give us KwaZulu Natal and we will get Brazil out of Africa. We won't take KwaZulu Natal by force because we aren't that kind of country*

That's the one. It guarantees that you are truly with us and it also burns the bridge with eBrazil.

If you want the invades off your soil that is the sacrifice you must make but rest assured once we are done we will pack up and leave your country to your own devices.

No we do not hate you, there are some of us very angry over what you did but their anger is pointed at Brazil. By remaining in the middle you are preventing them from getting their vengeance.

It's time for someone in your gov to make the tough call.

Let us through, link with our forces and we will cleanse you nation of the treacherous invaders.

Well, the best thing you can do then is to contact our Pres about that. Normally articles like these go ignored by the higher-ups in the government. If you want something done, you should just get your leaders to PM our Pres rather than write these articles and comments.

Sometimes Seisan the will of the people needs to be heard. It's up to your President to listen to the voices of the populace.
If ALL of you want this to happen then he cannot ignore it. If he does then get into the ears of your Senate members. Impeachment isn't nice but it's that threat alone that should see your Pres listening to the people.

Having your president come to ours and offer this will have a lot better bearing on your nation.

If eSAfrica wants to be neutral...then sit back and relax while eAus kicks eBrazil out of africa!

@Lami,
I don't think you understand.
We're not unhappy with our government.
YOU are.
This is the will of the people. We voted them in, didn't we?

Secondly, what you're talking about is an eAus initiative (give us KZN and we'll attack eBrazil).
So, why should our President go to YOUR President?
Last time I checked, the President with the INITIATive also INITIATED the talks.

Learn some politics.

Right, I put an end to this.

Under contract we are bound to be allies with eBrazil. It was part of the agreement to get our regions back.

The eSA is trying to remain neutral in the eBrazil eAustralia issue as the eSA would get shredded if they decided to attack each other.

Currently the eSA are not looking to take risks or take regions by force. We are looking for stability and peace.

Anybody who doesn't understand any of this or are making assumptions, read the forums.

Well said, Sam.
I had my doubts about you and your Communist ramblings.
But at least in this we see eye to eye.
I salute you Comrade.

Interesting perspective. I'm in agreement, but it's probably not that simple...

Of course it's not that simple, and I'm not saying we openly go to war with them. We need to undermine them in anyway we can, and eAus is willing to help. I understand that eSA wants peace, everyone does, but sometimes to gain true peace you need to go to war. Our fragile neutrality hasn't stopped eBrazil from taking advantage of us.