Donation: Signal of friendship and support for eIsrael
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by Franz Kafka
eIsrael has its first Congress since regaining independence. eCzechs have always been friends eIsrael and it's cause for national self-determination.
We are a poor nation, but I would like for us to send a symbolic donation to show our support for this nation.
I propose we agree to donate 5 gold to eIsrael. (see vote here: http://www.erepublik.com/en/Czech-Republic/law/3340)
It is not possible to donate directly one country to another. So we have agreed to donate via this organisation: Libertas Foundation - which will then be forwarded to eIsrael.
Congressman Franz Kafka, Nezavislost
Congressman Radim, Czech Right Union
UPDATE: The donate function only allows minimum 10 gold. So I've set the proposal for 10 and will immediately donate back 5 gold. FK
UPDATE 2: If you are inclined to vote against this - it would be helpful to hear your reasons. FK
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I agree.
I voted against.
I agree, we must help to newly independent country...
Jan why did you vote against this?
Great Franz, you did part of great work... .
Prosper or die, boy... Who said that ? Let me think... There was you radim... Voted against...
I wonder if its because real world Czech sympathy towards Israel or are you realy in friendship with e-Israeli? Because eIsrael is strategically out of our diplomatic map and according statistics Greece would need more help.
I abstain.
@Havel: I have no problem with independent support for eIsrael but there is no rationale on a countrywide level to be donating to them. As individuals we can be sympathetic, as a government we must be rational.
I voted no. We are poor enough and cannot afford to fund every newly formed nation in the world.
i agree
Voted Yes, although the amount IS a little high. I am glad we will be receiving 5 gold back.
Under my administration I'd start working the gold markets in order to give us more gold with the enormous amount of CZK we've been accumulating.
Red duck and colleagues: There is a little of the Pastor Niemoller rationale to this. It is a small gesture, but it recognises that if we allow the self-determination of others to be crushed because of no direct self interest at that moment, eventually we could be next. A useful counterpoint here is IRL that invasion of the Czech Sudetenland by Nazi Germany - the world stood back and allowed Hitler his actions - spurned on by this inaction Hitler went on to attack Poland, France, Russia and many other nations.
I believe we must support the spirit and principle of self determination lest someone determines that we are better off as part of some other larger nation!
FK
God point FK, that 10 gold isn't much money, I have more gold than that but we show to that newly born state that we emphatize with them, it's simbolic gesture only...
--DK
"Under my administration I'd start working the gold markets in order to give us more gold with the enormous amount of CZK we've been accumulating."
Selling at what rate? That's going to give us some massive shortages and big inflation if you don't go about it carefully. Even if you do go about carefully we'll still be left with big inflation.
"I believe we must support the spirit and principle of self determination lest someone determines that we are better off as part of some other larger nation!"
This rationale still doesn't really explain why we're donating gold to Israel. I don't see movements to donate gold to Greece, Russia, or any of the countries to achieve their freedom. With Israel already receiving so much support from the Americans, it really will be a token gesture. A token gesture that consumes over a tenth of the gold reserves that we maintain for hospitals, defense, systems, and political action. The fact that this action was put up for voting BEFORE is also not an admirable.. Did you think no one would want to voice their own opinion before we decided to throw our neutrality away on a country not even on our own continent?
"The fact that this action was put up for voting BEFORE is also not an admirable.. Did you think no one would want to voice their own opinion before we decided to throw our neutrality away on a country not even on our own continent?"
1. I don't understand the first sentance.
2. No I thought people would voice their opinions and they have done. As you can see many people in Congress hold your point of view as congress is currently tied 12-12.
3. Offering support and friendship is not throwing away our neutrality.
FK
Jan you say that this money that we should donate would be taking away from the "gold reserves that we maintain for hospitals, defense, systems, and political action"
1. We have one major hospital and that is the one in Moravia, where is the gold we have going for hospitals, I have not seen any new ones.
2. We have no powerful defense systems, nor has there been any attempt at trying to pass legislation about it, so is it really taking away the gold needed?
3. Yes this is taking money away from political action, but that's because THIS IS political action. We are showing a good gesture by saying that eCzech supports nations who fight for their independence. It also shows that we will aid those who need help, as we would want aid if we need help.