Don't cry for me Hungrytina [на енглеском сиротињо крезава]
Dio Maximus
We are playing in peculiar and weird times, because, as it seems allegiances are in motion as we speak. It's not something new, it's the natural circle of things around here.
I've actually come back from a short term hiatus to write about the extremely idiotic situation between Hungary and Argentina. I haven't seen any real analysis of the situation, except the absolutely retarded article in Serbia (by a guy who is pushing his own personal troll agendas) and some articles and comments written by parties in question (ARG/HU analysts and decionmakers) or written by Don Croata, who is pushing the Croatian ''new alliances'' perspective. Don Croata's article is well written, a little biased, but still well written, should be recommended reading to see how the other side thinks their opposition. Both of the Argentinian and Hungarian positions are childish and wrong. Both have wronged each other in some way. It's not something that people will accept or acknowledge, it's hard for hotheads to accept their own mistakes, because it's a lot easier to blame ''those guys'' ie. the opposite side. Before people start bitching about this position, bear with me.
Asteria bloc is not an extremely functional alliance. It's working somewhat well, but it's simply not as well organized or there is no feel of ''togetherness'' as there was in some it's predecessors. It's winning simply because it has no opposition, and when it had opposition it's opposition was bigger shit then Asteria was. Keers would probably cry about his brainchild but let's face it, Sirius was pretty shit, and the only thing that was keeping it afloat was Chile which wasn't even in that alliance. To put it in some perspective Asteria vs Sirius/Aurora/whatevs was a fight between two blind guys with no hands. Asterian blind guy had a gun and he was shouting with his toes, and he hit the other blind guy once. End of story.
Now we have a weird situation with everyone allying everyone and no real wars. Croatians are crying about this all the time, even tried to make some makeshift ''alliance'' between Greece, Macedonia and Bulgaria which resulted in their failure with Greeks going hurr durr lets n00k Vardarska.
Now back to the topic at hand.
Hungary had the rental agreement with Germany since early 2015. (february possibly), Greece went into Germany, Argentina went after them and got the German regions which Hungary was renting. This would be a simple issue to resolve if there wasn't some childish actions that followed a real lack of communication between the two countries. They were also going after each other for quite some time now. Argentina with helping Ukrainian RW's and similar things. I've noticed that Astolfex (Argentinian Minister of Defense) said that Hungary didn't ask Argentina about those regions and made an agreement with Germany without consulting them. Hungarians denied this. Shitstorm happened. I've talked with different persons who are in and out of Asteria and from what they said Astofex' story doesn't add up. Even a Romanian person (among others) high up said to me that the Hungarians talked with them and got some kind of agreement. Some kind as there wasn't a clear time table for RW's it seems. The thing is essentially Hungarians started their action (opened RWs) before the timeline was agreed for change of region ownership.
So let's sum this up:
1. Hungary needs the Germany regions for bonus resources.
2. Argentina needs maybe 2 of them, but can as easy get them elsewhere. Also Arg is kind of doing a payback to Hungary for some stuff that happened last year in South America during the Chilean campaign.
3. Both countries leadership have interest to cook this situation up to some extent for their own interest.
4. Croatians and the whole enemy side has interest to enlarge the problem due to their own agenda which is new alliance and a new deal of cards.
5. Both sides are trying to get Serbian support for their point of view and against the other side.
i know this article isn't about the Turks, but can't miss this epic moment to mess with them
Hungary left Asteria in a stupid way couple of years ago. There was a lot of speak about a conspiracy etc etc which simply wasn't true at all. I was in the Serbian government and present in the alliance when that happened. It could have been resolved with ease, but hotheads prevailed. Luckily it was amended through some other means.
This situation has some similarities, just that Argentinian officials are acting like Hungarian officials back then. Hungarians aren't at fault as well. This could have been and should be resolved through diplomatic means. It's not a big deal. Both of you are making it a big deal.
VyC Arg made a really bad article in which he wrote one crucial sentence which really is bad taste and childish behavior.
Something along the lines ''Final message to our ''friends'' pick between Argentina and Hungary''
What are you twelve?
No one said a word about Greeks setting CO and tanking against other Asterian members as much as i recall.
I've said to the Hungarians back in the 2014. and I'm going to say the same thing to Argentinians now.
It is stupid and retarded to send sugarcoated public ultimatums to allied countries regardless of your own personal opinion. Learn how to be a real leader and not a populist.
I say this because it's really easy to manipulate people into moving against a perceived ''enemy state''. We've seen that numerous times in the past.
Get your shit together and lead your countries like real leaders because whenever people put shitpost ultimatums aimed at their allies due to some extremely retarded issue and manipulate their own populace, Croatians and Turks make a big dance party to celebrate.
Peace at home, Peace in the world btches
PS: Мрзи ме да преводим на српски много ме мрзи умирем од мрзења :2
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[Don't cry for me Hungrytina]
http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/don-t-cry-for-me-hungrytina--2583926/1/20
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SERBIA - Reports of the MoFA about Hungary
20. mart 2014.
http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/-1-2384707/1/20
Translation
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Iqu838LP1p3T2lPy7A4PU6VgzRgiNwgAs2bOk59CEqg/edit?usp=sharing
Argentina is a member Asteria, Hungary not.
Serbia and other members of Asteria are obliged to protect the interests of members, in accordance with the Charter.
The behavior of Serbian Government leads to the destruction of the Alliance ... again.
They became very close with the Bulgarians and Macedonians, in the case the collapse of Asteria.
troll kiddo
Madjari priznali izdaju
Hungarians traitors
http://i.imgur.com/GQtlzEH.png
http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/2584067/1/20
[Vader] Argentinian MoD on the territorial dispute
http://www.erepublik.com/hu/article/2584038/1/20
vote&shout
A good article with some real good advices. The only thing I have to highlight is your tendency of considering Hungary a friend of Asteria (you know better than me that they are only proSerbia).
o/
It's true that i consider Hungary a friend. It's debatable ofc that your point of view regarding their position toward Asteria is true, but still i think things can and should be worked out regardless of the past transgressions by both parties.
how about Greece?
for me they are enemies along with all anti-Asteria countries, including Hungary and FYROM. Romania made their decision when it came to chose between Greece and Asteria.
+ Slovenia and Poland for sure. Of course not proRomania but wait preRomania maybe 🙂
Your campaign lamentable failed. Slovenia is Asteria member, and loland... well, nobody cares for them.
Even so we are pro Asteria 😛 Thx.
Beg pardon for saying that: I've found difficulties in detecting the aim of your article, though what's really punches the face is the care of awkward balancing. Don't get me wrong, I don't require you to flutter any flag or set all things by saying a serhun eternal. Just if you feel yourself concerned and posses the required informations to make a statement, then say something clever. Clichés are oversaid.
I think he clearly stated the purpose of this article. I find it hard to believe you didn't understand it. It seems to me like you are forcing your hand a bit 🙂
but it's clear...
Serbia is
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/515X05631AL.jpg
xdxd
I would probably write a better article if i wrote in Serbian, I don't consider my English skills to be quite extraordinary, also I've rushed it a bit, but my point still stands.
Both Argentina and Hungary have tried to f--k each other over several occasions in the past. I haven't really tried to balance the article, honestly can't take sides simply because I saw on several occasions Hungarian government doing stupid moves as well and felt the repercussions of those moves personally.
I understand both positions, Argies aren't backing down now simply because of those moves in the past. Hungarians as well to some extent.
This is becoming a circlejerk. I honestly tend to rationalize things as much as i can, and i know that it is hard to do that if people are moved by emotional decisions so i understand the Argies as well. Simply put, chaos breeds more chaos and someone must pull the plug on the show sometimes soon.
А што не напишеш зглоб на срБском, можда још неко прочита....
I myself wasn't clear enough, in spite of acting the criticizer. I was refering to the atitude of your article, which I have found extraordinary cautious. It's actually a long term tendency now, that every foreign-relations themed article should apply a certain political correctness, even by sacrificing differentation. That should by the only reason making paralel on the current agenda and Hungary's quit, in which I was involved more than I had liked to be.
The Hungary quit part wasn't about you, I've had only good and constructive discussions with you, karaj and Clopimida.
Same here. Unfortunately I'm happening to be the last, who survived the case from hu-gov side. I regard that event as a mark in which the balance of power shaken in Asteria and changed step-by-step to what it is today. The issue of reinvitation was a clearly characteristic event; it highlights how unbalanced have this alliance became, When our MoFa, Azurefalcon was promised with a reinvitation after our contribution against BG and the south-american war. That actually never happened, instead it has been declined and defined as some unborn scheme and backdoor-speaking.
Having the same external policies and actions won't give you different results. Bad moves then , bad moves now... probably same results.
Start thinking about who gains what from all this before doing anything, if you would have done this in the past and didn't fall for the eRomanan manipulation you would probably still be Asterian.
It's hard to deal with someone when they want the regions you have bonuses.
The diplomatic solution that Hu envisioned was that Arg leaves it's bonuses in Ger and Hu grabs them...nice diplomacy.
How would you feel if Hu shows up with a deal with Albania,Italy,Canada or any other country where Serbua has bonuses and says...look guys we have a deal and you have to go.Is this diplomacy?
Argentina can get those bonuses elsewhere and hold them with more ease then being in Germany. Hungarians should have made a REAL deal with them to either promise help in getting those extra bonuses for Arg, or pay them for the German ones in some way. It's simple, i give you something, you give me something back.
thats call blackmail. we was polite with argentina, they was really prick.
Even some argentinian recognize the Hungarian right:
http://prntscr.com/a5t9n2
Tipical double moral from argentina.
Also comming the typical serbian article. Everybody has right and nobody.
We will not pay for those regions in this situation.
Hu could have gotten their resources from somewhere else aswell.
You attack a country to take their bonuses and then play the victim card? Maybe the game has changed but not to a degree to go all blind.Hu has played the victim card too many times and Serbia has kind of chosen to close a blind eye most of the times including when Asteria members where attacked for old times sake. Friends also tell eachother when they are wrong and that actions have consequences.Hu cannot play the victim forever and be procteted.
It was about how "we" (first greek than arg) can nettle/ruffle the huns. Then we have received some offer from greek about hundred k cc giving back regions... so bullshit. Args made a little bit more polite and friendly but then came e3000 day, or some missions.... it is failed and afterwords does not success any of the discussions. I heard so.
nice quote of Atatürk xdxd
top kek m8 :3
hungary and argentina are both idiots. since BETA
infidel capitalists
well you know what? people just got tired of 1 peacefull year in erep , so they are trying to mix it up somehow 😃
if not this situation between two allies could be solved with 2 3 simple ingame massages in normal life of erep 🙂
true
Just check nowadays at Syria, Iraq ... 😉
The world not used to be this simple, I'm afraid. Even if Iran can build a succesful foreign policy on blurring the differences in every case.
Iran is in good and experienced hands , dont worry about it 🙂
That's exactly what I'm talking about.
Funny thing is, we actually went to South America to help Argentina last year. So if this is payback as you say, then it's the worst kind I have ever seen in my life.
From what i heard Hungary made a deal with Chile and essentially blocked Romania there. Also promised Argentina to give back the regions and held them for 2-3 weeks stalling the situation, Romania got rekt from South America by Chilean RW's so that's that.
Also this isn't some Romanian propaganda, heard this story on multiple occasions by multiple people even some Serbs who are pretty much pro-Hungary.
As the MoFA of the mont (April 2015) I can assure you we did not make any moves to block Romania. It was actually Argentina who blocked them, by attacking SE Chaco .. everyone in the Asteria summit room was upset about that, Facu was a 2-clicker dictator.
We have got only regions for more days-weeks in Bolivia... 😮 What are you talking about ? 😮
now for everything we are the quilty.
argentinian people recognize the hungarian right in that territory:
http://prntscr.com/a5t9n2
inventing bad and false story not helping in this situation
I knew that someone would victimize itself.
I am not against Hungary.
''inventing bad and false story not helping in this situation''
I've written what I heard, I'd like to see people write what they know about that campaign and what really happened. I was not involved in that, heck wasn't even actively playing, it's just what i heard from people.
I don't know if it is completely true or completely false.
forabonban stop acting like a whiny brat and putting things i said out of context.
Dio, your article is more nautral then Arg's was. 😉
I was SC of Asteria when that AS happened and this is not true
Argentina blocked romania on those days because of letting the campaign on auto attack which came to choose the romanian border with chile as random region.
This hun blocking romania that you speak of happened in RO-Hun Joint operation to release and save serbia congress from cro and albania 🙂
Actually they Hu did cut off Ro advance.
They have also later sold South American regions to Trico.
To be more precise about what happened and technicalities: In South America Hu "forgot" to release some regions ,Arg had nowhere to go and cut Ro advance,so when people are claiming that Arg cut Ro advance that is a technicality.
A similar situation happened when Ro launched an AS to prevent Ser from being deleted.Out of A2 posdible regions Hu has chosen to attack the "wrong" region and as a result Ser got deleted.
As for the regions sold to Trico you can ask around.
One thing is for sure, if Ro launches an AS to help someone from Asteria you can count on Hu attacking the wrong region,not releasing a region or anything you can think of just to make sure Ro does not advance.The cost to the ally in Asteria does not seem to matter.That's why people say Hu is pro-Asteria 🙂
I n f 0 r m e r has the point