Do we really need this training war with eNZ?
Day 1,338, 13:12
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by H.Nelson
Let me just sum up some facts for you in connection with the ongoing training war between eAustralia and eNew Zealand. To begin with, I'd like to state that I myself was one of those supporting this training war and voted in favour of starting it in the Senate but now it has become more than obvious that it was a bad idea.
Let's see the reasons why.
¤ Fact #1
Kiwis and their allies are winning every single battle despite official orders telling them not to fight against eAustralia. In the meantime, eAustralia has hardly won one or two mini battles out of the many dozens so far.
¤ Fact #2
The last time eAustralia proposed an alliance to increase our stack of MPP's in order to be able to somewhat balance the situation was an embarrassing 7 days ago.
An alliance with the mighty Chileans.
¤ Fact #3
eAustralia is yet to gain initiative in this training war, which would at least provide some fun but taking Fact #1 and Fact #2 into account this is highly unlikely.
¤ Fact #4
RW'ing back our lost states costs 10,000 AUD each time, which is a waste of our financial resources since the 5 gold reward for the Resistance Hero medal only makes up 2,500 AUD.
Not to mention the additional costs of supplies on the aggregate level.
¤ Fact #5
The loss of production bonuses and tax revenue due to one of our states (e.g. NSW most recently) being occupied for at least 24 hours virtually cancels out all natural enemy bonuses gained.
¤ Fact #6
As Senate elections are nearing we are currently losing and taking back our states in a rather random fashion. This time last month we saw eIndonesia messing around with our regions; the last thing we need is this uncertainty to reoccur at the upcoming elections.
¤ Fact #7
If we possess fewer states on the 25th there will be fewer Senators elected, which results in less gold rewards collected, which leads to less personal resources available for training, investment and purchasing purposes. An overall loss in our economy.
Note, an additional 10 Senators elected equals to 10×5 = 50 gold revenue per month, much better than the current offer from eNZ for renting out Tasmania.
¤ Fact #8
The icing on the cake is the fact that all damage put in a training battle goes to waste when we might as well support our allies. Remember, they are the ones that save our ass regularly.
Now I'd like to ask, is it worth?
In other words, do we need this training war with eNZ at all? Wouldn't it be a better idea to just fight for our allies through MPP's and have a more or less stable economic and political environment?
Sincerely,
13-time Senator for Queensland
Commander of the Order of Australia
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Some food for thought coming from a concerned citizen.
Fact 9, eNZ is holding all the card in this TW, right now, all the RWs and direct battles are won by NZ. If they have decided to turn the TW into a real one, like DD often suggested (they have doublecrossed us). then we are pretty helpless. We might as well worship them as our overlord.
Or we could make the eNZers pay for resistance wars for any territory they conquer.
+1 Nelson.
What is the point of training wars when the entire region is currently fighting real wars?
eNZ is responsible for RWing back all won regions.
We are coming to a rental agreement over Tasmania. U will lose 7 Congress seats. 18 Congress members voted in you last congressional proposal & 12 in the one before that. Your congress is an inactive joke. We're doing you a favour there.
tbh we were bored with the eChile TW, it was TW you or wipe you. I think we made the neighbourly decision.
So stop whining, there's no harm done. You will regain all regions except Tasmania, get rent from that region which is useless to you & get rid of a few medal hunting Congress members as it's obvious thats all they were there for.
Have a nice day 🙂
@CrusaderCarl
Infact, almost all of our Congress voted on the Presidential Impeachment, and it's not useless to us, it gets us more Senators & tax revenue.
Ok, so you have 20 congress members. U get an average of about 15ish votes. Normally less. Thats 1/4 of congress that don't care enough to even vote.
With 3 regions you would get 33 Congress members,
Look, tbh what would you do if you were us? If we are told we can't come to an agreement and we are so obviously dominant then what would you have us do?
It's p hard to be in the leadership of a small country with resources just staring you in the face like that. We are trying to do this the nice way. I understand your concerns but you have to appreciate it from our position too.
thats your problem not ours CC. if you dont like it then conquer us because thats what your implying you want to do. we will resist like we did with Indo.
eNZ reneged on the notion of a training war immediately after it commenced. they now wish to occupy Tasmania. so it's not training - it's war.
This is why I voted H Nelson to be our leader.
yep, great job DD
Back in the day when I was CP we actually won our training war battles with eNZ. Months of poor leadership since then have decimated our country. The reason Calbe and I agreed to the TW was to promote communication and open relationships between our 2 countries.
Unfortunately, since then, the inept and confused leadership of eAus have made eNZ more or less a de facto enemy. First, Sir Constant's bungling of the TW and occupation of a region of Chile which derailed eNZ's plans, not the current debacle where no one can get a straight answer on what is happening... just like during Sir Constant's inglorious reign.
Good analysis there, H. We would be better served having strong allies and working closely with them to organise our resources during battles than this uncoordinated mayhem with eNZ.
It's interesting that the Senate seats part has been the most debated part so far.
So let me clear some eRep rules regarding the division of congress members and point out why it is not 20, 33 or anything.
3 regions -> 9 congressmen/region + 3 Wild cards -> 3×9+3=30 total congressmen
4 regions -> 9 congressmen/region + 4 Wild cards -> 4×9+4=40 total congressmen
Source:
http://wiki.erepublik.com/index.php/Division_of_congress_members
All those facts, summed up comes out to the fact that....this TW is not working out, not for us anyways. And if its not working for us, then there is no point in continuing really
H Nelson there was an interesting discussion with CrusaderCarl today on #ausrep which explains the psyche of NZ. If we hadn't agreed to this training war, Tasmania would have been taken by NZ by another means. They believe they are stronger than us and know that Tas is an economic bonus to them while it provides none to us.
Whether this training war exists or not is irrelevant, because ultimately Tasmania will be rented to NZ, or it will be taken by them without our consent. The choice of course is up the Senate.
Also, the above discussion makes it sound like we have some sort of option in ending the NE with NZ. The government was lead to believe the training war was fair dinkum, and we had no expectation that NZ forces would take our regions. We thought NZ could be relied upon. The regions have been RWd now but as to what happens with Tas next, well...
So strictly speaking, we have been blackmailed by eNZ regarding Tasmania.
Nice neighbours we have there.
However, the above facts in connection with the training war as a whole still stand and are not irrelevant at all.
I have not said anything about taking Tassie by force. You ladies need to settle down.
We have played this TW very fair. We have returned every region so far. You guys are too used to making mountains out of mole hills.
It is not my decision what happens if u reject a rental agreement. All I was doing was to ask yourself what you would do in our shoes.
CC has said here: http://community.auserepublik.com/index.php?topic=15807.msg197533#msg197533 that he will RW every region taken in the TW. I hope that includes Tasmania if and when we reject their offer to rent it.
Oh, and CC, we only had 18 Senate vote last because we only have 21 Senators, and one of those isn't on the forums. That's not too bad an average. Losing another 7 seats will make Senate too unbalanced for it to function.
NZ definitely benefit more from the TW through RH medals to the highest bidder.
@Crusadercarl:
OK, so you're saying that Infin was not correct in his above post, right?
Let me rephrase my question... you're not taking Tasmania if we reject your offer of a miserable 35 gold, right?
As for the RW's; now I see that you're the one paying them but you do realise that it only makes Fact #4 void, the rest of our concerns still remain valid.
Now please try to think about the whole situation from our position too.
No offence really, CC, I do have a huge respect towards you as I think you do a great job for eNZ, exactly what I'm trying to do here for eAus...
With regards to the senate ... we have a massive inactivity problem because some "genius" decided to make using the forums to talk to other senators unnecessary. Before this, we had above 90% of our senators active and on the forums. The other 2-3 were badgehunters
why is it that eAustralians always seem to think that we in eNZ are trying to push you guys around. As CC has noted, we are merely seeking nice ties and came to you with an offer to "rent" Tasmania.
It could have been worse, we could have just walked in like eIndo but we didn't, we wanted to build better ties.
I hope that this debate is only because of how the eAustralian government rolled out this TW and not the actual feeling of Australians to us Kiwis across the Tasman.