Dirt? Slave? Puppet? Friend? Why?
Chise E Tamai
So.
Has anybody wondered why Taiwan goes like "Hey we want to be your friend" on one hand, but also goes like "no we don't trust you" at the other hand?
If you do wonder, raise your hand. I will give it a count.
Anyhow, I will start by making a quotation from ahava3233, because I believe that the statement does represent what a significant amount of eJapanese citizens think of the current situation:
"If Taiwan wants to be our true ally, they need to treat us as such, not like dirt, suspecting us at every turn of working against them...."
Yes. I believe that people would all hold some degree of curiosity as to why things are the way they are now. Some of you had decided that it's just Taiwanese being evil; however, my experience with life had told me that things never are as easy as they look. People are not flat - that is, simply putting an attribute on a target, and symbolize them as such, would usually cause you to miss other more important stuff. People, organization, or country are never really just pure evil; complicated reasons almost always follow behind.
No; everything has a reason.
It took me a great deal of time to do the investigation. I found an answer; it's my way of explaining things. It might be wrong, but it would probably make some sense in explaining the chaos we have now. Whether or not the answer I found is truly true, is a subject of debate, but I believe that it's an answer that would make things make more sense.
So.
Well, basically, Taiwan treated us badly, because we used to treat them badly.
No, it has nothing to do with US. Not me, not you; only the country. Most of us who are active now are irrelevant, and thus clueless, to those past incidents. It's like as if your father was an asshole, and so people don't trust you by default, even through you have done nothing that's worth that kind of distrust yourself.
Unfortunately, the past incidents did make some bad images of eJapan, so we suffer from history. The past had created enmity, and we who live now suffer from the consequence, even though we are not the ones who did it.
I would not go into the details; but for anyone who is interested, do a bit of research on your own on the previous presidents of eJapan. Some of them were nowhere near Taiwan-friendly - especially those ones who were in power immediately before Sophia Forrester came to term (the month that the war started). They might have good reasons of their own to treat Taiwan like asshole, but I don't know; what I do know is, they made Taiwan wanting to treat us like asshole.
The blacklist that Taiwan provided us with from the election last time, had names of some rather ancient and non-active politicians, which was the evidence of how people from the past had created grudges, and now we suffer from them. It's not the decision, nor the wish of us, the current eJapan citizens, to have such hatred planted on us by default, but it's still something that we have to face.
It's a bias. It's a bias that exist with a reason. It's not directly our fault, but it's there.
Let's deal with it together, people.
This should also explain why Taiwan's attitude seem a bit odd - "we want to be a friend" on one hand, but distrust on the other hand. I suspect that those who trust us less are older in eRep age, whereas the newer players, those ones who are less relevant to the history, are the more friendly ones; well, all is possible.
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兵乃國之大者也,不可不察。
Actually, eJapan has never treated eTaiwan "wrong". Unless you mean eChina. Then yeah, myself and other advocates of non-puppet states have done more than enough to make it known we aren't their buttmonkeys. Otherwise, if you're going to claim we've ever done any evil to eTaiwan (whom many of their older players come from eJapan: note, Sadanaga), then you're admitting they're just an eChinese puppet.
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Taiwan Force : Japan is our slave.
especially is Chise E Tamai
@Nowe
That's what I thought.
The biggest "evil" - at least, from the Taiwanese point of view - there is, is that you always mark them as eChinese puppet. There is no way that they are ever going to treat us nicely if you try to grab every opportunity to mark them that way. Thanks for showing up and make this clear.
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eTaiwan is an eChinese puppet, they are just butt mad because we let Hungary come kick there ass when they were occupying our regions and refusing to pay rent, they also tried to get us wiped by running with there tales between there legs from Hungary making us cannon fodder. You weaboos have done screwed the pooch (eJapan) on this one.
I'm pretty sure its biologically impossible for me to be a weaboo: I happen to be Japanese.
Sumeragi Akeiko, Japan's slump did not start with you, if you look back to 'glory days' of Sophia Forrester you will see someone who was committed to rapprochement with eChina and there puppets eTaiwan, lol the funny thing is it got Japan wiped for nearly or over two months, I am unsure of the length. In any case your current foreign policy promotes extreme boot licking and will lead to no where but being wiped again when you upset your master. eJapan used to be an extremely proud country.
I'm pretty sure asking not to fight in RWs so as to keep things calm for discussions does not constitute boot licking, unless you happen to believe only antagonistic behaviors are the only honorable diplomatic actions. I am sure you'll take back your words within a week.
Asking people to avoid fighting in RW's is one thing, but suggesting you fight for Taiwan is another. Your last article is a very good case of boot licking. Japan might as well just be consumed by Taiwan again really, because at this point they are nothing more then puppets anyway, so why even mask it?
Mhmm, Chise this is probably true, excellent analysis. It's amazing how negative emotions can linger in a community for generations, which in erepublik, means months.
Oh and you quoted me, I'm honored. (^v^)
@ Alfred Ball: I am pretty sure I only wrote don't fight. Are you mixing me up with Sophia or something?
To be honest, I don't agree with this. Taiwan's Foreign Minister was on good terms and a regular on our IRC channel. What happened when I was President was that a new group came to power in Taiwan and basically pushed through the war. Xenocryst was appointed the co-Minister of Foreign Affairs and took a really hard line on eJapan. He said that if any Japanese citizen supported South Korea in the Resistance Wars, that was eJapan attacking Taiwan. Neither he nor the President would meet with me.
So Chise, maybe some Taiwanese saw our former leaders as trolls, but if so, they did not communicate that. Also, many had justified resentment against China after China's PTO of North Korea and invasion in 2011. You say that they resented us because we saw them as Chinese -- again, this does not match my experiences. I sometimes heard that they were working too closely with China in foreign policy, but never that they were Chinese.
@Sophia Forrester, I recall taking a similar stance when eChina attacked us over there avoiding communication with us, I sat in their IRC room for hours everyday hoping to talk to their MOFA again after he told us it was okay to hold Hamyong an Iron region. I also recall you blaming me completely for the issues that followed. You sure seem to be a little hypocritical here, the only problem is you are selling out and advocating fighting for eTaiwan over eJapanese territories.
Sophia is full of hypocrisy these days. But maybe it's because now that she understands how it feels to have one arm tied behind your back and fighting a giant with a pocket knife isn't as easy as it appeared to be in her fairy tales.
"The biggest "evil" - at least, from the Taiwanese point of view - there is, is that you always mark them as eChinese puppet."
That's funny, when did they stop thinking we were eUSA's or ONE's puppet? After we started giving them our regions?
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no need to sheep up and attack people :B can we at least keep the comments clean? no need to be fighting in here when you have a PM system for that :/
@Madara Uchiha It's more interesting if others can see it(^v^)
I actually quite like to read other peoples comments.
Politics talks and they use their point of view,I understand they reasons but...
For a "normal" eJapanese is hard put trust in eROC, we can't be really allies or friends until we have lands occupied is simple...Taiwanese are doing like eKoreans and eChinese they pretend to control our internal business...this is the mistake,we are a little country but proud.
Politics use to be proEden-Terra-One,but normal ejapanese want a neutral eJapan free of foreigner pressions, nothing more than this.
I happen to be old enough and a former president too. Before me we had a good relationship with Taiwan, they were a country without many players without babybooms. Like us. A little before and during my 2 consecutive months we had great relationship, taiwan started to get populated, SK, Japan and Taiwan were good buddies.
If something went wrong it must have happened recently. I'd ask what. I'd ask Taiwan. We asked them for mpp. They refused it!!! Their reason: China said no.
So Chise, if you want to "remember" why some of us call them Chinese puppets, because of this decision and many similar decision in the past. These things happened. Ofc, calling them with names is not acceptable, and I agree with u on some point, BUT a coin has 2 sides. Taiwan's dark sides is full of stories too, and I remember them
Darshu remembers correctly. Japan has done nothing but give to its smaller neighbors. Until, you know, they bite us in the rear.
> Taiwan's dark sides is full of stories too, and I remember them.
Yeah. I don't think any side is pure bad or pure good. I believe that even the act of marking them as puppets have some sort of good reasons behind it (although the Taiwanese would most likely find those "good reasons" to be unacceptable). However, the point is, that the passing on of enmity from generation to generation, either here or Taiwan, is hurting both nations.
The point I want to make is - the hatred, the arrogance, the enmity, the distrust - they all have a source. If you don't like Taiwanese, you probably have a good reason for it (the reason is at least good for you); the same is true the other way around. They don't just distrust us with no reason, same for how some citizens don't find them to be assholes for nothing. Everything has a source.
I am not old enough to find the ultimate source. I hypothesis that ultimately its the admins' fault 😛
"I am not old enough to find the ultimate source. I hypothesis that ultimately its the admins' fault 😛"
Such, such wise words. Admins should just remove North Korea. Useless country.
>Admins should just remove North Korea. Useless country.