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Petty politics by petty politicians.
Will get my certification back once Cemmo is CP ...
Bite me.

It is a shame, but realistically one can not allow even a respected citizen access to threads where a party which is from a government stand point a group who farm multies.

Ofcourse not all members from the Lazocracy party, does anything illegal, but one can not have plans to get rid of the illegals be open to their ears, if a player is loyal enough to be part of the party then they can expose what plans is in motion to get rid of these illegal players.

It is regrettable, but to be expected, not really petty. As in real life history is written by the victors, once Cemmo is CP, with the help from illegal multies, then he will decide those who farmed multies would likley be rewarded with cabinet positions.

@ Rex .. Agreed. I understand enough about the reason for this but, I am not going to be influenced by the reasons.
I just think I have brought enough to the table so far to be seen as all for eSA. See you in the trenches ... lets kill some Argies.

eSA top 21 damage for the week = are All Lazocrats eccept for Kuckuck, El Reto and Gregor Lucius.
But you label Lazo as the enemy?

I do not see 21 of them on the Uru battle, where every eSA citizen should be

i think i saw 3 Lazo's on the Uru battle.

The lazzos haven't even been fighting for us against Arg and Uruguay. They fight for eSA only when they feel like it.

So we should trust them just because they fight? They don't even follow official USA orders they fight where they want to where they can earn money.

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They were shooting Argies ...

Guess, that might have been more fun : D

The problem isn't the Military Unit. If there was a better drop, I would join their MU. The problem is that they are encouraging the usage of Multi's to get into congress and accept illegal citizens.

Enbaros was a trusted member of society until he met the same fate and I didn't see anyone crying about him.

Maybe you should go back and read your own writings Niffobti. You are "Uncertified" for the same reason as Enbaros and Leon and many others before you. Political agenda has nothing to do with it. I'm Minister of Security, as a country we deemed that all citizens who came here illegally, or are in support of the Lazocracy Political Party, which was PTO'd from the ANA, are not trusted members of society.

This is what it boils down to, any questions on "Why?" just read what you and Marmaduke wrote to Henock when he was a member of RTP. That should answer any questions...

You are making enemies with the wrong person in removing my status. It is a mistake you will certainly regret.

It's not my choice, it's the country's. I'm following the rules. The Rules you supported when Henock was FOR them.

This Law?

(3) Censure

(i) Congress members may move for the Censure of any citizen accused of misconduct, violations of eRepublik or eSouth African law or treason.

(ii) The proposing Congress Member must clearly state the case and produce evidence in the initial motion.

(iii) Congress may debate the motion and submit questions for 24 hours.

(iv) The accused has the right to defend himself/herself except in cases of treason, in which case access to the forums will be denied and the Speaker will submit a Statement of Defence on behalf of the accused.

(v) Decorum will be maintained at all times.

(vi) After 24 hours of debate, a 24 hour Forum Vote will be conducted on the Motion of Censure, which will have to pass with a majority vote of 66%.

(vii) Censures will be published in-game by the Speaker.

(viii) In the case of the censure of a member of Cabinet, the Speaker will inform the President of such censure before in-game publication to allow the Presidency to take any discretionary measures deemed necessary.

(4) Hearings

(i) The Speaker of the Congress may conduct hearings at her/his discretion. The hearing thread will be marked [Hearing].

(ii) All citizens of eSouth Africa, including members of the Cabinet, may be called to testify.

(iii) A citizen called to testify will receive a message from the Speaker labelled [Subpoena]. They will then have 24 hours to respond in the designated thread on the Forum.

It's not a matter of censuring. It's a matter of Security.

Also, since we are onto rules:

(4) Anti-PTO Procedures

(a) A Political Take Over (PTO) is when a highly organized group originating outside of eSouth Africa, often with the aid of multi-accounts or cheating, attempts to gain political power in eSouth Africa through victories in elections. A Political Take Over is defined by, but not restricted to, the attempt to restrain eSouth Africa’s autonomy, oppress the historical citizenry and culture, and make her directly subordinate to another eNation(s).

(b) The Minister of Security has the responsibilty to formulate procedures to assist in the prevention of any possible Political Take Over (PTO) of the Presidency, Congress, or any Political Party in consultation with the President, the Speaker of Congress, and the Party Presidents respectively.

So by removing my status you think you are preventing a PTO? Haha. I think not. In fact, you are helping the Lazokrats by turning me into an enemy.

Do you really think I'm Lazo? I have been in and out of Lazokracy SA for the past two month. It is still my party. I founded ANA. I was in Lazokracy when I was VP. They don't even want me in there. Tifonus told me to leave or else he's kicking me from the MU. I told him to SMD. And you see me as a threat?

Ha. You want to prevent a PTO but are turning one of eSA's most notorious PTOers aganinst yourself all while you keep morons like Henock that are taking bribes from Lazokrats nice and close. Ask him about the donations he's been receiving. Do you know about them, Mr. MoS?

Hahahahahahahahaha

Ooooooooooooooooooh, the irony!!!!!

1.So Security issue is because I joined an opposing party?
2. Or because they are using multies?

If 1. All that is not part of Lazocratz will be in opposing parties once they win ellections. So you are forcing me to make sure they win next election. Then by LAW of eSA all of the ppl NOT part of Lazocratz will be seen as the enemy and their certification will be removed.

Or
2. I am being "punished" for joining a party with known multies in the(or known for creating multies) according to you. It is more than likely that they are using multies. That is what I meant with petty politics. I have been part of eSA longer than a few. Never left for another country, always showed loyality. Now I get "banned" for others ingame mistakes? If you have proof of multies, report them. I will also help with reporting like I have done before.

Like Marmaduke said ... you are labeling me as well. Do not now be surprised about the consequences. In my first posts about the circus I accept the consequences of my actions. I still am not changing my choice, I just realize I should have done it earlier. Fight the cancer that is Government

None of your reasoning even makes any sense. If you're loyal to eSA...you would stick with the people NOT PTOing the country. You've never even once raised any concerns about the government, yet it is now a cancer. Just admit it, you're bored and switched parties for that very reason

What people? The eAmerican that just PTO'ed the presidency and filled the government with his buddies and is now undoing a month and a halfs worth of negotiations?

Seisan ... this is a game. We all aim to make it a copy of RL .. (I think)
It almost as we are Real politicians ad real warriors and sometimes makes as if we are really angry and stuff.

I play this game for entertainment but I put a lot of effort into it.
Contrary to current popular belief ... eSA comes first. I have real reason for most of my ingame antics.
Even if I chant a battle cry against the Evil Argies, or attack all opposing the percieved change we need ... it is NEVER personal.

I Knew beforehand what I might expect from you guys. I got warned by some of the Lazo guys that it will be cold in their camp. They will not trust me as I am RL SA. You guys will go banshee on me as expected. Like you said, peace became boring. I also do not agree with most of the policies of some ppl in office of eSA government. I could stick around and be frustrated by it, or I could try to change it. Change seems more fun at the moment so I stick by my choices.

Like Niff said it is never personal, those taking it too personal is the ones that get unhappy. I enjoy gaffing Niff, cause he is colluding with the enemy, not cause i think Niff is a bad person.

I thought that Marma was having a joke with his avatar, only now realize the reason for the article, ofcourse I will give Marma some lip, i am sure Marma feels more comfortable with he PTO'ers than with us legit cits, can't blame him, "birds of a feather , flock together"

I am not gaffing the Lazo's cause i know they will get butt hurt......and i do not understand their hieroglyphs 🙂

It is legal in the game to have fun, so have fun, if you decide to have fun as a pro-PTO'er then so be it, our fun would be to convince those "Turn coats" to get with the program. And hopefully in the process to not insult anyone personally.

Wow. how many intresting comments i don't know on which one to replay first xD Good morning for the start will do.
now...hm...
First of all, Lazo showed you power in the previouse battles. Why would we folow orders of some incapable and lazy govermant? You yell at as saying we are not legal citizens and you don't give us access to forum but now we are traitors since we didn't hit against uruguay? It;s pretty hypocritical if you ask me.
Second, you branded Niffobti as traitor since he joined Barbarians and party of lazocracy. But you are missing a biger picture here. Niffobti is more African then half of you ( you just don't get his way of playing the game ).
You should ask yourself who is bigger traitor Niffobti or you guys who are from month to month in govermant and you didn't do anything important for this country. You just seet in you chairs and brag how many time you were MoFA, MoD etc. Now insted of braging maybe you should write how many times you did somthing great. We are here more then two months and you didn;t do apsolutly anything worth of mention. You singed two mpps ( lost of one them ). Nice work guys, realy..two mpps...In two months i have saw only three article of gov...one was mod, one was mofa and one was grimstones last word as CP i think. Where does money from taxes goes? i don't see bugget reports. I didn't want to argue with you guys but i have to say what i have. Powerfull serbia accepted us but eSouth Africa won't. What a irony...

sincerly yours, Lazocracy foreing officer. o7

If Serbia likes you so much, why not go back there? You keep bragging about how awesome and "useful" you are, yet here you sit in a small country. If you have so many buddies, go bug them in their countries.

You've got like 50 peons. Can't you pay one of them to double-check your English?

Money for taxes goes to uncontrolled welfare programs were all citizens pay to make a few ppl rich with ill conceived little programs.
Like Henock : "Please donate me tanks as I want to sell it at 10 ZAR ... then he put 1500 Q7 tanks on the market at 11 ZAR... undercutting local producers with government donated tanks. Making a neat profit while doing so.
If you ask about the logic in this, you get branded a right wing radical psychopathic racist.

You were only branded that by Henock himself. You should try having a little more faith in your fellow eSAers.

Volunteers send me the tanks, i did not ask for them. They requested 11 ZAR per tank, was i gonna refuse the opportunity to sell affordable tanks? Im getting ZILCH out of this anyway, the money goes back.

You ARE a racist, your daughter called me a little kaffir. Now, where might she have learned that ?

@ Tifonus, no no no, you got it all wrong you are traitors, cause you did not pay me off, lets not get the facts mixed up here.

SECONDLY, I bet Henock will have exception with your statement that Niff is more African than half of us, but my question is would that mean that the other half is more African than Niff? and is it that half, that is more African than Niff, the ones that has stripped Niff of his access, if so then we are almost on the same page here.

Fourthly, you sai😛 "You should ask yourself who is bigger traitor Niffobti or you guys who are from month to month in govermant and you didn't do anything important for this country." Would that make those that voted for them also traitor, or can we maybe be smaller traitors than them, since we did not get any titles (except Marma, hes got plenty of titles)?

Then zero'ly, What is your stance Mr. PP on the use of multi accounts?

oh lastly, tenthly , the budget, i have been investing our monies in great local bricks of weed, so if you wanted to know why we have been a bit sucky it is : "because we were high, because we are high", and do not start with that, it is a sickness and you should feel sorry for us and give us support (our weed is almost done)

Now that we have cleared the air, wanna be friends? ......since we are now friends and all, friendly advice,do not leave Marma alone in the kitchen, he will raid your beer supply (be glad you do not have Claudio, all i am going to say, for some reason come Wednesday there is no more beer, wtf)

I've seen just as many DBs banned for multis as LAzokrats over the years.

And you supported Tenshibo PTO'ing us.

The fact that Ten, who is a DB member, successfully PTO'ed eSA, without multi's shows you DB is muuuuuch better than the Lazo's who need to take months to build up to do the PTO, DB, simply PTO and succeed. BAM !

Leon are you there ???

Nope he is over there

Rex ... still not sure if you gonna join us or not ... you confused the ce@p out of me with all those big words. 🙂

i am seriously considering to join once the Lazo leadership denounce the use of multi's, then i will PTO the Lazo's : P

The problem is, as is with many other groups that have PTOd is that they only have to reach a certain point (which they have for the most part) where they need multis. They hit a certain number and the multi's are not needed.

I don't mind them here, I just don't like the "Let us in here and give us money" threats.

I tried that

"Niffobti is more African then half of you"

LOL

Niffobti is black 😛

In the famed words of Bilbo Baggins "I don't know half of you half as well as I should like; and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve.”

In the famed words of Mick Jagger: "I see a red door and I want to paint it black. No colors anymore I want them to turn black"

In the famed words of Paris Hilton:"I love Africa in general South Africa and West Africa, they are both great countries."