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the issue is that if pizzas party gets into the top he can run the hungarians hes working with into congress. and that my friend IS a PTO :>

So to uphold rl values, we should allow PTOers to take over the country?

Woxan's dead bro. What you said is sort of like saying that Hitler is still a dangerous threat IRL.

ATO - The opposite of a Political Takeover, an ATO, or Anti-Takeover, involves people working to defeat a political takeover. (eRep Wiki)

it all depends on how many moves ahead you're playing Sam.

>So even relativist ethics cannot justify doing this.

Relativist ethics can justify anything. Come back when you have the ability to speak with shitting out of your mouth at the same time.

"Come back when you have the ability to speak with shitting out of your mouth at the same time."

Is this how you speak?

"What you said is sort of like saying that Hitler is still a dangerous threat IRL."

Bobbie boy, is not the "sees" an extension of Hitler's belief's and the player's playing are real people. There roleplaying is keeping Hitler's legacy alive, IRL.

Stop saying stuff like this. He is a threat because he could get Top 5, get into Congress, and allow an immigration storm.

@twisted pixel - an illegal or immoral move is just that, no matter how many moves ahead you think you are. AJ's article implies that our party fell prey to blackmail. When I was on IRC, everyone just froze up and defended the deed. No one defended the integrity or the intelligence of the voters. Necessity in the national interest, you know. No - not necessary. Emerick is a bully, and I thought we had more class than that. If you have a smoking gun, show me, but at this point, all I read is platitudes and childish arrogance. Like we're doing this, Dad, 'cause we can. Is that the way to play this game ?

I have to confess that I had not read this article either when I went onto the Federalist IRC to complain, or when I wrote this article.

http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/sees-election-plans-vote-porter-in-the-republicans--1367310/1/20" target="_blank">http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/sees[..]1/20

From the Federalist point of view, it does appear as if the fix was in before reset last night, which might explain why the vote count in favor of Greene12 was so lopsided. Or maybe not everyone got the word until this morning. Either way, it stinks to high heaven and my complaint stands as is.

It's indeed sad that our country has sunk to this. :/

I'll repeat what I wrote in another article -

I don't know...why can't the dirty parties do the dirty work. I thought the Feds took pride in their elections. I thought they stood against taking part in these sort of things.

I am by no means of fan of Pizza, his goals or his way of playing this game..however..this is just another example of how corrupt our political system is, and how it's based on nothing more than a popularity contest..or in this case, an UNpopularity contest.

If you can't defeat someone in the court of public opinion...just use game mechanics...that's easier.

signed,

An ashamed eAmerican Federalist.

and I'll add - Thanks for having the courage to write this, Sam.

All I can say is that I am ashamed of this article and how selfish and uninformed you are both IRL and in game.

As far as being uninformed. I can read, and so can anyone else, too. Here, actually, is the formal threat made by SEES, which seeks to intimidate the Federalist Party if it does not go along with the PTO of the Republicans

http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/an-elaborate-plan-elaborated1-1367594/1/20" target="_blank">http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/an-e[..]/1/20

I don't know if you read that article thoroughly or if you just skimmed it, but um

"We exclude the Feds because they are bro"

They aren't targeting the Feds. The Feds are accepting responsibility to combat a known threat to the security of this nation.

Get off your high horse and learn your eUS history.

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@Angelini: Depends on how you read it. The exact quote is this:

"We exclude the Feds because they are bro ❤ If all goes well, nothing happens and you can all move on and plan for Kongress elections. But if you don't want to help in the Republican Party TO, might want to find a new party. Your party will be TO'ed without remorse and then either given to someone who will make the party worth something or we will keep it and expand our empire. Choice is yours."

So the implication is that if the Federalists don't go along, the threat applies to them as well. I think it is irrational to imagine that the Feds are any more patriotic (e.g. "brohearted&quot😉 than the other parties. There are some interesting things going out outside the Republican Party dustup - for example, CivilAnarchy is running for Libertarian PP and using the same "national security argument" to justify HIS PTO.

http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/a-matter-of-survival-1367266/1/20" target="_blank">http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/a-ma[..]1/20

Does Emerick support that PTO ? NO HE DOES NOT. His words, not mine:

"I want to like this, but something tells me that it's going to suck."

Which, unpacked, means he doesn't control it and it might actually help the people of the country and strengthen their democracy. Certainly, I find anarchosyndicalliberarianism to be an interesting idea, though I'm an Establishment man in my heart of hearts.

I actually do want to see SPF take the Libs, but I don't really see much happening from it

Samuel...someday I hope you take the time to learn how this game works.

For now, however, please stop telling people you're a Federalist. There is nothing about our party that you like and you do absolutely nothing to try and 'improve it.' You are free to keep sitting on the sidelines bitching and moaning, but you cross a very serious line when you start targeting our new members that don't yet understand all of the game mechanics.

You have chosen to live in ignorance but you have no right to make that choice for others.

Let them learn this game so they can do well.

Fingerguns, why cannot I call the former AAP the Applied Apathy Party? Please, a teachable moment, I merely want to run for congress, I got censored by Fionia for my statement. I am living in "ignorance", why can I not speak the truth and at the sametime run for congress?

Fingerguns, you have no limits, so anyone with any decency is bad to you.

@fingerguns - given the attitude that many of the party leaders have taken towards me, it would be easy, and very wrong to just quit and take my ball to play elsewhere. Although I was mad as a hornet, I did not insult anyone on the IRC today, and I did not go
out of my to be rude to anyone. I did not use vulgarity, and have
never done so in this game. It would be good if you and Emerick
could make that claim. Jesus said, "it is not what goes into a person's mouth that defiles them, but what comes out of their mouth". So there is simply this. If you want to work with me, and you want me to work with you, you need to show some respect. It is as simple as that. Otherwise, you are in the same boat as Emerick, just another punk trying to impose your demands on another player. I am willing to work things out, but the outcome must be reasonable and it must be fair. I've played this game for nine months now, and so I am hardly a "newbie" - so you can lose the argument that I don't know what I'm talking about.

Samuel, if you don't understand how preventing a PTO threat is more important than voting in an election that has already been decided by the free will of the party members, then...you don't get it.

If you think there is something wrong with protecting this nation from someone with a long track record of PTOs, then you don't get it.

If you think Ajay is harmless, you don't get it.

Don't give me all that about respect. Have respect for the Federalist Party and learn what we're about before you join/start complaining.

I'm not a punk, I haven't listened to Rancid in years.

Why should I listen to someone complaining about how everyone else is destroying America while you yourself are still in Virgina /Facepalm If you want to HELP the US then move to Karnataka like a responsible American, then MAYBE I'll listen to what you have to say.

We judge people by where they live?....good information, thanks. I'll add that to my growing list of reasons to leave this game.

It's you children that are not seeing the bigger picture.

@Tristan Myza (and others) - I think this exchange is an excellent demonstration of why we have a problem here, and what needs to change to fix that problem. I think you might benefit from reading this later article which I wrote a few hours ago, after doing this one.

http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/how-you-play-the-game-1368794/1/20" target="_blank">http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/how-[..]1/20

Anyone who even has even bother to follow my career in this game understands (or at least has heard about) my position on fortress states. It has gone well past the point where rational discussion or democratic debate is possible. As a hard-boiled realist, I do look for rational explanations, not just emotional responses, as to why this is so. But the political atmosphere in the eUSA is so sickened, so perverted, that it is no longer possible even to understand the basics. You have, in effect, thousands of players who are allowing themselves to be subjected to brainwashing, all for the little meagre baubles of game points and so that the other players don't shout them down. I know who AJ is and what he stands for. He's a bad guy, not a good guy. He's just as immature and mean as the people who are willing to go to these depths to undermine him. It is all very sick and disgusting. We must break this chain somehow, if we are to progress as a nation, and if we are to make this game a better experience for the many. That is why this fight is important, and why we need to keep it up here and now. Yes, there are principles at stake, but there are also consequences for what we do and what we fail to do.

This game will not be a better experience for people by having Ajay and his cronies opening the floodgates for foreign enemies.