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DANNISH TAX FRAUD OR ADMINS FAIL ?? MAYBE IN OTHER COUNTRIES TOO ?? (GR/EN)

Day 2,138, 00:32 Published in Poland Poland by Maj. Dimitrios Kaslas

Αγαπητοί αναγνώστες και πολίτες του eRepublik καλημέρα σας.

Με αφορμή τις τελευταίες αυξήσεις σε μισθούς που έχουν γίνει σε μεροκάματα
λόγω των αποστολών που έχει βγάλει το παιχνίδι, παρατηρήθηκε μια ανάλογη
αύξηση στον φόρο του Work as a Manager.

Ξεκινήσαμε λοιπόν να βρούμε χώρες με υψηλά bonus παραγωγικότητας
και σχετικά χαμηλούς μισθούς άρα και χαμηλό Work as a Manager tax,
προκειμένου να φτιαχτεί ένα άρθρο που να βοηθάει παίχτες να παράγουν
τα προϊόντα τους πληρώνοντας όσο το δυνατόν λιγότερα χρήματα ως
φόρο για να δουλέψουν τις εταιρείες τους και ταυτόχρονα να τους βοηθά
να μαζέψουν φθηνά μεροκάματα για να δουλέψουν μελλοντικά τις εταιρείες
τους, όταν θα έχουν πάρει cs σε μία χώρα με μεγάλα bonus παραγωγής.

Πρόθεσή μας ήταν να εξετάσουμε σε ποιές χώρες αξίζει να μεταφερθεί
κάποιος και να έχει το μεγαλύτερο ποσοστό κέρδους από την παραγωγή
του μέσω χαμηλότερου κόστους.

Με μεγάλη έκπληξη ανακαλύψαμε ότι υπάρχουν χώρες στις οποίες o μέσος
μισθός (με βάση τον οποίο υπολογίζεται το Work Tax) ήταν ΤΡΑΓΙΚΑ
μεγαλύτερος από τους τρέχοντες μισθούς αυτούς της αγοράς !!

Σας παραθέτω το παράδειγμα της Δανίας:

Μία χώρα με ΜΟΛΙΣ 216 πολίτες και 1 bonus παραγωγής!!



Θεωρητικά θα έπρεπε να έχει πολύ χαμηλά μεροκάματα αφού ΕΛΑΧΙΣΤΟΙ
θα ήταν αυτοί που θα είχαν εταιρείες στην χώρα αυτή λόγω του μικρού
αριθμού πολιτών...

Κοιτάζοντας λοιπόν την αγορά εργασίας είδαμε ότι οι προσφορές
στο Job Market εκτός από λίγες (ούτε μια σελίδα), ήταν και
σχετικά χαμηλές.



Πηγαίνοντας όμως να δούμε στην σελίδα των οικονομικών στοιχείων
του κράτους...

ΕΚΠΛΗΞΗ !!!!



Ενώ το μέγιστο μεροκάματο που προσφέρεται εκεί είναι ΜΟΛΙΣ 12cc
το Average Wage EINAI 31.45cc !!!



ΑΠΙΣΤΕΥΤΟ !!!!

Αναρωτηθήκαμε πως μπορεί να συμβαίνει κάτι τέτοιο..
Κοιτάζοντας το Update του παιχνιδιού σχετικά με το Work Tax

Day 2088 - Income Tax Replaced by Work Tax


διαβάζοντας το συγκεκριμένο κομμάτι πιο προσεκτικά είδαμε ότι:




Πως λοιπόν δικαιολογείται αυτή η διαφορά ?
Με ένα μόνο τρόπο !!

Η κυβέρνηση ή κάποια άτομα που ελέγχουν το Υπουργείο Οικονομικών,
έχουν πάρει άτομα στις εταιρείες που έχουν με μισθούς χιλιάδων cc
ημερησίως, προκειμένου να ανεβάσουν τεχνητά τον μέσο όρο με βάση
τον οποίο υπολογίζεται το Work Tax της χώρας !!

Έχοντας ένα άτομο που να ελέγχει τα Οικονομικά του κράτους,
προφανώς επιστρέφουν μέσω donation από τα κρατικά ταμεία ή μέσω
και κάποιων org, τον φόρο που αναλογεί σε αυτά τα ΠΟΛΥ ΥΨΗΛΑ
μεροκάματα στον συνεργάτη τους !!

Ο λόγος που δεν φαίνεται αυτό στο Job Market, είναι γιατί
δεν βγάζουν προσφορές χιλιάδων cc εκεί, αλλά πάνε και αλλάζουν
το μεροκάματο ενός εργάτη που ήδη δουλεύει για αυτούς !!

Έτσι όχι μόνο, δεν κινδυνεύουν από το να δεί κάποιος ξαφνικά
εξωφρενικά μεροκάματα σε μια χώρα με μόλις 1 BONUS, αλλά
ταυτόχρονα ανεβάζουν δραματικά τα έσοδα της χώρας από τους
φόρους λέγοντας στους πολίτες ότι έχουν φόρο μόλις 1% !!

Μήπως όμως συμβαίνει το ίδιο και σε άλλες χώρες που ξαφνικά
παρουσιάζουν ΠΑΡΑ ΠΟΛΥ ΥΨΗΛΟ μέσο όρο καθαρών ημερομισθίων
που δεν φαίνεται να αντιστοιχεί στο μέσο όρο 30 ημερών των
ΚΑΘΑΡΩΝ μισθών των πολιτών διαιρεμένων δια του συνόλου των
managers ??


ΥΠΑΡΧΕΙ ΕΔΩ ΕΝΑ ΤΕΡΑΣΤΙΟ ΚΕΝΟ ΣΤΟΝ ΥΠΟΛΟΓΙΣΜΟ ΤΟΥ ΦΟΡΟΥ !!

ΠΡΟΤΕΙΝΟΥΜΕ ΝΑ ΥΠΟΛΟΓΙΖΕΤΑΙ ΤΟ AVERAGE WAGE ΑΠΟ ΤΙΣ ΚΑΘΑΡΕΣ
ΑΠΟΛΑΒΕΣ ΠΟΥ ΠΡΟΚΥΠΤΟΥΝ ΜΟΝΟ ΑΠΟ ΤΙΣ ΠΡΟΣΦΟΡΕΣ ΣΤΟ JOB MARKET !!




- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - !! UPDATE !! - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -


Πριν από λίγο σχολίασαν στα comments ότι κάτι τέτοιο δοκίμαζαν
και στην e-USA για να δουν αν και κατά πόσο μπορεί να χειραγωγηθεί
το Work Tax !!

http://prntscr.com/1ts31g

;)

Έτσι ανακαλύφθηκε και εκείνο το πρόβλημα με το treasury του κράτους
που έγινε τόσος ντόρος, γιατί ενώ έδιναν τα τεράστια μεροκάματα
στους εργάτες με τον τρόπο που περιέγραψα, τα χρήματα από τους
φόρους δεν πήγαιναν πίσω στα κρατικά ταμεία με αποτέλεσμα αυτοί
που το επιχειρούσαν να έχουν τεράστιες απώλειες σε cc....

Τελικά το πρόβλημα λύθηκε αφού το παιχνίδι διόρθωσε το coding error
http://prntscr.com/1ts6bg


Τα συμπεράσματα δικά σας !!!







Dear readers and citizens of eRepublik good morning .

In response to the recent increases in salaries made ​​in wages,
(because of the type of missions that the game has introduced),
there was a similar increase in toll Work as a Manager.

Both these reasons including the increase in WRM and FRM has
given us the idea to create an article about ways to of lowering
the player's production costs.

So we started to look for countries with high productivity bonus,
relatively low employee wages and a low "Work as a Manager" tax,
in order to build an article that helps players to produce more
products, paying wages as little as possible and help them to work
their companies.

Our intention was to examine which countries are worth to get
a Citizenship in, for someone to go there either work their
companies or accumulate work hours with the minimum possible
costs.

With great surprise we discovered that there are countries where
the average salary (based on which the Work Tax is calculated)
was TRAGICALLY greater than their current salaries these market !

Here is the example of such a country, DENMARK !!!

A country with ONLY 216 people and 1 bonus production !



Theoretically it should have very low wages since very there
are almost NO bonusses and surely very few people posting work
places in the market due to the VERY LOW country population..

So by looking at the labor market we indeed saw that bids in
the Job Market were as we expected, very few (not even a whole
a page) and relatively low in cc.



But by going to see the page of the financial data of DENMARK..

SURPRISE !!



While the maximum wages offered there is JUST 12cc
the Average Wage IS 31.45cc!!!



UNBELIEVABLE ! !

We wondered how can this happen ..
Looking at the game's Update on Work Tax

Day 2088 - Income Tax Replaced by Work Tax


Reading this piece more carefully we saw that:




So how do we justify this difference ?
With just one way !

The government or a person controlling the Ministry of Finance,
has people working in companies paying them thousands of cc
daily, in order to artificially raise the average wages, based
on which the Work Tax the country is calculated !!

It is VERY IMPORTANT to have a person controlling the economy of
the country, bacause there should be someone whith access to the
treasur or government Orgs to refund the money witheld from taxing
through donations to their partner !!

The reason why this is not showing in the Job Market, is because
they do not post offers for thousands of cc there, but they instead
they just change the wages of a worker who already works for them !!

So not only they avoid the risk of someone seeing thes outrageous
wages for a country with just 1 BONUS but they also avoid someone
who is outside this deal to go and get one of those job offers!!

By doing this, a country can at the same time dramatically raise
it's income from company owners but can also say to people that
they have ONLY just 1 % tax !!

Could this be the case why, strangely in some countries
the average net wage is too high and doesn't appear
to correspond to the 30 day average of NET wages of citizens,
divided by the total number of people worked ??


IS THIS TRUE ?
CAN THIS BE HAPPENING TO OTHER COUNTRIES TOO ??

ARE GOVERNMENTS USING THIS DIRTY TRICK TO GET MORE MONEY
OUT OF OUR POCKETS ??

THE CONCLUSIONS ARE YOURS !!


THERE IS A HUGE GAP IN THE CALCULATION OF THE AVERAGE WAGE !!

WE SUGGEST THAT THE AVERAGE WAGE WILL BE CALCULATED ONLY FROM
THE NET JOB MARKET OFFERS TO PROTECT CITIZENS AND BUSINESSMEN
FROM "HIDDEN" OVER-TAXING !!!


- - - - - - - - - - - !! UPDATE !! - - - - - - - - - - - -


A little while ago someone replied on the comments that this
tactic was tested many times by e-USA gov to see if and how
the Work Tax can be manipulated !!

http://prntscr.com/1ts31g

;)

So a problem with the treasury of the State was discovered
for which so much fuss was made, because while their Government
gave huge wages to specific workers in the manner described,
the money from the Work Tax were not going back to the eUSA
treasury.

That created huge losses in cc for the people who attempted it....

Eventually the problem was solved after the game corrected the
coding errors....
http://prntscr.com/1ts6bg

CAN WORK TAX MANIPULATION HAPPEN ?
IS IT HAPPENING AS WE SPEAK IN COUNTRIES AROUND THE e-WORLD ?


The conclusion is yours!





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Comments

Wolfenstain
Wolfenstain Day 2,138, 00:48

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EpiCourious
EpiCourious Day 2,138, 00:51

haha nice, voted

Makedonas GR
Makedonas GR Day 2,138, 00:52

Πααααρα πολυ καλο, μπραβο!!

alpho
alpho Day 2,138, 00:52

Interesting idea. Thank you for pointing this out.

eQuBit
eQuBit Day 2,138, 00:58

v

dimikala
dimikala Day 2,138, 00:59

V

Panikk
Panikk Day 2,138, 00:59

Old news are old. The funny thing in all this, is that you cannot force someone to pay a maximum salary.

Maj. Dimitrios Kaslas
Maj. Dimitrios Kaslas Day 2,138, 01:02

I guess you didn't understand the article...
THE GOVERNMENT STEALS MONEY THROUGH FAKE RAISE IN WORK TAX !!

NOBODY FORCES ANYONE TO DO IT, THEY DO IT THEMSELVES !!

Panikk
Panikk Day 2,138, 01:04

Ask for more info about the specific goverment/eDanish etc and then you will understand a lot

Maj. Dimitrios Kaslas
Maj. Dimitrios Kaslas Day 2,138, 01:05

I think that by looking the "average wage" in many countries you will understand what I mean...

Panikk
Panikk Day 2,138, 01:07

I got what you mean 100%. You didn't got what i wrote Check out the eDanish.

Maj. Dimitrios Kaslas
Maj. Dimitrios Kaslas Day 2,138, 01:09

I see other countries too with very high "average wage" too

; )

ilphen
ilphen Day 2,138, 01:59

You are incorrect. It's not fake it's a government program to support the players, because with the usual wages they wouldnt be able to survive a single day in this game. The only people who are hit by that are the ones who are NOT working for us in the program, and those are random PTO people mainly.
I'm sorry if your multi doesn't do so well in Denmark.

Maj. Dimitrios Kaslas
Maj. Dimitrios Kaslas Day 2,138, 02:31

First of all i don't have multies,
in Denmark or anywhere else...

Probably you have multies or your friends..

Now look at the title of the article !!
Edit Delete
"DANNISH TAX FRAUD OR ADMINS FAIL ??"

Now secondly AND MOST IMPORTAND !!
You are actually saying that it is possible for a government
to raise the taxes exactly the way i decribed in the article,
because that is EXACTLY what you do AND IT WORKS !!!

And FINALLY,
even if that's the case and you meant no harm,
you actually say that countries CAN use this
"FRAUD" to raise the WORK TAX in a way that it
doesn't show to the citizens of the country...

I THINK THAT IT IS TIME FOR THE ADMINS TO STEP IN
AND PUT A LIMIT TO THE WAGES THAT A PERSON CAN
GIVE TO AN EMPLOYEE TO AVOID THIS BEEING DONE
BY OTHER GOVERNMENTS TO "STEAL" PEOPLE'S MONEY
THIS WAY !!

Piolun
Piolun Day 2,138, 03:28

Maj. Dimitros Kaslas IMO it should stay as it is now, its cool when we have more tools to cheat each other
I cant wait to first major flame about goverment stealing our moniez :>

Maj. Dimitrios Kaslas Day 2,138, 04:44

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Piolun
Piolun Day 2,138, 07:27

Yup. For me its just another option of changing Work Tax, even more accurate (ex. you pay 0,11 for 1%, and goverment want to change taxes to 0,15. They cant set 1,5%, but they can increase average salary.).

Also this make rescourceturism a little harder, since you have to calculate it yourself instead of looking just at %.

Crazy Ivann
Crazy Ivann Day 2,138, 01:01

για δες κάτι πράγματα....

F4ramir
F4ramir Day 2,138, 01:03

ws melontikos oikonomologos ... I APROOVE


v

AstaldoTheVala
AstaldoTheVala Day 2,138, 01:04

v τι ψάχνεις και τελικά τι βρίσκεις! lol

costin1989
costin1989 Day 2,138, 01:07

in many countries it is the opposite situation. UM's factories pay the minimun salary and the average one is lower.

Maj. Dimitrios Kaslas
Maj. Dimitrios Kaslas Day 2,138, 01:10

This article is about dishonest governments not the honest ones...

Piolun
Piolun Day 2,138, 03:29

But his comment is about dishonest citizens, not the goverments.

Maj. Dimitrios Kaslas Day 2,138, 04:44

Comment deleted

vasspana
vasspana Day 2,138, 01:08

great fraud investigator!!!

voted

kthniatros
kthniatros Day 2,138, 01:10

νόμος είναι το δίκιο του εργάτη...oh wait

Maj. Dimitrios Kaslas
Maj. Dimitrios Kaslas Day 2,138, 01:12

LOOOOOOOL

St.Stefanos
St.Stefanos Day 2,138, 01:17

Great article! Great ideas and investigation! Good job!

Niemand
Niemand Day 2,138, 01:18

Could be corrupt government and/or admin's failure.

Voted!

GreekPlanner
GreekPlanner Day 2,138, 01:19

Ενδιαφέρον. Ευχαριστούμε για τις πολύτιμες πληροφορίες του τι μπορεί να κάνουν στις κυβερνήσεις.
Για πες μας στην Ελλάδα που μας ενδιαφέρει τι γίνεται?
Να ανησυχούμε ή όχι?

Maj. Dimitrios Kaslas
Maj. Dimitrios Kaslas Day 2,138, 01:22

Τι να σου πω εγω ?
Εγω για την Δανια λεω !!

Μπορει να συμβαινει και σε αλλες χωρες,
αυτα πρεπει να τα παρακολουθουν οι πολιτες
της καθε χωρας, δεν ειναι δυνατον να το κανω
εγω μονος μου..

GreekPlanner
GreekPlanner Day 2,138, 10:40

Είπα μήπως το είχες ερευνήσει το θέμα μια και είμαστε στην Ελλάδα και λογικά μας αφορά περισσότερο τι γίνεται εδώ.
Μας άνοιξες πάντως τα μάτια! Ευχαριστούμε.

Maj. Dimitrios Kaslas Day 2,138, 04:45

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ankouts
ankouts Day 2,138, 01:23

V o7

Kaad
Kaad Day 2,138, 01:23

Voted!

kthniatros
kthniatros Day 2,138, 01:32

Ρε τι φορομπήχτες που'ναι αυτοί οι δανοί, πάρτε το στέμμα τους και σφηνώστε το εκεί που πρέπει, το κακό πρέπει να χτυπηθεί στη ρίζα του

Δανία; Ευτιχισμένο το 2015 ρε

Thersitis
Thersitis Day 2,138, 01:32

V

Delijohn
Delijohn Day 2,138, 01:39

Amazing job mate!
Nice investigation sherlock!

Vrilissia7
Vrilissia7 Day 2,138, 01:45

= V =

iphicratis
iphicratis Day 2,138, 01:50

voted

Whitie1971
Whitie1971 Day 2,138, 01:55

+1

ilphen
ilphen Day 2,138, 01:57

It's not fraud, it's a communist program, people get paid by the state in order to have more money so they can actually pay for some weapons/foods.
We've had this program before the tax was introduced, so I see no reason to call it fraud. Also the wages aren't 1k cc, its about 70cc. And we did not do with the intention to raise thework tax.

HonoreDeBalzac
HonoreDeBalzac Day 2,138, 02:12

1% aint communist program. Its far right policy. (-1)
The redistribution of the taxes to the citizens is communist policy (+1)

1% is a "showcase" tax, because you artificially increase the cost/click for wam.

According to the article 3,14cc cost click for wam is extremely too high.

I dont believe that 3,14 for wam is sustainable for non wealthy citizens. If the citizens dont earn the 70cc you claim, this so call program its the definition of theft!

Edelmann
Edelmann Day 2,138, 04:02

1% of 31.45cc is how much again?

Maj. Dimitrios Kaslas Day 2,138, 02:22

Comment deleted

Maj. Dimitrios Kaslas
Maj. Dimitrios Kaslas Day 2,138, 02:24

ANYWAY !!

Even if that's the case and you meant no harm,
you actually say that countries CAN use this
"FRAUD" to raise the WORK TAX in a way that it
doesn't show to the citizens of the country...


I THINK THAT IT IS TIME FOR THE ADMINS TO STEP IN
AND PUT A LIMIT TO THE WAGES THAT A PERSON CAN
GIVE TO AN EMPLOYEE TO AVOID THIS BEEING DONE
BY OTHER GOVERNMENTS TO "STEAL" PEOPLE'S MONEY
THIS WAY !!

Gucio
Gucio Day 2,138, 02:45

I think it looks hilarious when someone has totally no knowledge about the country and yet makes an article and whines about it or blames the admins. In the end someone has to look a bit silly and imo its not admins or Denmark in this case.

Maj. Dimitrios Kaslas
Maj. Dimitrios Kaslas Day 2,138, 02:53

Dear Guccio and admins,

the president of DENMARK admitted IN PUBLIC !!
that they actually do what i say in the article.
AND IT CAN RAISE THE AVERAGE WAGE of a country
in a very "sneaky" way if done by governments who
want to make more money from the citizens without
them knowing it !!

Apart from the fact that this is a MONOPOLY practice
that excludes all businessmen from the Danish Job Market,
it could be something dangerous in the "wrong" hands..

I propose that the game should put a limit in increases
of wages in a country..

For example:
You can raise your current employees salary
30% from the top Job Offer in the Market...

Gucio
Gucio Day 2,138, 03:15

Dear Dimitrios and Dimitrios,

The CP of Denmark has informed you about a program that takes plqce in Denmark. Not some made up tax fraud as you called it.
It seema like you havent been in a small ecountry, hence you dont have much knowledge on how things work. The program is for the Danish citizens so they obviously benefit from it as they are the ones that get the money.
Generally military programs dont work in small countries as there isnt enough people to fight, at a certain time like in bigger countries. Hence, a program requiring people to work once a day is perfect (as you can obviously work at any time during the day).
FINALLY my opinion about this article stay the same.

Maj. Dimitrios Kaslas
Maj. Dimitrios Kaslas Day 2,138, 03:22

This doesn't change the FACT that there is a GAP in the work tax
calculation and that IT IS PROVEN by FACTS that it DOES RAISE
the work tax that citizens are required to pay to the government....

If such a tactic was implemented in a country with many companies
like Serbia, China, Poland how would the citizens be protected by
a FAKE average wage raise ???

Maybe you should make the work tax out of the Job offers made
in the JOB MARKET and NOT wages in general ???

 
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