Dáil Éireann: One Man’s Futility Is Another Man’s Wet Willie
Arjay Phoenician III
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When I told my fellow members of the Dáil Éireann that I was started a thread for Congressional discussion at eIrish University, I got more than my share of rolling eyes. Oh my freaking Dio, Arjay, the national forum is dead for a reason: No one ever goes there. No one bothers. It’s a waste of time to start another forum thread. You know this already, why are you doing this if no one is going to show up?
My answer is, because I feel compelled to try.
When I was elected last week, I thought for sure, after our short hiatus, there would be more enthusiasm for our Congress, and the first-timers would rush over to the dead national forum, get on the Dáil Éireann section, and say, here we are, now what do we do? It wasn’t until I wrote about my disappointment in the lack of action within our Congressional community that I got a few answers to my questions, to which I was given the old IF YOU HAD JUST SHUT UP AND BEEN PATIENT, WE WOULD HAVE GOTTEN AROUND TO TELLING YOU.
I cringe if that’s what counts for Irish leadership on the Congressional level, to deflate a first-timer’s enthusiasm by telling him to sit down and shut up until they get around to doing their thing.
The fact that there is no national forum worthy of the title in this country, I understand it, even if I don’t like it. It was sort of a community decision, as seems to be the case with smaller countries around the world. There’s no point in wasting time registering at a forum no one goes to, no one is obliged, everyone can get their information through the newspapers and shouts, and Congress can do its business through group mail.
That’s all well and good, but where’s the transparency?
I mean, this is a game world. We didn’t get elected to some super-duper-double-double-secret organization where we need retina scans to get into the room. We’re not dealing with triple-classified information here. It’s not like I could tell you what we do, but then I’d have to kill you. What’s so damn important that we can’t have a little public discussion?
Oh yeah, because no one cares, Arjay.
Nope. I cannot buy that.
I’m not going to be part of a group that thinks, for whatever reason, it has to segregate itself from the rest of the country. None of us EARNED our Congressional medals. We were picked by our Party Presidents to be put nearer the top of the list, the voters voted for the parties, and game mechanics did the rest. None of us campaigned (well, I did, but that’s another story). Thus, none of us has earned the privilege of closed-door status.
At last check, there are 422 Irish citizens. 29 of them are Congressmen. I am not going to fully honor a status quo that excludes over 90% of Irish citizens from the process. I am a lot of things, but I am not an elitist, and I don’t want our Dáil to be seen as a place where the same two-dozen knuckleheads get in every month, close the door, make deals the rest of the country has to live with, and you generally won’t know about them until after they’ve run their course and possibly screwed up this country even more.
Had I seen more articles on what we’ve been discussing in the group mail, perhaps a point would have been made about keeping the public in the know. Where are they?
I simply will not subscribe to the notion that, because the national forum is a ghost town, there is no one in the country who gives a damn what their semi-elected leaders do with themselves. With only 422 citizens, leadership in this country is in no position to just write off everyone as apathetic.
So I started a simple Dáil Éireann thread. No one in Congress should feel compelled to come along, although they are certainly invited. I plan to take the general discussions we have and post them so other Irishmen can see what we’re talking about. No, I don’t plan to post the super-duper-duper top-secret stuff, but what have we really discussed so far? There was no discussion on the impeachment proposal or the MPP with the US, those occurred before the group mails started. What are we talking about these days?
It’s on the thread. Here’s what you do if you want to go there:
1. Click on the banner for eIrish University, or go to http://eireland-university.freeforums.net/.
2. Go to the School of Political Science. It’s located in the eRepublik University Irish Campus section. The Dáil Éireann thread is there.
And that’s it. That’s all the trouble you have to go through. Register if you want, it’s pretty quick, but no one’s holding a gun to your head.
I don’t care if just one or two Irishmen go to the thread and chime in. That’s one or two more Irishmen than the current understanding of mutual apathy would have produced.
At the end of the day, it may be that no one shows up, and there’s going to be plenty of Congressmen who will sneer at me and give me a big fat WE TOLD YOU SO, and they’ll make it as obnoxious as they possibly can. It will be like the wettest Wet Willie they could stick in my ear. They’ll remind me what a waste of time it was for me to think there’s some number of Irish citizens out there who really would like to know what we talk about.
And I’ll remind them it’s my time to waste. I’d rather use it being idealistic and hopeful instead of jaded and sarcastic. I’d rather try to find a handful of people who are looking for a little activity than just write them all off as apathetic.
It bugs me how national leadership could ever consider such a pursuit, whether it bears fruit or not, a waste.
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You make a valid point. It may be easier to communicate by mass PM and IRC for those who do not visit the forum, but transparency is clearly lacking. Just because it is a representative government, that doesn't make it appropriate to do everything behind closed doors, as it were. How does the public know who deserves their votes if they don't know what anybody has been doing?
Actually, a mass PM is often an absolute necessity for representative democracy in eRep: Forums and IRC meetings can be missed, votes taken without due notice. With a mechanics-based approach, there is little to no chance of that.
The cost is immediate transparency, but that generally is remedied by the open opinions of the representatives at any rate.
I get your point. I for one would enjoying knowing what my congressmen are up to. If they are deciding on thing that impact me, I want to know what they are.
Does that make me a hippy? Maybe...
Have you tried asking them? 😛
"I’d rather use it being idealistic and hopeful instead of jaded and sarcastic."
^ This.
There aren't 422 Irish
There's well under 200
he's probably counting the multiple accounts
on the ranking there shows 422.
While half of them are dead.
we have dead citizens!!!!![insert dramatic mood music here]
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AjmabC65zRKcdEVaX2dBMzV2eWdrN09tOWlKS3V4NWc#gid=0
I guess one of the requirements for transparency is that there is something to show, currently in the last few terms I have been in congress there has been very little to discuss, with anything important being posted by the CP after it has been discussed.
considering you were walking dead CP season 2.....i belive you.
If you log off for your entire term you would do more job then you actually did....
There's not a ton to discuss.
We have the peace agreement with the eUK, finally. We are fighting for allies. We are rebuilding the treasury.
Hopefully, it's going to be a slow month with just a few routine MPP renewals. Things have been wild the last few months, and I don't mind having a bit of a lull. Our nation has earned a bit of respite.
If you're looking for a project, then come up with a community event for the month. Maybe some sort of "Christmas in July" or any theme you can think of.
A drinking contest perhaps, but we'd have to make Kurgan a judge instead of a contestant, especially if we're using the holy Guinness.
A respite to rest and rearm is good. If it turns into an excuse to do nothing and not reclaim the rest of our enation, then it's not good.
Dail members can always give updates on their discussions. Government releases updates everyso often on their own progress. If there is an opinion that sinister shady backroom dealings are ongoing, then you seriously overestimate the ambitions of the Dail.
And the interest level of most of it's members :/
You mean they seriously overestimate the power of the Dail.
I only read to about half of the thread. arjay 's first thread i discounted as it could have been that they didnt create the mass mail yet. however this is now a few days into the congress.certainly by this time the few bumps in the road should have been sorted out. i understand bhane's attitude but certainly we have a congress for a reason or is everything just decided in the irc channel of the cp's party? [insert dramatic mood music here]
Nothing has been "decided" yet this term. Today's MPP was discussed in the congress thread, but that's all that has happened. We are just going about the business as usual of the country. MoF is building the treasury. MoD is setting strike orders. These kind of things do not require TD debate and approval.
Just because not much is happening in the TD message, it doesn't mean there are back room deals happening. Sometimes there is genuinely nothing happening in the nation. We are a very small country, after all. And this game is not so deep that there is very much to micromanage.
Sometimes "no news is good news."
yes but they are not involved in government???
The thread is active, people. You're more than welcome to see for yourselves.
well you did earn a place in congress. You were placed up because you weren't just a new member, but you seemed enthusiastic about the dail and have been very active. There are a lot of reasons the list is decided as it is, and if you hadn't been/done what you have the past couple months then we would have placed you further down.
Other than that I do agree with much of what you are saying. Occasionally I release my voting stance on the month's proposals.
It would be nice if a form were filled by various congressmen that stated what they would and wouldn't vote yes to. But as far as public discussion like what you're speaking of, good luck finding it in any enation. I haven't seen it yet.
The public discussion is important, but so is the transparency. Even if no one takes us up on the offer for discussion, we have to have an outlet for citizens to look in and see what we're doing, what proposals are up for a vote, who is active. I don't think that's a whole to ask from your legislature.
In defence of irish congress....there is no reason for congress to be open to public since most congressmen are useless congress medal hunters who accepted humiliation of Ireland by Sweet.
And if we add a fact that is british congress and british government that control "irish government" less we know less reasons to feel, already huge, shame.
Domagojvu II with his 5 congressmen who had guts to act like real irish and tried to return some honor and spine to Ireland that majority in congress sold for congress medal...
Well put...I look forward to your vision for eIreland
Arjay, the Dáil barely does anything and everything the government does is reported. It looks to the game mechanics roles that it has been given by the admins, and those are distinctly limited. Many congresspeople do make their feelings on votes perfectly clear to the public in either articles or comments in relevant articles.
And I've seen how many of those articles since the Dail was reinstated? Other than mine?
There's been nothing to make an article about, the only thing to go through Dail has been a couple of normal MPP's
Adriano is right, so far the Dáil work has been exceedingly boring.
Arjay, I think you may not appreciate how improvements to in-game communications have actually made our current system more transparent and accessible. Every elected congress representative these days is included in a mass mail and exposed to the issues (whether there be many or few) whether they take the initiative or not.
As for the public's insight into Dail workings, they can always look right here:
http://www.erepublik.com/en/country-administration/Ireland/1
And for those issues that are still being discussed but haven't yet materialized as a proposal:
1. Under some circumstances I do think it's better to keep issues and developments to a limited circle - either for strategic reasons or so that decision makers can talk openly without the risk of negatively impacting foreign relations.
2. For those issues that are not sensitive, the onus is on congress members themselves to be transparent and inform the public if they wish. There have been some sparse examples of congress members doing this though I agree it would be nice to see more opinions and updates coming from congress members.
I can appreciate this may seem rather dull to a new congress member, but frankly if you have something to discuss I'm up for it. I think one of the reasons it's quiet is we rather talked about the countries direction and options to follow in the last congress and things have since progressed in that direction and are moving along. To those of us that have returned to congress we really have nothing more to add at this point as things have progressed fine and we came back this round to a smaller congress to ensure stability on our current plans.
With that said again I'm always willing to hear new ideas, for we can never claim to have things perfected.
Just come on over to eIrish University.
Truly, for the sake of transparency, it shouldn't matter to Congressmen if Congress is boring. They still have a responsibility to offer people an outlet for information, whether they use it or not.
Being in Congress is like being the PP of a political party. You don't have much control just due to game mechanics, so that makes for less activity.
Also in terms of transparency, the only people who care about government action (i.e. active players) are usually already in the government.
Is that first picture Jimmy Carter?
Arjay = Ajay?