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Croatia, have no regrets

Day 1,981, 02:12 by Obersoldat



*Hrvatska verzija ispod


ENGLISH VERSION

Since Romania signed MPP with Serbia and their departure from EDEN is now well known, there has been a lot of articles about this subject. With some parts I agree, with some I don't, so I will not repeat what is already said, I just wanted to remind you, of what I didn't saw was mentioned in any of them, and what we musn't forget.

Since this MPP was signed I saw a lot of comments by Croats blaming previous governments for not prepairing for this situation and securing new alliances in the case that EDEN falls apart. Since it was very likely that this scenario will happen months ago. EDEN has become too big, and members have become far less interested to cooperate with EDEN HQ. There has been several attempts to make things better in EDEN, but all failed. And it was very likely that EDEN will fall apart.



Ever since I started playing in 2009 Croatia has had a policy ''They can take our pixels, but not our honor.'' Which I liked very much, that spartan motto. When Poland and Spain left EDEN to found ONE we were invited to join them, since we had really tight relationship with Poland, we declined the offer, cause we do not betray our friends, firstly Romania. When CTRL was being formed, we could also jump on that wagon, but we didn't, cause again, we do not betray our friends. Aldough we had a great relationship with Brazil at that time, they asked us to leave Romania behind because they had a grudge because of Romanian MU Nemesis was trying a TO. Both Romania and Brazil were our friends. And when one friend asks you to break friendship with the other friend, what do you do? We said that we do not betray any of our friends, no matter who is asking that from us. And aldough our thanks for that from Romania was MPP with Serbia, I still think we made a right choice then. We stick to our principles and came out of every scenario with clear consciousness. Never forget that and be proud of it.



When in the previous term CP proposed leaving EDEN because Romania did not come to aid to Albania, Bosnia and Herzegovina and Croatia when we were trying to clear the Balkans of Serbia, we we were approached by a certain country government to talk about a possible MPP. It is not important which country government it was, since the scenario would be the same in any case:

Country: We would like to talk to you about a possibility of MPP
Croatia: Sure, no problem. But you are at war with one of our allies. You need to make up with them.
Country: No problem. We can guarantee that after we close the war we will leave them a region or two for them to have congress.
Croatia: That's not what we mean. You need to stop the war, release all of their regions, make up and sign a MPP with them as well.
Country: That is not possible. We will fight them, blablabla....

And that was the end of that conversation.



Whenever EDEN was in crisis we always repeated one thing ''We will be the last to leave, ones who will turn off the light.'' All Croatian former CP's, including me, had that policy. Having that policy and preparing grounds for a backup plan would be two-faced, which Croatia is not. We decided long time ago that a captain sinks with its ship. Ship has now sank, its captain with it. It may take us a while to swim out to the surface, but know that we have fulfilled our duty, we did what we said we will do.



We have nothing to be regretful about, we have kept our honor, our word. We did not go behind our friend's back and negotiated with their enemies, nor will we ever. Now there is a long road in front of us that together with our old friends we make new friendships, as we played until now, never forgetting those who played as we do, holding their word more sacred than pixels.

Whatever future brings us, be proud of yourselves. Even when it seems that we are retarded for playing like this, don't doubt yourselves. Countries who change their hats as wind blows, can have more pixels which tomorrow they can lose. We have our honor, something that can never be taken away.

Ad honorem! o7





HRVATSKA VERZIJA

Otkako je Rumunjska potpisala MPP sa Srbijom i njihov odlazak iz EDEN-a je sada jasan, bilo je dosta članaka o ovoj temi. Sa nekim dijelovima tih članaka se slažem, sa nekim ne, no neću ponavljati ono što je već rečeno. Samo vas želim podsjetiti na ono što nisam vidio da je spomenuto u nijednom od tih članaka, a što ne smijemo zaboraviti.

Otkako je ovaj MPP potpisan vidio sam dosta komentara od Hrvata koji krive prethodne Vlade jer se nisu pripremale za ovu situaciju i pregovarali o novim savezništvima u slučaju da se EDEN raspadne. Iako je mogućnost da će se ovaj scenarij dogoditi bila jasna već prije nekoliko mjeseci. EDEN je postao prevelik, a interes članica za suradnjom sa EDEN HQ je značajno opao. Bilo je nekoliko pokušaja da se EDEN oživi, ali svi su propali. I bilo je jasno da je raspad neizbježan.



Odkako sam počeo igrati 2009.,Hrvatska je imala politiku ''Mogu nam uzeti piksele, ali ne čast''.Što mi se jako svidilo, taj spartanski moto. Kada su Poljska i Španjolska napustile EDEN da bi osnovale ONE, bili smo pozvani da im se pridružimo, jer smo imali jako blizak odnos sa Poljskom.Odbili smo ponudu jer nismo htjeli izdati prijatelje, u prvom redu Rumunjsku. Kada se stvarao CTRL, mogli smo uskočiti i na taj vlak, ali nismo, jer opet, mi ne izdajemo svoje prijatelje. Iako smo tada imali izvrstan odnos sa Brazilom, tražili su od nas da napustimo Rumunjsku radi sukoba sa njima, jer je rumunjski MU Nemesis pokušavao napraviti PTO. I Rumunjska i Brazil su nam bili prijatelji. I kad te jedan prijatelj nagovara da napustiš drugog prijatelja, što napraviti? Rekli smo da ne izdajemo ni jednoga od naših prijatelja, nije važno tko to traži. I iako hvala koje smo dobili od Rumunjske je MPP sa Srbijom, i dalje mislim da smo tada ispravno postupili. Uvijek smo se držali naših principa i iz svakog scenarija izišli sa čistom savjesti. Nemojte to nikada zaboraviti i budite ponosni na to.



Kada je u prošlom mandatu CP predložio izlazak iz EDEN-a jer Rumunjska nije htjela pomoći Albaniji, BiH i Hrvatskoj da očiste Balkan od Srbije, Vlada određene zemlje nam je pristupila da razgovaramo o mogućem MPP-u. Nije važno koja zemlja je u pitanju, jer bi scenarij bio isti u svakom slučaju:

Država: Željeli bismo razgovarati sa vama o mogućem MPP-u
Hrvatska: Naravno, nema problema. Ali ste trenutno u ratu sa jednim od naših saveznika. Morate se pomiriti sa njima.
Država: Nema problema. Možemo garantirat da ćemo im ostaviti regiju dvije nakon što zatvorimo rat da imaju kongres.
Hrvatska: Nismo to mislili. Morate zaustaviti rat, vratiti im sve regije, pomiriti se i potpisati MPP i s njima.
Država: To je nemoguće. Nikad se nećemo prestat boriti s njima, blablabla....

I tu svaki razgovor završava.



Kada god je EDEN bio u krizi mi smo uvijek ponavljali jednu stvar ''Mi ćemo zadnji otići,mi ćemo biti oni koji će ugasiti svjetlo.'' Svi bivši hrvatski CP-ovi su imali tu politiku, uključujući mene. Imati tu politiku i pripremati teren za plan B bi bilo dvolično, a to Hrvatska nije. Davno smo odlučili da kapetan tone sa svojim brodom. Brod je sad potonuo i njegov kapetan s njim. Možda će nam trebati vremena dok isplivamo opet na površinu, ali znajte da smo ispunili svoju dužnost, učinili smo ono što smo rekli da ćemo učiniti.



Nemamo za čim žaliti, održali smo našu čast, našu riječ. Nismo prijateljima išli iza leđa i pregovarali sa njihovim neprijateljima, niti ćemo ikada to učiniti. Sada je pred nama dug put gdje ćemo skupa sa našim starim prijateljima sklopiti neka nova prijateljstva, igrajući kao i dosad, nikad ne zaboravljajući one koji igraju kao i mi, koji drže svoju riječ važnijom od pixela.

Što nam god budućnost donijela, budite ponosni na sebe. Čak i kad se čini da smo retardirani što igramo ovako, nemojte sumnjati u sebe. Zemlje koje okreću kapu kako vjetar puše, mogu imati više piksela od nas koje opet mogu izgubiti sutra. Mi imamo našu čast, nešto što nam nikad ne može biti oduzeto.

Ad honorem! o7

 

Comments

Ante-os
Ante-os Day 1,981, 02:18

Pride & Honour

tuPole Jr
tuPole Jr Day 1,981, 09:33

melaba : (

Colonel Jack ONeal
Colonel Jack ONeal Day 1,982, 12:11

What the hell do you know about honor? Where were Croatia when we've been erased and whit no congress by Poland and Hungary? WHERE?? I remember,in India to defend your own bonusses. You and China are the same,you don't give a damn about others EDEN countrys. You only remember us when we want to left EDEN and need help to defend the bonusses from India. We cannot leave just whit memories of Cromania

Ante-os
Ante-os Day 1,982, 13:14

4 months old, kid please! xD
did I ask you anything??
kiss, goodbye, F'n'G FTW!

Nicolas Cristian Alex Popa
Nicolas Cristian Alex Popa Day 1,982, 13:55

ante step off this is his new account so shut up

The Graverobber
The Graverobber Day 1,981, 02:20

nicely said. respect !

DrBrTr
DrBrTr Day 1,981, 02:21

o7

Marko Grozni
Marko Grozni Day 1,981, 02:22

mogli smo mi ici svojim putem odavno, ali neee bolje da potonemo zadnji

Ovalni Chmar
Ovalni Chmar Day 1,981, 02:24

lets summarize what u wrote, cuz of Romania we lost Poland, we lost Spain, we lost Brazil, even USA
Croatia didn't want to betray them, and now they betrayed us,
there is no honour in this game
HAIL HUNGARY
HAIL USA : )

vali105
vali105 Day 1,981, 05:12

where was croatia when romania was left with no congress...was it india? oh yes. How many months has croatia spend in EUROPE for the past 1 and half years? I think it was quite few months in mexicoo..and quite few months in india, so i believe it was not much at all. Since you left europe the situation in balkan is uneven and u dont care about nothing but your bonuses in india, just like China. When they want to kick poland out, they do it 90-0 but when it comes down to help its allies? 0.
Cromania died long time ago since u left europe. Sorry brothers. The only reason im against this MPP is because it is just propaganda and we will become TWO puppets but thats not to say that cromania was still alive. It is not and this MPP didnt end it. Croatian Exile and Airstrikes have ended it.

Obersoldat
Obersoldat Day 1,981, 05:33

Have we ever denied CS for EDEN players?Have we not been in Europe and fought for our allies?Have we fought for Romania strong as ever?

Your logic says that if we have bonuses, not because of NAP, but because we are unreachable,we are not good brothers.By this account,nobody should have any bonuses.

Like when one brothers toy is broken,and he asks their father to break its brother's toy to make it fair.Stupid.We welcomed everyone who needed bonuses.

We have had Romania as our CoD almost every day since you started war with Bulgaria.So do not try to justify your actions. You have crossed to the other side and betrayed your brothers.

Ovalni Chmar
Ovalni Chmar Day 1,981, 05:48

lol so it means we should lose our regions and be without congress just to make you happy?
SERIOUSLY? ROFL

we fought for you almost every day and this is how u pay back, seriously i don't care anymore, but ur goin to be alone very soon

Mathaisen
Mathaisen Day 1,981, 08:54

we could have came back when poland attacked russia and serbia was on it's knees, who didn't want to attack serbian and open another front because they had to many MU members with serban CS and was sucking on serbia's bonuses, do not try to justify your actions, Romania-Serbia "under the table" NAP is a public secret for few months now and do not point fingers... God's speed to Romania for old times sake, but do not turn this on us...

Cosmin S
Cosmin S Day 1,981, 13:47

@Obersoldat: Romania signs MPP with Serbia, I guess this means that is leaving EDEN (I don't know EDEN membership rules).
"We decided long time ago that a captain sinks with its ship. Ship has now sank, its captain with it."
Using your way of thinking EDEN without Romania is a sinked ship, but EDEN has 12 members http://www.erepublik.com/ro/main/alliances/1 (with Romania in EDEN). If you really want to be the captain, you have to wait for the other 10 members to leave, so Croatia can be the last. If EDEN is compared to a ship, more likely, you think that Romania was EDEN's hull and you were EDEN's captain.

Cosmin S
Cosmin S Day 1,981, 14:21

http://www.erepublik.com/en/main/law/Romania/126307
Well Romania is really leaving, 11 more to go.

I the Clone
I the Clone Day 1,981, 02:25

a big VOTE.

8-3=1
8-3=1 Day 1,982, 11:59

from me also. respect.

NEWENKO
NEWENKO Day 1,981, 02:25

...we have kept our honor, our word

Momcilo Trkulja
Momcilo Trkulja Day 1,981, 02:27

I agree. But you lost your honor when you accepted Turkey in EDEN. You also lost your honor in RL

Ovalni Chmar
Ovalni Chmar Day 1,981, 02:29

lets not talk about RL since u lost everything what could be lost

nem01able
nem01able Day 1,981, 15:16

meh theres still more we could lose

Romper
Romper Day 1,981, 02:32

RL war is over, you lost... Learn to live with it.

Zmaj330
Zmaj330 Day 1,981, 07:16

No, you lost all RL wars but u know to sing "Danke Deutchland" maybe u will need more songs in the future ; )

betega
betega Day 1,981, 09:58

RL war is over, you lost... Learn to live with it. ha ha

and you are the winners?

Anglo-Saxons and Germans control all the countries of the former Yugoslavia.....that's a fact.......

I'm a little confused
you are the Anglo-Saxon or German?

funky_ribar
funky_ribar Day 1,981, 11:04

betega i za tebe sam mislio da si mudriji kad toliko znas o svemu što se događalo.. na kraju ispadaš najobičniji povodljivi sitni nacionalist iz dijaspore..pffff....sjećaš se našeg razgovora?

Luka A
Luka A Day 1,982, 22:28

Romper, stick to playing video games. Real life politics and military conflict do not concern you. All I see when I look at the map of the Balkans today is a German colony called Croatia, a non-existent Croatian presence in Bosnia and a Croatian youth preoccupied with falsifying history and giving Nazi salutes.

P0L0.L
P0L0.L Day 1,981, 02:35

odtroliraj u sitnim koracima nazad do svoje pečine

PeroST
PeroST Day 1,981, 02:36

honor in rl?-u have it?? :o

kushtrimzz
kushtrimzz Day 1,981, 02:53

omg a serbian talking for honor in RL :o

Momcilo Trkulja
Momcilo Trkulja Day 1,981, 08:02

We are one of the few nations in the world that have an honorable history. Our whole history we are fighting much stronger opponents and we never give up (Ottoman empire, Nazi Germany, NATO...). They have done many injustices to us, and we never obey them but fight them, unlike Croats.

Mathaisen Day 1,981, 09:05

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azurthedictator Day 1,981, 13:59

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azurthedictator Day 1,981, 14:01

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Momcilo Trkulja
Momcilo Trkulja Day 1,982, 00:27

Srebrenica? You mean the place that Ratko Mladic deported muslims to Sarajevo after he conquered it? In Vukovar, I think Serbs are the victims, Vukovar was mostly a Serbian city until Oluja... And Kosovo also, we killed children and women? Tell that to ALbanian terrorists who killed Serbs for their organs. Did I mention more than 50% of all drugs in europe comes from Kosovo?

PeroST
PeroST Day 1,982, 01:09

e momcilo da je vama objektivno sagledati sve cinjenice i nauciti tu povijet vec jednom,pa nije to bas toliko tesko....
i da,prihvatiti vec jednom krivnju i nauciti postovati druge.Znaci koliko sam ja shvatio vi ste se branili od turaka,a mi nismo?vi ste bili predziđe europe?hmm ja sam mislio da croatia znaci hrvatska ali dobro xD
i da kako ste vi onda bili osvojeni te poslije postali vazali? :o

PeroST
PeroST Day 1,982, 01:16

e i da,nemoj sada misliti da negiram vašu slavnu povijest koja zaslužuje poštovanje niti da je npr postojalo srpsko carstvo,al daj vec jednom pocmite se i vi odnositi prema nama tako. I btw cek mi smo se borili za nacističku njemačku,a vi protiv?hahah ta staradigma iz yuge koju ste vi Srbi predstavljali i jos predstavljate(dns ne samo srbi imamo ih i mi u hr takvih -.-) je naprosto žalosna,pa 60-70% partizana su bili hrvati,taj broj je se poslije malo promjenio kada su cetnici(al su oni bili protiv njemaca?!? ) presli tj dezertirali u partizane.a onaj prvi ustanak protiv ndh u kojem je vecina bila srpska je zapravo ustanak samo protiv hrvatske vlasti u kojoj vi niste htjeli živjeti i to je to...

Alfadi
Alfadi Day 1,981, 03:14

To be honest.

Serbians have Bosnians and Albanians as opponents. Didn't lose RL

Croatians and Greeks allies? lol
Greeks and Turks allies? lol
Greeks and Cypriots enemies? lol
Croatians and Bosnians allies?lol

freedom fighter 1
freedom fighter 1 Day 1,981, 04:35

Read article again, this are only pixels. Create world you want to live in...
EDEN has proved that he's above RL problems.

Alfadi
Alfadi Day 1,981, 04:38

But this specific reply is about mixing with RL.

Read reply again.

nexus2012
nexus2012 Day 1,981, 04:38

can you explain this one for uninfirmed: "But you lost your honor when you accepted Turkey in EDEN"

thank you

Momcilo Trkulja
Momcilo Trkulja Day 1,981, 07:55

Maybe because you accepted the biggest traitor in the game in the alliance even though you knew Bulgaria didn't approve it? EDEN was once the best alliance in the game, a brotherhood. But Turkey destroyed it. You accepted Turkey in EDEN just because of their damage, you ruled the world for a few months, and look at EDEN now

nexus2012
nexus2012 Day 1,981, 08:29

The biggest traitor -> you are referring to whom? Poland? UK? tens of other countries? For certainly this excludes Turkey. No, Bulgaria DID approve, those Bulgarians who were controlled by Polish government did not approve it and they left EDEN. Who are you to tell us Turkey destroyed our alliance?

Lazy Greg
Lazy Greg Day 1,981, 15:21

Bulgarian gov DID aproved Turkey in EDEN, after bulgarian ppl superted by political oposition, some trolls and huge serbian and polish propaganda make veto, next gov changed minde.

Ovalni Chmar
Ovalni Chmar Day 1,982, 03:14

''Maybe because you accepted the biggest traitor in the game in the alliance''


lol Momcilo we never accepted Serbia?!??

TheManiacBG
TheManiacBG Day 1,982, 23:44

LOL this is a lie!! Bulgaria only agrred to trail of turky!! We weren't convinced that turkey was EDEN material and we put a veto! You choose to ignore it!! That is when EDEN really was destroyed!! What Romania is doing now will teach you what is the feeling of being betray by the ones who you thought are your brothers!!

schalwar
schalwar Day 1,983, 01:10

@Momcilo Trkulja Turkey didn't accepted as a ONE member. At that time ONE chose Iran to show there is no place Turkey in ONE. How can leave an alliance even not accepted into ? What would Serbs expect when they hit against Turkey even they had mpp?
@TheManiacBG : we have seen what you understand about brotherhood when you signed mpp with England and hit against Ireland and how you supported Russia when Poland invaded her lands. You are the one who hadn't have EDEN material and you left. Turkey still in EDEN and noone can argue that Turkey has EDEN material and Turkey proved that she helped her allies in this one year. And you proved that you are cry babies and think about your resources with accepting Fyrom and staying neutral against Russia.
Overall EDEN is dead becoz of there is no place third alliance in this game imo. You only can choose two different sides. Otherwise game is become very boring just like now.

nookie_hookie
nookie_hookie Day 1,981, 06:16

1 rijec ..kosovo..

Superferro
Superferro Day 1,981, 02:30

respect!
o7
POWer with U!

Marko Klis
Marko Klis Day 1,981, 02:30

Odlično!

 
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