Cooperation with the PTO'ers and the Socialists, is it possible?
Grev Per
This article is speculative, as I'm speculating, I'm neither part of the PTO group, nor the Socialists, nor am I privy to their innermost thoughts, forums or chats, or whatever else.
This article is intended to look into the possibility of working together with the PTO group and the Socialists, and on what basis this could be on. This article is not part of a negotiation trick, or a negotiation in and of itself, as far as I know, there are no negotiations.
The most difficult part here has been to ascertain what the eSerbian interest in this is. Or the eSerbian PTO'ers interest at least. It's been claimed that they are here as part of the PHOENIX foreign policy, however no representative of PHOENIX has mentioned this yet. According to them we were members of Eden or Eden-centric, because we had relations to Sweden. Fine, nations are allowed and expected to be excessively paranoid.
This article presumes that the eSerbian PTO group is here to guarantee that the Danish foreign policy aligns with eSerbian national interests (which would obviously also coincide with the interests of PHOENI😵
. This I believe is also the most likely explanation.
As far as the socialists go, I don't even know if they're really socialists. Since they know nothing of socialism (and despite Nero coming from a former socialist state), I am sort of assuming it's some kind of role-play, or more likely an amusing excuse to completely ruin an economy. Or simply trolling. Either that, or they simply want to run a socialist government. Their only interest in negotiations would be to add legitimacy to their claims. Or who knows, maybe they are tired of everyone hating them.
And the Danish interests are fairly straightforward, we want Denmark. We want to run Denmark. We don't mind doing this with people who aren't irl Danes, in fact many people here aren't irl Danes. We do mind however if they have no interest in Denmark whatsoever. Let's say the Danes want the congressional majority.
Obviously for the Danes the easiest group to negotiate with would be the eSerbs. If eSerbia insisted that we align ourselves with their foreign policy interests, I really don't think it would change Danish foreign policy much at all. (We don't have one really). The only hitch would be the MPP with eSerbia. As in how to fund it. (That would be the gaurantor for Denmark aligning with Serbia though, if we were to make an open declaration for one alliance over the other, we wouldn't want the other alliance to instantly invade us, ergo we'd want protection.) We'd want the eSerbians to reneg their Danish citizenships. Unelss of course they want to stay. But so far they seem to hate Danes so that doesn't seem likely.
With the socialists. We have no problem with free and fair elections. Historically and politically eDenmark has always been a country run through concensus, that is no one party controls everything, everyone works together. This is because the economics and politics of the game are so simple it doesn't really lend itself to a lot of ideological differences unless you get creative. However the eSocialists seemingly have never had a wish to cooperate with the eDanish population. I mean at all. and they still don't. If they want Danish cooperation, well to be honest I don't really see what they could say to ever get it.
If they could agree with the Danes and the eSerbs on the conditions for a new Danish foreign policy, and the eSerbs left, I suppose no one would really care if they ran in elections like everyone else. I just think they'd be really unpopular. Because of all the lying backstabbing stuff Nero has done.
So the only interest in negotiations or cooperation that the Socialist Party has, is as a sham in order to lend legitimacy to their claims.
Phoenix or eSerbia (depending on whose idea it was) has proven themselves not very popular among the Danes with regards to the PTO. Neither has ever approached our government about the region-swapping which seems to be the controversy. Neither of them has ever proposed a security alliance of any sort. Serbia could've come to us and said
'uh ooh if you don't do as we say in your foreign policy we'll take over your government. Don't worry though, we'll pay for an MPP', we probably would've considered it. I'd even say it'd be 70% likely to have been accepted. All a small nation like Denmark wants is a guarantee for its continued existence and to be left alone.
Anyways it looks to me as though an agreement would be highly unlikely to occur.
Comments
You just don't understand your letting of Sweden and Norway to pass through your regions had led to this, you had to be stopped because you were helping EDEN in the war, now don't say that you were weak and that you had to do, you could have just sign an mpp with Serbia or Hungary and Sweden or Norway wouldn't dare touch you, but noooo you were happy to help EDEN to attack Germany and UK! That's why Danish puppet government had to be removed!
Bajke. eHistory will tell you that Sweden occupied eDenmark and all of it's regions at the moment the war module was implemented. It was only after lengthy discussions with the Swedes that they after many months agreed to give us only 2 regions. Hovedstaden and Sjaelland. All of Jutland was there's but it has only been an advantage to Phoenix who makes resistance wars to distract Sweden. Almost Nobody lives in those regions and they have no good raw materials. eDenmark has never payed them any attention at all because we were neutral.
So I understand why it's easy to blame Denmark. But because you have no knowledge of our regions or history with neighbors, you don't really have the right to an opinion.
Wow, Pered, 3 comments all directed towards me, at least give me time to participate in this discussion too!
Pered, you're right you have nothing to gain from cooperation. I said that in my article, its too bad you didn't read it but commented anyways.
Face this Pered, Denmark may not be ours, but for as long as it isn't ours we'll try as hard as we can to make sure its not yours. Part of the game I suppose. I thought that you would be the one person in your party more willing to talk though. Guess not. Its just you mentioned that in several comments.
Also your 3rd comment makes no sense. Your economy sucks and Denmark is less sovereign than its ever been under your 'government'. Power to the wrong people has already been accomplished though. 🙂
Bajke, Neither Hungary nor Serbia ever offered an MPP to us. However we did let Hungary take the Danish regions when they offered. This should really only lend testament to our neutrality, both alliances were allowed the regions we didn't want at the time.
@Bajke - You should read the article before commenting.
Not much you can do when you can't afford an MPP, and your surrounded by significantly larger nations. Besides they were never technically our regions. We had very little to do with any of it. If this is a result of eSerbian foreign policy, it seems a little ineffective. (Trying to cure the cold by treating the symptoms).
Anyways right now you're talking to me. But I'm not really negotiating anything (as I said in my article), and I don't think there are negotiations. If there were, I imagine these would be the conditions on which all sides would be discussing from.
You should read the article before you talk about it.
Pered. Every dane that starts to play this game, will start in eDenmark. Therefore your thinking is wrong. Also nobody wants to live in eDenmark after you ruined the economy. Only the congress stays. Many of your "group" live in Serbia and only come to eDenmark for election day (and battles). Which goes to show that you guys are only here for medals or for socialist stuff that doesn't make sense.
But what bugs me most of all is this article which states your true intentions:
"However, our main goal with the economic side has been made, and it is printing currency and its exchange in gold."
http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/lionking-amp-hellokitty-u-opasnosti--1239092/1/20" target="_blank">http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/lion[..]1/20
You have nothing more to gain from being here, as the gold is gone, so you may leave at any time.
It's worthless because you ignore everything anyone else says and just babble on to the next point, not trying to be coherent, or even reasonable.
Like i said, you have no interest in establishing a dialogue.
Deleted all my comments, i will not anymore comment your newspapers.
Its for the best.
This article is full of fail as all articles of Grev Per.
You really believe we're EVER going to negotiate with you after articles like this? After all that you've done?
Grev Per, i'd say re-evaluate your diplomatic skills. Or simply let HrBjorn do the article writing, you really suck at "cooperation and talking" stuff.
Oh and please stop this whole "i'm trying to set a dialogue" non-sense. Of course an agreement is unlikely to concur as long as you launch articles like this.
You don't know a thing about socialism or the DSSP Plans, so i don't think you have a right to comment on them.
You are just like a child. Start insulting people and spreading lies only for YOU to feel better and superior. (screw the Jante Law which isn't at all useful eventhough i tried to learn it and respect it when i first came here).
You REALLY have no idea how to collaborate, how to normally talk and share a good discussion. You really don't 😉
And as long as you're launching articles like this and represent the "old danes" with these kind of articles and attitude, i will never negotiate with any of you.
You are really pathetic.😉
P.S. Tell HrBjorn to teach you some things
Nero, if you're going to respond to an article and you want to look smart, you should read it. I mean if you had even read the first line you would look smart. However you didn't, and now you look dumb.
Nowhere in this article did I say I want to talk, or that I would do the talking, or that I was willing to talk.
My god man, are you really so pathetic as to write a novel as a comment to an article, without reading it?
Anyways awesome, your true colors have shown through. 🙂
Oh, sorry.
Don't tell him to teach you anything. He's rather hostile aswell.
What can you do....are you really all like that? isn't there a sociable person among you?
And I mean literally, the first sentence is saying that this article is 'speculative', the second is saying that this is not a negotiation, nor a negotiation trick, nor are there any negotiations occuring to my knowledge. Holy crap dude.
@Grev Per
You wrote in your past article that you want collabrate with Serbia
What is this
So,I'm asking you again😃o you consider yourself as danish citizen
What, you can't read either?
If you're referring to this article:
http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/4-strikes-you-re-out--1238861/1/all#commentsall" target="_blank">http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/4-st[..]sall
I said nothing of the kind. In the comments I made a rhetorical question to your comment, because your comment made no sense.
And again, I don't really know what you're talking about...
This article however, is not about cooperating with eSerbia, it's about the possibility and what would need to happen for that to happen. (and my conclusion makes it rather clear that I don't consider it likely.)
@Grev
Are you already tired of being a national treasure in Sweden?
No, we do not collaborate with traitors
So grev what did you decide
are you or are you not danish citizen??
Renton, speaking of traitors, how is your puppet government doing? 🙂
Nemus, I don't quite understand your question Nemus, but whether or not you mean irl or erep the answer is Danish in both (although in erep, it should be pretty obvious by my profile...) So, now that I answered one personal question for you, will you answer one for me. Does the 96 in your name mean you were born in '96?
Grev ofc
Don't worry I'm old enough to play the game
btw.
Collaborators with Sweden yap,yap,yap are not consider to be Danish citizen
So what are you
Godt nok mere dansk end dig, knægt. 🙂
@Grev
In fact very well, thanks mate.
We are making plans so you could guys will be able to do tourism soon once Sweden fail as f-k and visit other scandinavian countries to reinforce your viking feelings...We are sensitive and nice people.
Glad to hear it. Sometimes I feel like you guys could've chosen better spokespeople. I feel that if I had to give some constructive criticism, great PR would've done a world of good, perhaps even changed the tides.
Next time I would go with something like 'don't worry, we'll only be here a month, we're just making a point.' The great part of course being that you could just lie about it. Well I guess you live and learn right? Cool, good luck with the Take-Overs. 🙂
I wish I had seen the pered comments :/
But seeing that he deleted them...
8/10
whats up SwedFAIL spies you failed and now you panic? yeah I know that feeling 😛
You know the feeling of failure and panic? That's your insult?
@Grev
I didn't understand you,but if you are a danish citizen,that means that contract that you have signed don't have any value.So,give the real president pass of your bank
What are you talking about? Besides, I don't have the password to the bank.
Not that it matters, that contract was written in order to keep the money in Danske Bank out of foreign hands. Since your government is giving all money in Denmark to eSerbia, I think the spirit of the contract still applies.
And remember, its the spirit of the law, not the letter, thats important. 🙂
Grev Per its we didnt gave nothing. Look better, just making bad propaganda you clan leader.
Are you f'ing kidding me? Cause I can write an article about it if you want. The donations can be found in the national events page, hell even the printing of the money can be.
@Grev Per: do you have frequent paranoia attacks? If so, try keep them out of eR.
@Nero - You should act less butt-hurt and more like an adult 🙂
to to to je to hajmo da se volimo to to to je to hajmo svi da igramo 😃
Hey Grev Per i understand that you have F from economy but dont show it here.
@Barbarians
It seems like your danish is a bit rusty...
my english is rusty too lol 😃
It's the eye of the tiger
its the thrill of the fight
risin up to the challenge of our rivals
and the last known survivor stalks his prey in the night
and he's watching us all with the eye of the tiger 😁
@Nemus
If you read the comments in the article where PapaJohn posted that you would see what Grev sai😛 that the constitution that is taken from was written two years ago, when Sweden was the enemy.
Perhaps we will revise that when we get Denmark back 🙂 .
Hotchy Denmark is back, and you are free to live here. 😃
Hotchy I know what grev said to papajohn org(because is my org)
And grev that contract that you have write means that the danish president(Starina Novak)in case that he is not collaborating with Sweden(and he's for sure not doing that)can have the pass of a national treasury
btw You will get banned if you don't give us that pass
We already have a plethora of national treasures in Denmark, we do not need swedes treasures in our fatherland.
Hail eDenmark, hail Phoenix!!
Nemus, no I won't. 🙂 That contract is two years old, made before V1, citizenship and all that. I hardly think the admins will bother to read it before ignoring your request. 🙂
Is this Nero Superbus trying to tell other people how to cooperate and telling other people they have no idea what socialism is. The same Nero who went to war against most of the communist/socialist parties in the world and trying to split the communist/socialist movement into factions. Please don't tell Nero how to cooperate Nero because you have no idea what cooperation means. And you also have no idea what socialism is. You have admitted to not being one in real life(Doesn't mean you can't be one on here but it usually means the person lacks some knowledge of socialist ideas) and had reduced what Karl Marx said into "The workers need to get rich" which is the greatest bastardization of Karl Marx I've seen from someone calling themselves a socialist online or offline.
THANK YOU. I've been saying that for months now.