Communism / socialism / capitalism - comparison
Rumpil
Communism / socialism / capitalism - comparison
Do slovenčiny to nedávam, lebo my vieme, čo to všetko je, ale oni nie
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Communism (and socialism) will never work. There should be some government regulation to make sure that no company or corporation has too much control over an industry, but not to the extent that the government controls everything. The government shouldn't be telling you what you should or shouldn't be doing (again to an extent). I believe in limited censorship, meaning that there is censorship, but little of it. Meaning that if you want to say that the government sucks...you can do so. If you run a TV show, you can do whatever you want on it, as long as a viewer is informed on the content.
As for communism there are even more reasons why it doesn't work.
Number one, there is no incentive to work. Since everybody are equal, and everybody earns the same amount of money, what incentive is there to work? If you can earn the same amount as a doctor, as truck driving...is there really a reason to go to college and get a degree when you can earn the same dropping out of high school and truck driving?
We can see it also in erepublic. If doesn't matter how good worker I am (because I have noting from my work, just commune has benefit) I can easily forget to work, or ask for food (wellness will go down then). Why should I try to find the best economy possibilities at the world for running my own profitable business, if all this would do somebody in commune. I can read just forum or news instead of finding better economical solutions, and let others to make business instead of me (so in communism must be very little good businessman). Why should I work harder to get house ??? My wellness is not my problem, it is problem of commune, so I do not need house... if commune need my wellness high they would give me one
😃. If there is a bad businessman, who is making lose, how can I tell him true ?? I can complain on him just in forum, because there is not competition and I am not able to show him how can run business a good manager - comparison - competition which is common in capitalism.
Number two.
Complete government control never works, just look at what happened to Berlin. They had to build a wall to keep people in, and many people risked their lives to get to capitalism and out of communism. On the contrary, the United States government has to build a wall to keep people out, coming here because of democracy and capitalism. It really tells you that people tend to prefer capitalism and the ability to earn money over communism and government control.
A current day comparison of the Berlin example is North Korea. Not only is North Korea communist, but it is controlled by a luny psychopath (IMHO). The North Koreans are branwashed to believe word for word everything that the leader says, and worship him like a God. There is a certian way that you have to take a photo of "The Great Leader" and he can do nothing wrong. Homes of North Koreans have no family pictures, but pictures of Kim Jung Ill and his father. The North Koreans have no Internet, and all the TV stations are controlled by the government, so the government can manipulate the news and tell the residents whatever they want them to hear. Border crossings are similar to the Berlin wall, consisting of electric fences and minefields. The few places where you can cross safely are guarded by north Korean forces who are instructed to shoot anybody trying to cross, even fellow guards. The few people that do escape get their family (including extended family) killed.
now look again into erepublic.com
Why the Slovakian communist are here ? Why they are not reallife Slovaks?? Because nobody at the erep world want communism. Nobody like them so they must emigrate from their motherland and find little country, which they can takeover for their mad purposes and ideas.
Why Russia, mother of communism have mainly capitalism in erepublik.com ??
😃Why every not communist party is voting for capitalism, in spite of the fact, that these parties have political different purposes, they all vote against communism
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This is all my opinion so feel free to disagree with it, just provide an answer why you disagree.
And why I like more socialism then communism ??
Socialism and communism are ideological doctrines that have many similarities as well as many differences. It is difficult to discern the true differences between socialism and communism, as various societies have tried different types of both systems in myriad forms, and many ideologues with different agendas have defined both systems in biased terms. Some main differences, however, can still be identified.
One difference between socialism and communism is that socialism is mainly an economic system, while communism is both an economic and a political system. As an economic system, socialism seeks to manage the economy through deliberate and collective social control. Communism, however, seeks to manage both the economy and the society by ensuring that property is owned collectively and that control over the distribution of property is centralized in order to achieve both classlessness and statelessness. Both socialism and communism are similar in that they seek to prevent the ill effects that are sometimes produced by capitalism.
Both socialism and communism are based on the principle that the goods and services produced in an economy should be owned publicly and controlled and planned by a centralized organization. However, socialism asserts that the distribution should take place according to the amount of individuals' production efforts, while communism asserts that that goods and services should be distributed among the populace according to individuals' needs.
Another difference between socialism and communism is that communists assert that both capitalism and private ownership of means of production must be done away with as soon as possible in order to make sure a classless society, the communist ideal, is formed. Socialists, however, see capitalism as a possible part of the ideal state and believe that socialism can exist in a capitalist society. In fact, one of the ideas of socialism is that everyone within the society will benefit from capitalism as much as possible as long as the capitalism is controlled somehow by a centralized planning system.
Finally, another difference between socialism and communism is centered on who controls the structure of economy. Where socialism generally aims to have as many people as possible influence how the economy works, communism seeks to concentrate that number into a smaller amount.
Capitalism is not the best system at the world, but nobody think out something better than capitalism !!
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Voted
absolutely NOT voted.
1.This is a common mistake.Under Cpmmunism not everybody gets paid the same.In some countries like Cuba until 2008 they did get paid the same but People can get paid more than others as long as its not much more
2.What you are describing there is an authotarian society like 1984.Authotarianism is not a right or left-wing trait.It can be adapted by either Communism or Capitalism
everything what i wrote is, was and will be true about erep and RL in nowadays.
It is mainly problem of productivity, socialism or communism have very low, this is fact, not my opinion. World statistics can prove this.
But communism is worse then socialism, because of ill political system. They want own people, they life and mind, ... in RL and erep too.
...that is all...
But people want FREEDOM and people want LIVE, not just be in commune and wait for dead 🙁 (there is nothing else what can they do in commune)
you do not what are you speaking about! you can do a lot but you can not be dumb.
we are able make huge companies, what can you do as capit.individuals???
Communism before 89 had mistake, but principle is always good and better.
you must be child..... read and learn and then start debate with us
Ludovit8 stop flooding 😛
And Yes, you're right. Communism was a mistake. And is always a mistake 😛
you are mistake, silly boj
nemate radi komunizmus lebo ste ho nepochopili !!!
he he he... you think that scp is your friend.... they can be communist, but they anyway are stealing you...
OK, your choice...... your mistake.... say me what you will have from working in SCP !!! Common rich community 😃 but you will be poor 😃 ???
Ludovit, to vy mate radi komunizmus lebo ste ho nepochopili...
There's only one problem with commies. They are redical like religion radicals. It's not enough for them to have freedom to act like they want, build their communes and so on. They are also going to force everyone to join them. Am I right, comrades?
Mam pravdu, Ludovit?
And one more thing:
Communist is a person who read Marx and Engels books.
Anticommunist is a person who read these book, and understood them!
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you earn just to your own pocket, you do nothing for slovakia
Ludovit, LOL hahahaha. I have invested to Slovakia more gold than you have seen in that game. And made over 30 job places, paying people more than they can produce. So don't play a fool and don't try to blame me 😛
we are stronger as a group then you as individuals
There are 2 ways...
Where you can choose, and where not...
In socialism you can not choose, you receive low sallary and you are not independent person - you recive foods, gifts and etc. But if you leave job you do not recive it... and maybe you do not have money for food or etc... then you must go there again maybe because you do not know how to you market because you recived food and gifts... Than what is better? I mean more moneny no donations or etc - whit money I can buy what I want when I want, I can write what I want and I can be critical to ideas and etc - i'm not taget as traitor when I have different opinion... Thats to socialism.
"we are stronger as a group then you as individuals"
Yes of course! With 5 people you can kick me, hit me etc. The same like "far right strong groups". All you extremist are the same 😛
btw... what group? You are mumbling here alone. Where are your comrades? 😛
@Garvey, no they didn't get paid the same. Never. They get paid the same for the -same- work, unlike in the west where foreigners, blacks or women might get paid less.
@Rumpil, Productivity? The USSR has the world record in growth. And DDR went from zero to #10 in the world. Northkorea was bombed to nothing in the war, still it turned into one of the most industrialized countries in Asia (now due to the dissolution of their trade partners they have problems).
Now I'm no supporter of the reestablishment of the old socialism, but it's progress and benefits have to be rightfully recognized.
@smrtan, so that's why you want low import taxes? You see, you mix your business with politics. You want the politics to be adjusted to you and your business and not to what's good for eSlovakia. It was the same in Sweden, and Serbia. In Sweden the business owners couped our socialist party because "we were too dangerous", and in Serbia the Militia had export interests. One liberal congressman there was a gifts producer and lowered the diamond import tax just because of his own private interests of buying cheap diamonds.
Northkorea was bombed to nothing in the war, still it turned into one of the most industrialized countries in Asia
this was joke, right ??? 😃 😃 😃 😃
I have not read bigger bullshit like this 😃 😃 😃
Radsoc, LOL! What a red-propaganda! I am here because I love this country and want to help.
You are here because no one in your homelands accepts you! Try to do that in Sweden, try in Serbia. You came here with hope that there are small number of inhabitants and you will TAKE OVER the country. Fortunately you were wrong.
Have you ever heard about Slovakia before? No! You just came here to make an TO attempt, because (after some loss in other couontries) you believed this time you've already found a victime weak enough for you. That is the only truth. Dialectical truth 🙂
OK, You can stay here, but forget your childish red dreams. Don't even try to touch the country which not belong to you. Or go to the North Korea where is a place for commie extremist. Do I made myself clear?
smrtan
"Now I'm no supporter of the reestablishment of the old socialism, but it's progress and benefits have to be rightfully recognized."
Yes. Those 100 000 000 dead must be rightfully recognized.
>Why Russia, mother of communism have mainly capitalism in erepublik.com ??
Because it was puppeted by PEACE. Pre-Romania and Pre-Norway it was comtrolled by communists (RRF for example)
That is all.
oh my god !!!!
Northkorea was bombed to nothing in the war, still it turned into one of the most industrialized countries in Asia
No, I'm serious. I've seen the graphs of the GDP developments of both countries. (And we shouldn't forget that South is bigger in all aspects).
And according to business week the North Korean economy grew faster than that of south last year (and probably this year too).
We had a lot of acceptance in Sweden (one of the biggest parties), but the capitalists couped us, so I went abroad. I went through Slovakia by train, that's all I've seen 😉, but that doesn't matter. This isn't RL Slovakia. This "country" belongs to no one, but is controlled by its citizens.
"Yes. Those 100 000 000 dead must be rightfully recognized."
What do you mean? Those capitalism has killed? That's about 500 million. Religion is like 1 billion.
it is just facts that North Korea was a role model for third world countries during the 50´s,60´s and parts of the 70´s. North Korea had better standard of living then South Korea during the whole cold war. Then think of that they had equal standard of living in North Korea and not in South Korea.
"North Korea had better standard of living then South Korea during the whole cold war."
Oh my god... Can't even find propper words to comment that...
you compare grow ??? 😃
OK, example
country A GDP 1000 grow "just" 5% = 50
country B gdp 100 grow "even" 10% = 10
do you understand 😃 😃
North Korea... .... och och och, co mam na to povedat, nemaju čo žrať ale ty ukazuj ako rastu, boze, ty si riadne trdlo, nicomu nechapes ale piskujes tu.. Mrtu tam hladom, robotu nemaju chrbat ich boli iba od bica a ty tu ukazuj Servenu Koreu ako priklad... ... no čo na to povedať viac ??
Ani ti to nepreložím, použi google mamľas.
(myslim, ze som nic zleho nepovedal, ale som lenivy to prekladat, tak to nechapte zle)
You amuse me Rumpil
Rumpil, you saying that Ross is an idiot in Slovak has amused me.
I know the entire range of Slav languages from Polish to Hungarian (but I sincerely dunno if it's a Slav language)
I even stoped reading the posts by our fellow eCommunist - for you guys - just one thing - when you are soo into communism and know all the history of it - give me one powerful, rich, economically strong communist state (dont even try RL China - they got rich because of the capitalist economic system they included into economy)
Rumpil, you saying that Ross is an idiot in Slovak has amused me.
That is not true... i say something normal and pls. use google translator 😃 😃...
I was just lazy to translate it to you 🙂
Slowpoke gdybyś był ze Śląska widziałbyś że mamlas to nie jest idiota 😛
😃 😃 rozumiem aj ked som slovák 😃
pice herbata po polsky ale pre slowpoka by som to nechaj v slovencine 😃 😃 😃
Pijcie! ;p
na zdarovie ako by commrades povedali 😃
@Marius: How would we do that when the name communist state is a contradiction?
If you lived in middle ages. Would you be able to name any bourgeois countries?
Can you tell me any rich capitalist third world countries?
You guys are trolling... This forum is interesting, but not in that game... All this has nothing to do with the game. I cannot believe you, if you tell me that you really think that this game (eRepublik) reflects real life... If the real life was like eRpublik, it would be so boring (:. So wake up ! This is a game, and we all here want the best for eSlovakia. Perhaps it's time to be united, have a mpp, start fighting in a war, buy other hospitals, and so on.
Dagdy, nauczyciel z Pomorza sto procent.
Someone needs to read his homework I think 😉
Radsoc: "No, I'm serious. I've seen the graphs of the GDP developments of both countries. (And we shouldn't forget that South is bigger in all aspects).
And according to business week the North Korean economy grew faster than that of south last year (and probably this year too)."
Lol. Do you really think that GDP shows real state od economy (and remember, socialist goverments always falsify everything which can be falsified)? And Rumpil's point is also very important. Btw, if they are so economicaly strong, why are children dying there?
"Those capitalism has killed? That's about 500 million"
Huh? What are you talking about? Actually, real capitalism wasn't, unfortunately, applied for very long time in history.
"Can you tell me any rich capitalist third world countries?"
No I can't, because there isn't any capitalist country at all today.
Citizens Liberation Army: "North Korea had better standard of living then South Korea during the whole cold war."
You must be a madman if you believe socialist statistics.
LordSlowpoke: "I know the entire range of Slav languages from Polish to Hungarian"
No, Hungarian is not Slav language.
It was good enough for UN and Business Week. Non socialist governments can fake their information as well. But there's no point in that.
I wrote that North Korea -was- a heavily developed country, and it still is to some extent. But in the 90ies it lost its trade partners and many natural disasters struck the country.
voted, fight the communism!!
Radsoc: "I wrote that North Korea -was- a heavily developed country"
But "heavy development" was, eveidently, useless for them, if children were dying at the same time.
Children weren't dying. Just in the 90ies.
And wasnt there causality between "heavy develpment" before and children dying then?