Colin Lantrip Speaks Out
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This is a post by Colin Lantrip regarding the disagreements over the military. Because some people have not registered on the forums, I have reposted it here with Colin's permission.
The original post can be found here: http://eusaforums.com/forum/index.php/topic,6272.msg106249.html#msg106249
❤you Morrigan.. one of the best things for me personally that came from my presidency was getting to know you, Bia, and the TC. I assume it's out of loyalty, and while I admire that to a point, it is not reasonable to lay blame entirely at congress's feet. I won't even get into the nonsense I had to deal with as CP, NSA, or SoD but, for almost my entire elife the military has considered itself above the law. Refusing to be held accountable and refusing to provide reasonable requests for information.
You can blame this on whoever you want. We are all in a way responsible. But this boils down to a CJCS and a couple of former CJCS deciding (or finally publicy stating) they will not be held accountable to by very government that pays their bills. That is not acceptable.
This is not an assualt on the soldiers in the former eUS Mil. I hate to see them in the middle of it. I encourage them to look and honestly consider why nobody that has ever had to deal with your(CJCS) leadership has stepped forward to defend them(CJCS). Nobody.
The reason this has continued to go on and the reason I have become vocal is over this attempt to maintain official status. You can attempt to rationalize anything you want, but you guys are no longer the eUS Military. For me, attempting to continue presenting yourselves that way is intentional. It is dishonest, deceptive and to be quite frank it is a serious long term national security issue. You former mil guys should understand better than most the need for a clear power structure. Nobody really wants to cripple you as an effective fighting force, but the longer you go on trying to hold on to what you walked away from then the louder the voices to "punish" you will get. By punish I mean come after all assets that can reasonably be claimed as govt property.
We all want active and loyal players to stay in the US and to stay involved. Build your new role as a militia and have fun being free of the government.
On the names: it is a little petty on both sides, but RL branches do indicate an official status. Maybe it wouldn't have come up as quite the issue had you guys not attempted to maintain "official" at every opportunity. Even to this point.
In many ways your leadership has chosen outright public rebellion from your members, over getting involved and changing policies. You(CJCS) mislead them with dishonest and one sided propaganda; reminds me alot of how SEES used to operate. Loyalty above thought. I personally encouraged Jankems to form or join with a party months ago. If you don't like the system, get involved and change it. A direct assault on the government is not acceptable to even the most reasonable among us.
read the forum thread to understand this section.
@Vootsman.. the former sUS Mil has repeatedly stated they would not fight here, not fight there.. not to mention half assed efforts in places they didn't want to fight. I say repeatedly.. I mean repeatedly. That's just what I've witnessed.
It's just a guess but I would say prob half of the companies and upgrades from what was the mil communes prob came from Max. I still have the original docs from that. There have been others; former members and even myself that have given companies. There's no easy way to determine what was paid for by the govt and what was not. Agree or disagree it doesn't matter.. there is a legitimate case to be made that all property belonging to the eUS Mil is actually govt property. Again.. Nobody in power really wants this, but if this continues onn reasonable voices will be silenced.
Updated with more from Colin :
@Voots.. Idk for sure, I've been out of the top tier for a few months now. I can't testify to anything since. I do know all the players involved though and am certain the us vs them mentality has not changed in the slightest. Recent events would confirm this imo.
I'll repeat a line from above.. We are all responsible for this in some way. For my part.. Instead of confronting the issue at the time.. I "danced the dance", spent my term and several months after negotiating and at times practically begging the CJCS to get dmg where it was needed. Often resorting to using ST6 and the SEES militia because it was easier to get them to deploy.
I don't care to or mean to bash Jankems.. he is as loyal and dedicated of an American as any of us. We spent hours upon hours..upon hours.. late into the night/mornings babysitting battles, something he has done for months on end and most of us wouldn't last a few weeks at. Hundreds of hours I imagine we spent in PM's planning and discussing what should be done. His sense of ownership being his greatest attribute AND his greatest fault.
The rest of the JCS vary between that level of commitment to being just useless. The CJCS is/was the only one with the authority to actually deploy and react to events. In my time his second in command was either unavailable or just plain uninterested. Several others I admire greatly, but don't understand or believe they can't/couldn't see the problems. It is natural to defend what you feel is yours.
The problem there ofc is that it's not yours.. no matter what you've put into it. It belongs to and is accountable to the govt and people of the US. Instead of embracing the different factions of the game, the former mil leadership walled off territory and isolated themselves. Creating an us vs them mentality. Treating any critism as treason and any request for accountability as unwarranted. There is plenty of blame to be shared for most of this, but they and they alone isolated themselves and bred this mentality.
I know this is not exactly what was asked, but does go further into what I think the real issue is.
On the poll.. who gives a shit. We all know of Pfeiffers agenda and to try and label the rest of us in the light is just deflecting legitimate concerns. As convient as that is.. it's just not true on a wider scale.
In the end.. the former CJCS and his top advisors have chosen to walk away as opposed to getting involved and accepting some level of accountability. That is regrettable and makes for a sad day in the US, but in reality this "ownership" is not real. You have taken what is not yours to take and continue to thumb your nose at the government of this country. You can complain all day about how representative it really is, but it is you that chose not get involved.
Find your new role.. accept it.. and lets get back to having fun. As a member of ST6 since the day it was founded (a few short exceptions), I can honestly say I think you will love being a militia.
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The Great Ape is right.
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If there's one man that can get through to the grunts, it's Colin.
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colin should get 95% of the budget and just sit and tank every battle all-day everyday
@George Pumpkinette: No you cant have your taxes back. Now instead of going to the military it will be sent to the CBO to be held for as long as they see fit and doled out to the wannabemarines and ST6.
I doubt congress will ever lower taxes, anytime someone brings it up they go into a defensive loop about the laffer curve and how they really need that money and how they have to keep the PEG stable and that means people cant have too much in the form of USD sitting around.
As for Colin... He lost all credibility when the logs came out with people stating he could be more than counted on to deliver their grade of propaganda.
Relorian, I cannot believe that you continue to argue against a ton of former presidents.
It still blows me away that so many presidents have publicly voiced their concerns with the JCS structure and recent leadership. Colin is 100% correct. DoD org access needs to be given to the Secretary of Defense and branch names need to be changed.
@Relorian, I like how Colin (not a friend, too much of a experience piont whore for my likes) addressed the issue, I am all for eCongress asserting itself, next let's free up the elections and elect our eCongress instead of appointing them.
@Relorian... ST6 can kick your ass and at a cheaper price. 😉
A donation of companies directly to the eUS military does not equal eUS govt property. I am not sure where you are to make your case.
Calvacanti said it's right, i'm sure it's wrong. I will not read.
honestly it's kinda funny (and a little bit sad) watching these "military" folks trying to rationalize thievery.
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Colin is an outstanding guy and has done greater service to this country than most JCS ever have or will.
I have never known him to get involved in petty bickering, except the rare occasion, where he must bellow to silence fools. The very fact that he's weighed in with so lengthy a statement speaks volumes.
As for you John Jay, I direct you to the wisdom that is Top Gun; "Maverick, you just did an incredibly brave thing. What you should have done was land your plane! You don't own that plane, the tax payers do!"
By entering the armed services, in real life, you are given a firearm. That remains the property of the US Government. The housing you live in. The building you work in. All owned by the US Government. You do not gain it as personal property.
Top Gun sets another confused young man right.
That Colin has weighed in, with as lengthy and carefully considered a post as that, speaks volumes.
I have not always agreed with Colin, which usually means I'm wrong.
Relorian is a conspiracy theorist. Gets old really.
I lol'd at the Wannabemarine comment. It's one of the top fighting forces in the eWorld. I'll let you save some face by not showing you the statistics.
Thank you for the article. I appreciate the distinction Colin makes between the soldiers and JCS system which he dislikes. Unfortunately most articles and shouts I've seen for the last few days have been anti-ex-military to the whole of the military, not just to the JCS system, leading me to believe he is the minority when it comes to lacking ill will towards soldiers and the military community they make up of.
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Proud to call Colin a friend.
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Unfortunately only way for this country overcome power trippers is to be erased, several times and being some time in slavery. Then will be common sense.
I don't see how orgs that have been donated to the military by military members are somehow considered by some to belong to the government.
I don't want to pick sides but looking to real life when people/organisations/countries separate they do usually take the assets in their possession. Examples include a divorce between a couple, when two businesses have merged but then split from another again, or even countries such as Serbia&Montenegro, Sudan etc.
I'm not going to take a side, but the best way for this to be over, is for both sides to accept the current situation, and not resort to petty point scoring, having a fight over what belongs to who. Just leave things the way they currently are, names included.
Plus if you want this DOD orders org, couldn't you create a new one like you created a new military? New Military, new DOD orders org?
To be honest,I do not care much about eUSA. But some people's ignorance just demands a comment.
eUS military was created and belongs to eUS citizens represented by eUS government. Therefore everything it obtains or produces also belongs to eUS citizens represented by eUS government.
I highly doubt if Max and other people would donate anything to the eUS military if it was a private militia.
Those are only the obvious facts and logical conclusions. In addition to those, I can also say that I've heard about eUS military being out of control of the government for my entire e-life, which is about a year and a half. In my opinion it was one of the factors that contributed to degradation of ePolish-eAmerican relations in early 2010 and eUS exit from EDEN.
"To be honest,I do not care much about eUSA. But some people's ignorance just demands a comment.
eUS military was created and belongs to eUS citizens represented by eUS government. Therefore everything it obtains or produces also belongs to eUS citizens represented by eUS government.
I highly doubt if Max and other people would donate anything to the eUS military if it was a private militia.
Those are only the obvious facts and logical conclusions. In addition to those, I can also say that I've heard about eUS military being out of control of the government for my entire e-life, which is about a year and a half." x2
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Agreed with colin. Love the former military, hate the JCS.
Also agreed with Barabasz.
And @max king... what does DOD stand for? It belongs to a branch of the gov't, not the former military.
My second comment in 2 days. That's got to be a record for me...
Let them keep the companies and orgs if they agree to change their name and stop insisting they are still the eUS Military (except the DoD org, com'on max king, now you are just acting like a child). It would be nice to have them remain an effective fighting force. We can use the damage.
I see the same handful of names commenting in articles. I would love to hear what the rank and file have to say about this. Most of them are cool guys. It seems a few milfags and politifags are making all the noise.
BTW, if you look at my avatar and immediately discount my opinion or assume this is some kind of attack on the former military, FU for being ignorant and/or narrow minded.
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I am not joining a militia. Sorry Congress had to be butthurt.
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