Clarity and Contradiction
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by SaraDroz
Deary me... what a mess! Where to start? Let me make my views clear before examining our Governments ever changing policies.
Clarity
A. The Exiles
I sympathise with those eCanadians who have left our community. I do NOT believe though that leaving your community when it needs helps, nor fighting against it or encouraging our allies to wipe us is right, honourable or will resolve what is becoming literaly a civil war. I call on all those who have left to return home and support our fight to regain the Honour and soul of eCanada. Some of you are FAR better fit than I to lead this campaign and I will happily defer to and support you if you return home and take up a democratic cause to win our country back. Fighting against me and those of us who are on your side is NOT the right option. Come home and join us!
B. The Referendum
The Congress vote on the pardon issue was passed 16;15 (with Acacia voting for pardon). Yet all recent surveys suggest that most of the public oppose this... This issue is SO divisive that, in my opinion, a public consultation is warranted. Can it seriously put eCanada in a worse position than we are already in? IF a referendum decision is held to binding for 6 months then we are likely to have the exiles home and give ourselves time for reconciliation as the matter is 'put to bed' for 6 months. How else can we reconcile Acacia and his supporters with the exiles and the majority opinion with that of Congress?
C. The eUK Peace
Only one word about this, as Napoleons Old Guard said when asked to surrender at the end of Waterloo "Merde!" Why would we give them peace? I have yet to fathom an answer. If eUK wishes peace let them leave ONE and MPP us and our allies. Until then "Merde!"
Contradiction and Appeasement
A. Regarding the exiles our esteemed CP clearly said in his podcast on Day 1571 (CP Press Conference) "come home and help me rebuild... you are the medicine needed to cure the patient." Laudable words and a noble ambition. However the very next day he labels them 'terrorists'. So which exactly are they? Medicine or terrorists? I do NOT agree with fighting against eCanada but the CP cannot have it both ways; are they to come home or not? I had the opportunity to ask Acacia about this last night on IRC in #eCan and he gave a most revealing answer: It appears that he regards them as fighting "against me", which he later qualified as 'against my Government'. So they are not fighting against us, including we who sympathise with them but regard their actions as ill judged... No this is personal apparently. Acacia my CP, for whom I voted; they are NOT fighting you. They are fighting Rolo and corruption. Sadly your policy of appeasement has placed you between the two and you are forced to act as the defender of a thief. You forgave the thief and serial Party PTOer but you cannot forgive ill judged patriotism? So it seems at present but nothing is stable in policy terms.
Referendum Flip Flop
Up until this point I had hoped that the suggestions I made yesterday would be viewed constructively and perhaps some form of National Unity Government including the exiles could be formed. At first this seemed to be the case when the CP said in his article 'CP State of the Nation - Day 1572'; "I have been asked to pass a referendum. Truth is, it was already planned." Was it? You never mentioned it in your campaign or after but ok good! Sadly though this was too good to be true for in his second article yesterday entitled 'CP Let Loose the Dogs of War - Day 1572' we have an immeadiate 'about face', I quote; "There will be no referendum. The pardon stands and it will stand indefinitely." I am truly in awe and astonished at this. I'm sure it makes some kind of history and deserves an award of some type, though sadly not one to be proud of. One wonders why this 'planned policy' was so abruptly changed? What a shambles but it may change again so lets hold our horses here...
eUK Peace and Allied Threats
So yesterday we were informed that;
A. "a meeting was held with Ireland and France with us, to discuss an offer made by the eUK government to agree to a surrender and cease fire on RW activity. The deal included returning 3 regions to the eUK in exchange for their surrender and thus a peace treaty. Both Ireland and I were in agreement with this arrangement and felt good about it. A second appeasement? and...
B. "our alliance is concerned about us...very concerned. It has been suggested that if we do not get our act together, our alliance will wipe us until we get our house in order. I have spent the better part of the last 2 days fighting off this position."
Some do not believe this 'allies threat' but let's trust the CPs word on this. Now the question is why are we favouring an eUK peace when our allies are so concerned as to contemplate invading us? Would signing a peace with eUK inspire our allies with renewed confidence in us? It may be presumed that the opposite would be the case. How can you sit for 'the better part of 2 days' convincing our allies not to invade us and the same time wish to sign a peace treaty with a common foe? To me at least there appears to be some double dealing in this... I am confounded as to the ambiguity of the two, it just doesn't make sense.
Conclusion: Principles versus Populism
Of course the very root of the Governments current policy dilemnas and contradictions is the CPs political chicanery. He is an astute judge of public opinion and will change course accordingly: When he announced his Cabinet he praised the economic acumen of Octavian_F and said he would be MoF, when people disliked this choice political expediency dictated that Octavian be dismissed before he had even taken office. Was Octavian suddenly found to lack the economic acumen for the job? No; his 'crime' was that he was not a vote winner. In this species of political opportunist one can expect the course to change countless times in order to keep ahead of the wind of public opinion and this is precisely why we have the current shambles where policy is changed within the course of hours.
I do NOT want to be CP and I repeat what I said on IRC yesterday; If anyone, resident or exile, feels better placed to lead this anti appeasement campaign and restore integrity to our political system I will gladly defer and support them. I am unwillingly taking up this banner when I am sure there are others better placed to lead than I and I hope others will come home and step forward. However I am NOT a quitter and if need be I shall go forward.
Sadly, for me, the CPs political manouvering to gain popularity is a form of Machiavellist populism too far. A Government lacking principles, lacking clarity, lacking conviction, lacking belief in anything, that cannot keep a policy for a single day is a disgrace. There is political 'cleverness' and then there's trying to be too clever. We don't have an MoF, we have/don't have a referendum policy, we want the exiled 'terrorist' back, we are threatened by our allies but willing to make with their enemy... Acacia Mason struts like a modern day Chamberlain proclaiming appeasement and 'Peace in our time'... The Sudetenland is lost and the exiles gone; we are weakened by this loss. I repeat to him the Cromwellian indictment quoted to Chamberlain in 1939: "You have sat too long for any good you have been doing lately... Depart, I say; and let us have done with you. In the name of God, go!"
Until and unless others come forward I shall continue.
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Pretty nice article like always Sara.
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Indeed.
" It has been suggested that if we do not get our act together, our alliance will wipe us until we get our house in order. I have spent the better part of the last 2 days fighting off this position"
I've never heard such nonsense in my elife.
I dont get something...I mean I know Canada is prolly the most retarded country in the game...but how can yall let a guy thats the biggest retard in Canada, this rolo character, hold Canada hostage?
it would be funny if it wasnt pitiful.
HOLY MACKINAW WTF IS WRONG WITH U PPL
margaret, its a good idea tbh. you try to be nice to a kid, but if he doesnt listen, u gotta spank him till he does
I suggest we let Russia invade us, I don't to be with those butthurt enough who left us for the USA
lol
ShadowMJ for Supreme Ruler of eCanada.
.."as fighting "against me", which he later qualified as 'against my Government"
lol... another one who believe himself Our Master. omg, I haven't seen one labile man like this one in my entire life: one word today - the opposite word tomorrow.
I was not aware we held territory anywhere near Sudetenland, yet I am still distressed to hear of its loss. Plus, that Cromwell player should realize that our political module will only allow us to replace Acacia with the runner up in the election, should he depart. I don't think we have a Churchill next in line, either.
It will be quite hard and a very long-term plan to win back the players we lost, so it seems practical to focus on the foreign/alliance threats now and do steady work at solidifying people's confidence in eCanada. I did enjoy the article and wish you all the best in your crusades, Sara.
I would take 1 Rolo over 10 SaraDroz's...
Oh SaraD you kill me...
Go talk to those who have left who have left me with 3 options in our negotiation:
1) Turn the CP chair over to Rolo and let them attack him directly
2) Veto the pardon and let go of my fear of losing everything
3) Let the country be wiped
SaraD would have me meddle with the democracy instead of letting a duly elected Congress do what it was elected to do.
Your best comment yet..."I wont run for CP" Of course you wont SaraD, because then if you did you would subject to the same barbs and arrows you so quickly throw at everyone else. There is a phrase I use for a person like you and it goes like this...
Shit or get off the pot!
Cheers!
So yesterday we were going to have a referendum, then not going to and now we are again? Is this a flip or a flop? I am confused as you mind appears to be... IF nobody else comes forward I SHALL continue; clear?
I'd vote for Aeriala over SaraDroz
I would take 1 Rolo over 10 SaraDroz's... x2
I'd vote for Aeriala over SaraDroz x2
Sara4CP 😃
"Go talk to those who have left who have left me with 3 options in our negotiation [...]"
Wasn't me.
SaraDroz has a nice rack i would definately take 10 of her over a couple thousand Rolo's.
Rylde has a point
I heard SaraDroz likes to take trips to Greece to go with her nice rack....
She'd be the perfect woman if she would stfu - but there's a solution to that also......
@ Rylde et. al.
Whether you agree with Sara's position or not is completely beside the point, it's the year 2012 and it's no longer appropriate to objectify Sara or any other woman as you have. Women are valuable contributors to any society- be it in real life or in game- and your comments serve only to oppress them and to undermine their accomplishments.
Respect us or gtfo.
The way this discussion has descended into complete inanity is so typical.
"Go talk to those who have left who have left me with 3 options in our negotiation [...]" I was one of them, however I only proposed one of those options: the veto of the rolo pardon. Acacia seems to be taking the other two from an off hand comment Ralph made... so much for honest discussions, most of the PM chain was us all yelling at each other... we are such a big happy family (smile).
@S😨 I spent a long time fighting against Rolo internally, in fact I would argue that I was yelling the loudest, however the country's congress moved in a different direction. When people feel oppressed and that their not being heard by government the valve available to them is protest, should protest be ignored or suppressed over time, civil disobedience becomes the only option available. I was opposed to tanking against the country and the action threatened by our allies until I saw what Acacia was writing in the media. Now i have far more sympathies for those literally fighting to wake our country up.
"I spent a long time fighting against Rolo internally, in fact I would argue that I was yelling the loudest,"
And there's the reason why you never got any where. You're yelling did nothing more than make your throat sore. Perhaps rather than wasting your time with conspiracy theories, you should have spent a little time coming up with a solution.
And the more I read, the more that I think a little loss of land may do us a great world of good.
All the wars that I have been through quite instantly clarified positions, unified spirits and gave purpose to battles. Currently we defend our positions, and sit around waiting for UK's next move and respond when we notice it. But the offence, thats where the rubber hit the road. Thats where the best and brightest put all arguments aside and threw in for the spirit of expansion, and bettering the country as a whole.
So, to all the e😜atriots(and they are still patriots) and the current, welcome the downfall of eCanada as it sits, if nothing more than to just see a unified spirit and the removal of the malaise that was inevitable.
To all the Rolo haters, know that if Rolo did'nt cause some stir back then, someone else would have, or we'd be discussing the fact that we dont have all 10 production items, and being angry at a foriegn country for not sharing...there would be something to complain about, and it would get old because nothing can be done about certain things. Continuing to complain about it does'nt change anything in the past.
And to all the Rolo Supporters, know that what rolo did back then was not in anyway fair play for the country, and I will let rolo consider what that means to himself. I grant you that the past was the past, but everyone has long memories. Trust will not be gained as easily as it was lost.
So, maybe wiping eCanada may be a good thing, and it may bring the exPatriots back, if for nothing more to cleanse house by fire. I, for one, would support them in the quest. The malaise we face(and have been facing for months now) will crumble our country far faster than any outside threat could ever do, as signified by the loss of some of our best and brightest from my first days of gaming in eRepublik.
As one of the people in on in the chain with Acacia and Ralph, I don't necessarily agree with his categorization of the discussion. The three e😜ats made no demands, they simply explored to him the options we realistically thought he had and explained to him what we saw as the pitfalls and advantages to each. Of course there is no magic solution, and of course all possibilities have a downside. The question is whether or not the downside of some of those outweighs the downside of the course AM and the nation has actually chosen.
I salute Sara's intentions here and she is operating from a position of principle, which it will always be my position is a more stable position than one of expediency. She upbraids AM for flipflopping on the referendum, and in my opinion rightfully so -we all know the process for election to Congress is pretty bogus, and big decisions only gain true legitimacy when they are decided by the larger team. For that reason, I think a referendum would have been a superior choice, but I also think I know why AM ultimately rejected that choice:
First, he is convinced that in a referendum, the pardon would be rejected. Opinion polls tend to support that view.
Second, he is convinced that, if a pardon is rejected, the Thief will successfully take over EPIC, and AM considers that will mean an enormous tragedy for the nation.
Now, you can call that what you will: submission to blackmail, or trying to preserve the nation. All CPs know or soon learn that politics is the art of the possible. AM didn't create this situation, and I believe his motivation is to preserve the team, which is laudable.
Where we disagree is on whether the price of the pardon a) is worth what it costs us b) is anything other than quicksand on which to build a future and c) whether it will actually make the Thief stop being an ass for anything other than the very short term.
At issue is how we do the math. His motivations I do not question.
Who's the flip flopper now Rigour6?
Acacia Campaigned on upholding the will of the congress. He campaigned on it, no one else stepped up to run against him on that platform and when elected by the majority of the populous, He held to what he stated to his voters in his campaign
To then ignore the will of the congress, and proceed to any sort or Veto or Referendum on a Veto would be to Flip Flop
your bias shows more and more every day Rigour6 - You have become a Righteous Troll
Thank you. As you well know you have always been an Unrighteous Troll.
😁😁😁😁😁😁😁😁😁😁😁😁😁😁😁We could make a new soap opera with all this
Actually as I remember it Rolo, Wally and Muglack were up last minute conspiring to block the CP ballot with the various PTO'd parties to make sure there could be no competition. Funny how I was there for that, wanna see the IRC logs?
"One wonders why this 'planned policy' was so abruptly changed?"
That's an easy question to answer Sara.
You came into IRC and acted like a World Class "See You Next Tuesday" and changed his mind.
As for the rest of the drivel in the comments, I can't be bothered.
@ Mug: it is a pretty weak position that can't take a bit of friendly critique. If the resolve of the CP is not made of sterner stuff than that, you have a big problem. All's to say I doubt very much Sara changed Acacia's mind out of spite, and would think far less of him if she had.