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ST6 and UM are the only thing standing between america and ONE.

Could you give me evidence of this theft?

You forgot to mention how we still intend to fight for the eUS and repel the invasion. You forgot to mention how Congress threatened to defund the military on the eve of an invasion.

You say Brad went and stole all this stuff, the fact is Brad basically told Congress to shove it and that he wasn't going to have any Congress' crap with micromanaging the Military. The Military has never had a problem serving the Government, but we serve the President. We have a problem when Congress tries to wield the military as their own personal sword.

Congress is as much at fault for this as the Military is Avruch. You are unfairly taking advantage of a BAD situation where both sides are wrong and you are running this and trying to promote militias. I don't blame you for promoting militias but try to do it in a way that you don't take advantage of a situation and twist and turn the facts.

Armandez, the simple fact is that Congress (and the constitution, and the president) are superior in authority to the CJCS. If he defies their authority and refuses to obey the constitution, what else do you expect them to do besides threaten to take away funding?

Sounds like a load of BS propaganda skipping out on a lot of facts, such as the ones Armandez mentioned.

Why would congress want to fund something that won't cooperate, instead of other groups that will?

Fact is the military doesn't run the country, but they're trying to act like it. Militias don't run the country, it just happens that the highly elected officials are joining militias for freedom and to get away from the RP bullcrap that is the eUS military. Free food or weapons? Not being in a military organization is pointless.

I don't know the whole story obviously, but Reala was a terrible president, and now he looks like a terrible CJCS. Honestly I did not want to see the military go or change or anything. I wanted to see leadership from Reala, and that means cooperating with congress as much as everything else.

Let the military become it's own militia if this is what it wants for itself now. Fund them for what they need like we do militias, and round up the best tanks, get them together, and fund the hell out of them.

http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/election-day-april-2011-1736129/1/20

V+S, Avruch

Avruch for truth. I've known him almost two years now and he doesn't BS. I'm sad to see that this path was chosen.

"Divide et impera"
Something smell bad. factions who fight each othrer. It's a safe way down. And it works. Don't be foul, don't split. Rest united.

this is a game.. chill out

FYI: Brad admitted to me personally that he refused to pass along orders to the USNG to attack former allies when he was in charge of that branch and posted such in the USNG section of the military forum.

This is about control - who controls the power. Make no mistake about it, it was about control when I was PotUS and we had the issues with Sindh and it's about control now.

The US needs to fix this.

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Nah, if I was recruiting, I'd actually talk about militias and include more cool images.

This was a long time coming. Truth of the matter is that the Military, whether they like it or not, is part of overall Governmental Structure. What Congress needs to realize is that they don't have a say in who is elected/appointed JCS (though, I feel the exec should, but that's a whole other story). Congress handles the military's budget and in essence votes on wartime strategy. It's a machine and if they work independently of each other, it will be broken and non-functional.

The military are a bunch of spoiled brats. Given everything they could ever want and need and when they are needed more than ever, they pull this bullshit. Cowardice and greed are the only two traits required of the CJCS.

This is only pouring gasoline onto a fire.

What Dell said. Good luck with your post-apocalyptic playland, America.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z0GFRcFm-aY

The president should have some say in who the CJCS is but congress should not

Good staff bro, indeed. With that article You will help USA a lot, I mean A LOT.

Due to the mechanics of eRepublik, congress are in charge of spending - which is what the military needs to survive. End of.

Its funny to note that anytime there is a military "controversy" the same 5 to 10 people are behind it. Seems to me that had those 5 to 10 people not been stubborn when asked about a minor revision to something the military is complying with, this situation wouldn't have happened. Its also Ironic that those same people have consistently pushed to get their own private armies more funding or themselves more power.

Makes you wonder if they aren't just in the business of manufacturing controversy for their own political and economic gains.

I want to add that the military is filled with honorable, hardworking leaders and rank and file soldiers who deserve and desire leadership that they can look up to with respect and also know that their leaders have the respect of our entire nation. This includes the WH and Congress, for their work, and their leadership; which includes cooperation with and for the sake of not just the soldiers they lead, but for our entire nation.

We have many good military leaders, some already within the JCS, who can and will rise to lead our nation's military. I have no doubt that a rapid and thorough housecleaning will allow these new leaders to reform the eUSA military to be high functioning, DMG delivering machine we all know it can be.

Pull the ban-aid off fast! Let's get this over with immediately so new Military leadership can move quickly to leading our soldiers to the actual fun of defeating our enemies.

As a militia member, former 4x Congressperson and WH staff member, I look forward to the day we return to viewing our bros and sisters in the military as our partners and they see us in the same light... Partners FTW!

I don't know Avruch personally, but he seems like a chill dude. But I feel like this needs to be mentione😛
Avruch was one of the primary writers of the Ammendment that gave Congress more control over the JCS. The same ammendment that required that all branch XO's be made part of the JCS.
Avruch was XO of the cavalry of the time. And he would of stand to become a member of the JCS.
Then he was fired (reason was OPSEC, but thats prolly bullshit).
And now, here he sits. As the Secretary of Defense (elect). And when the military is restructured, Avruch will be it's leader.
Well played sir. This is a remarkable power grab. Few could of had the foresight that you've had. o7

Worth noting, Israel Stevens, that the part about making XO's JCS was Pfeiffer's idea, not mine.

@Israel:
It's not really a power grab. Under the new system that will hopefully be implemented, the SecDef distributes orders and funds to the military, but cant tell them how to organize internally really. It will be as if all the armed forces are just branch-size militias.

I don't know if Avruch always wanted something like that in place, but I have, and so have a lot of other people. That doesn't make us powermongers or anything, it just means we see a system that divides the community and creates two Heads of State, when there should only be one: POTUS.

I know that pfeiffer wrote most of the article. And I never believed that Avruch was trying to insert himself into the JCS. But, it is an interesting set of circumstances.

@Cerb: It is not a problem to want it. But it becomes a problem when you do everything you can, good or bad, to accomplish that. And that is a corrupted mind and a power grab. We have seen the little-by-little power grab of UM in the US ever since it has been established. It's said to see the iNCi have turned out to be quite reasonable, but people from the inside of the state to undermine the state. This will ultimately turn into a TO of the US.

Spamgobbler, removing a member of the JCS requires a 2/3 vote of SITTING members of Congress. That's virtually impossible under any circumstances, including these. To say that we gave Congress the ability to "decapitate" the military at will is just plain wrong.

I'm sure Emerick becoming president also had something to do with it

I'm stuck 3:

Why in Gods name would anyone put Bradley Reala in charge of ANYTHING?

I was the first SecDef, can I be the next First?

I have to agree with HitelKan here.

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I don't know much about all this political nonsense, but I do know if you guys don't get your head and ass wired together we are going to lose the country. Please put aside your petty differences and FUND the damned military.

Thanks

I truly hope that Congress doesn't pussy out of this conflict. This HAS been a long time coming and for too long has the JCS acted solely within its own interests instead of answering to the people that work to fund them.

1. The military has no say in foreign policy and should get it in their heads that if they want to pursue a political career, then get involved with that aspect and not the military.

2. You cannot have your cake and eat it too. You fight on the peoples' dime, you'll also need to learn to listen to their concerns when their duly elected officials have them, instead of dragging your feet, kicking, screaming and whining like infants throwing a temper tantrum.

3. Militias. You should be ashamed of yourselves for being less efficient, considering they have less manpower and exponentially less funding. Furthermore, the fact that these guys don't have any problems answering to the government that was elected or appointed by electoral procedure by the people the military claims to serve.

Less QQ and more pewpew. Lord knows that not enough of that has been coming from the military lately.

How is it that the mil can DD etc. without cause, it holds its members accountable to their non mil activities, removing their free speech, ability to hold office etc., yet feels that it should not be held accountable to the very people who fund it in terms of financial information and accountability in terms of continued failures to perform as anticipated and expected. The basic cost per DMG is insane. What is THE MIL DOING WITH ALL THAT MONEY? 120K per week should buy a few victories.

What I fail to understand is how do the mid levels and non JCS leadership of mil. put up with this? You are the ones who have been getting the really bad deal, you and your guys are the ones who benefit the least from how things have been. I suspect many UM never would have left if things were fair and good, are they?

Personally, not in any way to reflect the views of the militia I belong to: ST6 prides itself on freeing oppressed people, often small nations overpowered by Peace GC, Phoenix and now the new 'same thugs, different name' group. Why is it that I personally feel like our own mid level military needs rescuing from oppression? Time to shake off the old milfags grip of power and control, let the bells of Freedom at home first ring for our military!

I wish Brad well in his new militia.

Sounds like a military coup is afoot. Interesting. I'm not sure who to cheer for.

nothing justifies the military abandoning the leadership structure of the eUnited States...except the Congress abandoning the military....

Yeah, Congress giving them 120K USD per week sure sounds like abandonment to me.

Only thing I know is that we play the game to get land and gold. Military gets the land, congress gets the gold. Mind telling me why congress supercedes the military when both goals are almost equally important?

Could you give me evidence of this theft?

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Theft is a serious allegation. If you cannot provide evidence then I believe you can be reported for personal attacks.

PS: The eMil stands ready, as always, to defend the eUSA.

Don't tread on me!

Lol Avruch.. I'm disappointed in you

"Removing a member of the JCS requires a 2/3 vote of SITTING members of Congress. That's virtually impossible under any circumstances, including these. To say that we gave Congress the ability to "decapitate" the military at will is just plain wrong. "

(and again, it's all about role play - the military is role-playing a military command structure with promotions based on merit and without outside input - that's why it's set up that way, so arguing about DD without cause and all that crap is just abuses of power that come with a top-down command structure which is a different discussion altogether)

I ask you this, and please tell me how I am wrong: The amendment states that Congress may remove any member of the JCS with sufficient votes, right? That's all it says. Nevermind the actual likelihood of mustering the votes to accomplish it. The ability is there with NO statement of cause for which Congress can exercise that power. Why is it even there in the Constitution then if it's NEVER GOING TO BE USED?

So your point is "it will never happen." Why put it in to begin with then? It doesn't increase accountability in any way whatsoever. It gives Congress no more expectation of receiving the information that they desire, and it's a slap in the face to the players in charge of the military. As it exists, the amendment is basically two parts:

1) You are accountable to us. We want info.

2) We can fire you if we get enough votes.

There's no link between the two! A simple "if" between the two clauses would make it a very reasonable exercise of Congressional power and one that no reasonable, non-deranged military officer could take legitimate exception to. "You are accountable to us: we fund you, and we want to know where those funds go. IF you don't tell us, we can remove you." That makes sense. Action (or inaction)leads to consequences.

But that's not what it says. And here we are.

and @ Animis:

If this were all about money for damage, the entire budget of the eUS should be given to Colin Lantrip to fight every single battle for us fully armed. But where's the fun in that for every other eUS citizen?

Your political parties and militias have their own agenda. They do not support the organization that was created to protect this great country. Politicians have ignored the United States military, which was designed to protect this nation during WW3. Now politicians have selfishly created militias to take away the power from the military and try to force it down until there is nothing left.

There is no way anyone in the right mind would be able to just mess around with the only thing that has stood strong for years now as this country has had it major problems.

wow...very provocative and misleading...good job

Hey CJCS Sindh, you can't report a personal attack unless it's an insult, but thanks again for showing your intelligence.

I'll be sending you a map for your birthday.

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