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I like articles with pictures.

I like well researched and presented articles which focus on facts.

This article is one of those - and I applaud Paul for the thoroughness of his research.


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what facts? only facts are see are links to banned accounts. the rest of it is very much pie in the sky!

"it's quite obvious you and UKPP been working with BP/Lemon"

What?

pretty obvious dude... I mean, all the evidence points to me and UKPP, did you not read his article?

well is it not likely you will be needing the support of those parties to get the CP position next month?
Or are you anticipating getting the support of UKRP and TUP instead?

What?

A standard picture of my dog would paint wayne in a worse light than whatever this is.

A bloke in UKRP who some thought was a genuine new player turned out to just be BigAnt having a giggle was banned recently, fairly plausible that it's BP plants of some description and wayne's just being wayne and stirring the pot

See if this is true and not just a windup comment it proves my point because if BigAnt did plant someone in UKRP then the same could have been done to TUP as well and as I've made clear the 5 in TUP did not affect the election results whereas those in BP/Lemon last month most certainly did in the most dramatic way possible - it's hardly likely UKRP/TUP put these in Lemon to undermine our own position and Government.

Nah genuinely that dude Raw Ability was perma banned at the same time bigant got temp'd

I don't think anybody's saying the TUP things can't be plants... or at least I wasn't? or was I...no I wasn't

but then claiming it was a wayne fix up coalition job the whole time is quite mental gymnastics-ish

Paul you are one of the biggest cry babies here, TUP were caught with multis yesterday, the other day at the elections loads of old 2009 TUP / ukrp accounts were banned when TUP get caught cheating your try to divert attention to your crimes.

Since them accounts were banned at least 20/30 from tup.ukrp have been banned,you blame everyone else apart from TUP you are just a idiot

Whoever made those multis and reported them did so for a reason and because it did not affect the result it suggests to me they were a plant to undermine TUP.

lol you are a proper nutter get that foil hat off, a tup member created them accounts and if it wasnt for me them votes would have counted and they still would be here TUP have been caught with their hand in the cookie jar once again.

No one else has made any articles on it, your party has just been cheating. it no biggie man 🙂

"a tup member created them accounts" - name please?
"your party has just been cheating. it no biggie man" - yes it is a biggie, if you know who it was I want to know

it was You just admit it that is why you so butt hurt today you cheat and you have been exposed.

What do you mean it was me? How have I been exposed when I've written the article?

Few points.

Simply noticed that TUP had lost 5 players, kinda suspected which player it would be based on the trail he left. Aint even looked at the list, but I'll assume Count of Montecristo or something to that effect is among them?

Have 'my mates' ever been accused of multies? Please expand on who you consider to be 'my mate' and why.

I did indeed condemn their actions, just like I condemned UKRP at the last CP election and will shine the torch at my own party and WRP if suspicions are raised. With people like Dapper and BigAnt, it's not surprising when they do it. The sudden rise in Lemon was explained way before they made a dash for Top 5. Anyone with half a brain could see it was on the cards.

Just because you have ran over loads of people and the other guy has only ran over 1 , does not make the crime any less of a crime. Both sides have done wrong.

When the eUK has had a year like we have had this year, I agree it is quite obvious that eventually, the general populace will start to listen to those that talk and make sense. When Dapper and Huey are the best we can do, something has gone wrong. You can claim whatever you like, all I, personally have done is point a spotlight at mistakes. All you and certain sections of the eUK has done since I announced my return is attack me. You've tried to exclude me unsuccessfully, tried to exclude those that associate with me, tried to paint your own pretty pictures of me. You think I'm gonna sit back and take that? My dude, I haven't even started to fight yet. If you want to concede defeat already, than you are much less of a player that I took you for.


Regards, I have nothing but respect for you Paul. You have been the one spreading lies and trying to undermine me. All I have done is defend myself.

oh and provide the full context of the last screenie, regarding 'my side of mongress' and you will tell the whole story.

You are no better than the BBC bro...

I didn't know Paul was a black man.

comments like that are why I consider you 'my mate'...

"Simply noticed that TUP had lost 5 players, kinda suspected which player it would be based on the trail he left."
So who was it? Prince Harry claims he knows as well, I would like to know who it is, seeing as everyone apart from me (apparently) seems to know.

Count of Montecristo, he left a blatant trail of new accounts. Even Fata spotted him and commented on my comment.

It's a bit worrying when other player pay more attention to TUP than TUP members do...

You haven't counted any of my points? Is it because you can't?

Cristo and Raw Ability both banned about the same time?

What if they were planted by the TUP so that they can accuse other parties of planting them?

See, Conspiracy theories are fun!

what if it was Ireland so they could say there's more "internal trouble" so Rusty can get that hot peace deal?

hmmmmm

4D chess at it's finest...

Indeed yours and the comments I've received in this article prove my point because whoever was/is responsible for those 5 multis has won.
We know BP/Lemon cheated massively last month to steal Congress and overthrow the Government, whilst these 5 made absolutely no difference to the outcome of the Congress elections - yet to pronounce both sides as equally guilty is to allow those who are guilty to win.

So. Let me get this straight. Wayne makes a shout about TUP losing 5ish members to the admin's multi hunt and it's 'playing the righteous card'?

You post a bunch of links to banned Lemon and BP multi accouts, yet it's somehow Wayne and UKPP's fault?

That's a serious stretch Paul, even for your overactive imagination.

This new theory and outrage on your part has nothing to do with TUP and UKRP being behind the most disastrous CP term in recent memory, does it?

Stop lying to cover your failings.

Tl;dr

People Use Multis
TUP got caught
TUP cried
TUP blamed Wayne
Pictures are good

So would you play poker with someone who you knew cheats? I wouldn't and your argument along with what others seem to be saying is I should cheat as well, because everyone else does it?

You may or may not personally cheat but the evidence has pointed to TUP running multi's for year's. Everyone else acknowledges that it's a cheap underhanded tactic that almost every party has used at one point or another, but TUP wrote the master class on it and now here you are crying wolf, seems legit.

So which long standing and current member of TUP is it that's doing this - Madelina, Dougal, me?

For all we know Paul, it could be a new player that is slightly retarded.

When we use the term TUP, we mean people in TUP, not like you lot who use UKPP as another way to say Wayne... No one has accused a particular person.

It is a good thing the multis are being caught, from what party I don't care, so neither this time when it is mine, it is a good thing, get rid of the cheaters.
The eUK seems to living up by accusations all the way, every time from one to another.
It is not what livings up the game, I think it is contrary.
Sadly you have lost pleasure playing the game. I hope you will find it anywhere back Paul.
Best regards.

' Cheating your way to power in the eUK ' is chapter in the TUP handbook.

dont listen to this preposterous cheater

Wrong account Wayne, better log into the other one

be even better if Zaphod deleted it...

To blame UKPP for the failings of other parties is, quite frankly, ludicrous. Once I saw you as a reasonable person, someone I would have been happy to work alongside despite party differences. Now it appears that you have completely lost the plot and are looking for scapegoat and chasing shadows everywhere.

I'd have thought you were better than this, Paul.

Last time I was in a group message with members of Lemon and BP was when Appleby decided to make segregated Congress group messages and I reported it for spam, so as the PP I would really like to hear from Paul about our parties working togethe...

as we all know Everythings Waynes fault on here 😃

First eUK political article I've read in 3 years. Just the same as when I stopped reading them. Even the names are the same. 10/10 for consistency.

Hey Niko

British and Serbian ePolitics are really similar...we are our own worst enemies 😃

Or another way of looking at Wayne's gloating is he is merely copying those who gloated when the shoe was on the other foot. Or is gloating only acceptable when your friends do it?

All this article demonstrates is a lack of awareness over your own double standards....

so what you're basically saying is that everyone else is a liar, thief or cheat or some combination of those 3 and I should just do the same?

Not sure how you came to that intrepation of what I said.

But people like you are quick to condemn when it appears people on the other side of the fence doing wrong, but take offence at the same accusations you've thrown about used against you. Your party has been caught out this time but rather than condemn someone from your own side doing wrong, you try to blame those condemning your friends for it.

But claiming stealing a can of beans is the same as mass murder, ie a crime is a crime and everyone's as bad as one another is the problem because whoever (if it was one person) was responsible for those 5 votes did not make any difference to the election results whereas the 30 odd accounts that BP/Lemon made directly affected the results because Lemon shouldn't have even been in Congress. I was going to make an article at the time I collected the evidence, but I assumed someone else would do it and that someone in WRP would say something considering they were the ones who missed out.

Can you compare stealing a can of beans with murder??

A better comparison is who is worse between Stalin and Pol Pot in the murder stakes. At the end of the day, you can argue one was less of a murderer than the other and therefore less offensive, but ultimately you wouldn't want to be stuck in a room with either.

Maybe the five votes ultimately didn't make a difference, but is the principle is the same.

I think what's very interesting from some of the responses I've received (and I'm not upto the 25 yet) is that it is being suggested that virtually everyone else in the eUK is a cheat who's on the make somewhere. Now if this is in anyway true then the only fault that can be laid at my door is that I have been naive as to what you lot have been up to these last 3 years (and apparently before).