Bulgaria-EDEN-Turkey
radens
I wanted to write article regarding this issue long time ago, but I guess my laziness was to strong. Even though my laziness is still very strong latest events in EDEN encouraged me to do it now.
This is the way I saw all this Bulgaria-EDEN-Turkey soap and how I see the future of alliance:
1. After being mistreated by ONE, Turkey decides to change the sides and contacts EDEN HQ
When Turkey contacted EDEN HQ, a meeting between EDEN HQ and EDEN country members was held and the general opinion was to accept Turkey as friendly country .
That meeting gave EDEN HQ the right to start talking to Turkey about possible Turkey’s future with or in EDEN.
- few CPs (including Bulgarian) expressed their worries concerning this issue, but nobody was strictly against Turkey and the decision to welcome them as friendly country was unanimous
---> mistake no.1done by Bulgarian government
If Bulgaria didn’t want to give Turkey a chance (and it looks like Bulgaria never wanted that) they should have had the guts to say it from the start.
2. With support of all EDEN CPs, EDEN HQ starts negotiations with Turkey
As Turkey expressed desire to not only become EDEN friendly country, but one day EDEN member, their path to that had to be set and confirmed by all EDEN CPs.
- Turkey wanted to get away from ONE as soon as possible so they demanded 1 month trial
----> mistake no.2 done by EDEN HQ
EDEN HQ had to insist on holding to the rules set long time ago. Trial membership lasts 3 months and there can’t be any exceptions since one of the biggest values of EDEN always was the fact that we were all equal, no matter how big or small countries are.
3. Turkey accepted on trial
Summit was held and the main reason for it was to decide whether Turkey will become EDEN trial member or not.
In order to become EDEN trial member all EDEN countries had to vote in favor of Turkey.
As we all know, all EDEN CPs (including Bulgarian CP) voted yes and Turkey’s trial membership was accepted.
- again, some CPs expressed their worries concerning Turkey, but they all voted yes, aware of the precedent considering the length of trial period
----> mistake no.3 done by Bulgarian government
As most Bulgarians stated after Turkey was accepted on trial, they didn’t want Turkey in EDEN, not then, not tomorrow, not ever in the future.
If Bulgarian government was aware of that, then they either didn’t know what are their people’s wishes and interests or they deliberately worked against people’s will.
Since Bulgarian CP at the time was legally elected by the people of Bulgaria, he was legal representative of Bulgaria, authorized to make such a decision. If accepting Turkey on trial wasn’t the will of his people, then Bulgarian people can blame only themselves because they elected that man to represent them.
----> mistake no.4 again done by Bulgarian representatives
Bulgarian government didn’t clearly explain their actions to their people and didn’t have any propaganda (or if it had, it wasn’t good enough) regarding that subject ergo did nothing to convince their people that the decision to accept Turkey on trial was right and in interests of Bulgaria.
----> mistake no.5 done by EDEN HQ
EDEN population wasn’t properly informed of the Turkey trial membership and there was no propaganda that was supposed to convince general EDEN population that the decision of EDEN CPs and EDEN HQ was the right one.
----> mistake no.6 done by all CPs and EDEN HQ
Trial should have been set according to the rules (3 months) since 1 month trial was against one of the values EDEN was formed on (equality).
4. Turkey trial membership
Trial is a period of time that is given to the country that wants to become a part of EDEN to prove themselves worthy of the alliance and capable to cooperate with all the members.
Once the country is accepted as trial, all EDEN countries were supposed to meet candidate country with open minds, ready to cooperate and together overcome all issues.
Trial isn’t there just for the trial candidate to show itself, it’s there for EDEN to give its best to accept the candidate and help it to understand, learn to accept and cherish EDEN’s values.
- although Turkey was accepted on trial, the real trial never really started, since many didn’t gave it a chance
----> mistake no.7 done by Bulgarian people
Even though Turkey did pretty good during the trial period (returned Romanian and Israeli regions, fought for EDEN’s interests and tried to be friendly towards everyone) most Bulgarians didn’t care about that, since they rejected them before trial even started, therefore Bulgaria never even gave Turkey a chance to prove themselves.
5. Turkey - full EDEN membership
After spending 1 month on trial, as it was determined by EDEN CPs and EDEN HQ, time came to vote on Turkey’s full membership.
With too short trial, wrong attitude shown from Bulgaria and all the mistakes done during the process, Turkey’s dreams of being EDEN member were doomed from start.
----> As full member of EDEN, Bulgaria had every right to veto Turkey’s full membership in EDEN, but since Turkey never had a chance to prove anything, no reasons can justify it.
6. Veto = end of trial
Current situation is pretty messy.
In order to enter EDEN, country has to be accepted on trial. (country can become trial member only if all countries vote in its favor)
If trial was successful country can become full member of EDEN if all countries vote in favor of candidate.
What happens if candidate is rejected isn’t really defined since it never happened in a way it did in Turkey’s case.
Bulgaria says their veto should cancel Turkey’s trial membership too, while HQ says it doesn’t, but nobody is right. 🙂
----> Bulgarian representatives stated that they intend to stay neutral towards Turkey and have nothing against other countries having MPP and cooperating with Turkey and since trial membership is nothing more than MPP with friendly country I don’t see any problems here.
----> mistake no.8 done by EDEN as whole
Treaties are outdated and need to be renewed, supplemented and adjusted to the game conditions.
7. Bulgaria or Turkey?
That’s a question nobody in EDEN has the right to ask since we all had time to make decisions to stop this “storm”, but nothing was done.
Things have gone too far and if it really comes to deciding between Bulgaria and Turkey, it will be the end of EDEN and the eWorld we know.
Conclusion:
EDEN HQ and CPs did some mistakes, but so did Bulgaria (even more, not to mention provoking, disrespecting and insulting allies) and right now EDEN is in the worst situation ever (even worse than when Poland and Spain were leaving) and to be honest I don’t think we can fix it.
As I said before things have gone too far and nothing can bring them back.
If Bulgaria leaves EDEN, alliance would lose key part and would lose all dignity, respect and value.
If EDEN pushes Turkey back to hostility after all this, it will be no different than ONE (if not worse).
Damage is done and it can’t be repaired, EDEN is nothing more than a walking dead struggling with the burden called Bulgaria and Turkey.
I’ve spent ⅔ of my eLife as EDEN citizen and I always fought for what it meant and did all that was in my power to keep it that way, but I can’t call it my EDEN anymore.
It’s time for something new or maybe final logout...
[CRO]Radens, EDEN oldfag
Comments
fikus \o/
Well put
Thank you. It is really good article to issue eBulgaria-eTurkye-EDEN!
Respect!
http://www.erepublik.com/en/Turkey/law/97967 : D ...
MCMOOX je bio ovde!!!
Correct. Actually it is 60% that EDEN made its own death sentence when it missed to handle the situation fine from the start. There is no difference between ONE and EDEN right now. Both are old and dead, emptied out by the bad decisions from the HQs.
fag
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only way EDEN can survive is to veto turkey now
true story
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" but so did Bulgaria (even more, not to mention provoking, disrespecting and insulting allies)"
wait, i disagree, i think i'll hold a press conference!
"What happens if candidate is rejected isn’t really defined since it never happened in a way it did in Turkey’s case."
another summit should be made with 66% approval for a decision on what to do.
"to be honest I don’t think we can fix it."
you are wrong here.
p.s. dont let an immature cp and immature mofa troll you.
VOTE!!!
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@AThmopson: one is dead? thats news. :/
Vote!
@Radens
Turkey were excepted from a president who didn't ask the people about this issue.
For me this is PERSONAL opinion of Roonex.
Yes...you are gonna say that the people have choosen him,but the real vote of the people about the situation was during the referendum.
We can't do anything about Roonex decision...I'm saying it again,it was PERSONAL decision from his side.
You have vote for the article only because it seems that you really cares for the alliance.
Pretty solid article. However, not sure if the Bulgarian government (excluding nationalist congress members) ever deliberately insulted Turkey. I was told Turkish officials in EDEN command channels were not very respectful at times as well. Guess the discussion gets heated pretty fast.
I agree with ShadowMJ
@sofia_trollx8711: the referendum was on the 5th of the month, roonex was elected. bulgaria should have chose cp better and should respect what bulgaria said at that meeting. (no it wasnt roonex speaking, it was bulgarian representative speaking).
p.s. another referendum was 5th of this month, you lost.
p.p.s. eden held a referendum they voted bulgaria out. just saying, personal decision.
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Those who try to troll us all who belive in Brotherhood of EDEN, that always valued friendship above resources should be ignored.
We got a problem and I hope we can solve it, as we solved many problems in the past.
kolega o7
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personal decision of cp in a official meeting? yeap this is lolable.
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turks were saying when they changed sides who should they kick out of eden and ill quote exact part of shout ''should we kick gays or gipsies out of eden''
croats havent expressed really polite feelings toward that alliance, bt strong propaganda changed croatian point of view as i can see now. bulgaria never said turkey will be its ally presidents change every month population more or less stays the same. greeks they accepted turks because they couldnt stand being raped from the north, trading more buthurt for less i would say...
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good job..
@Smeagol the greek "gaf"
When eBulgarians choose the president Roonex they don't have any idea for eTurkey.
Next two presidents were against the joining of Turkey,but you are still saying that you count only Roonex's word?
U MAD?
sad but true
It's a very real and fair article.I can simply agree with you about mistakes #1,3,4 and and fully support,but agree even with mistake # 7!!!
And finally want to note that you very delicate just pass all the mistakes made by turkish government and turks in general during this period.The last issues in INCI-Turkey relations talks more than all diplomats and cheap words!!!
You must arrange your own home first and then start mess with us.
vote!
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Bulgaria problem
FAIL TURKEY
Bulgaria is an important country 4 eden and help EDEN 4ever
but this is not about POOR turkey
turkey must go out of EDEN
More or less correct. You only forgot to mention how EDEN HQ decided to handle the situation. With intimidation, threats and blackmails on Bulgaria. That's when the anti-EDEN feelings started to appear in BG too.
But don't worry, our dear economic organizer will fix everything up now.
@smee
we all know about the greece-turkey deal and how you guys are best friends now, but ur failtrolling Bulgaria
hmmmmmmmmmm
Big.m +99999999999
Those who try to troll us all who belive in Brotherhood of EDEN, that always valued friendship above resources should be ignored.
We got a problem and I hope we can solve it, as we solved many problems in the past.
+11111111111
Hail Turkey!
Hail Bulgaria!
Hail TEDEN!
FAIL TURKEY
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I think the number of racist players in e-Bulgaria is too high comparing to other e-countries. That is not going to change in short time.
So there is a few choices as you mentioned. i just want to add one more.
we let bulgarians to attack Turkey(they already fight against turkey indirectly) so that their racist steam would be off from time to time.
To bulgarian players: i really got nothing against you guys but you should accept that in rl and in here you have big issues about turkey. I can see that even in London
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And not to mention Turks who weren't even members yet but act as if they are masters of EDEN already, dicsussing non-stop who is enough EDEN and who isn't, who should leave, who should go to Terra, all this backed up by Croatians and Greeks ( puke).
Goxi HN, thanks for this info, I guess since the "gays" pretty much swalloed it all it will be the "gypsies" who will be kicked out.
i think solution is very easy
bulgarians should stop racism and hate towards over turks. Because of history that they lived under ottoman empire.That is past
AND THIS IS ONLY GAME
While reading this piece of shit I was thinking "It has to be written by a CROASANI".
Then, "[CRO]Radens"
Hail Brotherhood!
Hail Ataturks!
respect...
gogoreti, there arent any more racists in bulgaria than anywhere else. citizens of other EDEN nations agree: Turkey isnt EDEN material.
true, true..