Binary Party vs Teknokratene
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by Damien Alexander
Ever since the last presidential election there has been some tension between the Binary Party and Teknokratene. This has resulted in a lot of rumors and false speculations have been spread through the media. An because of this I have written this statement to clarify and kill some of these rumors.
First of all let me just say there is no conspiracy in the Binary Party were any of our members are “out to get” specific Teknokratene members. Nor does there exist any secret forum where we bad mouth and discuss “new ways to attack” any members of Teknokratene as claimed by Andreas Stassivik.
We have a party forum where we discuss our politics, just like Teknokratene.
We are not out to personally attack any members of Teknokratene, but we are a rival party and we will comment on your politics and the way to execute them. We are you rivals and you will have to accept that we question your politics and your methods. Maybe that is something you should try as well, instead of trying to be our reflection.
We have also been accused for somehow “boycotting” this government, because we lost the election?
This is not true!
Our party had worked hard since we registered our party to make sure progress was made for our citizens. We made a few key goals and worked hard to realize them.
But when Teknokratene can just take our political platform as their own and win the election on that, we have not been doing our job well enough. And we want to change that. That made most of the Binary Party members decide to concentrate on the Party and not use their energy in government.
We are still the biggest party in congress and are highly involved in all the discussions. We are not out to sabotage progress for our country. We welcome every discussion and will participate as best we can. We would never vote down a good proposal just because it came from a rival party. That is just ridiculous.
So what it all comes down to is this; We see Teknokratene as a invisible party that suddenly has woken to life on our politics.
You have not had a clear political agenda for months. You have done close to nothing in the matter of progress and change.
It’s not long since you had the president for 3 straight periods, still you were nearly incapable of proposing change or new ideas.
So I find it suspicious that when you suddenly decide to make you comeback you choose a politic identical to the newest party in the country. Everything in your politics except the effort to make the democracy transparent, is brand new point of views for you, and only vaguely presented in your manifest
So being the biggest party in Norway and having the most experience, I really thought you would be able to present new ideas and new political views on your own
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Summary: Eris copies everything from Cirno and BP. Since BP and TeK are political rivals, TeK will be relentlessly questioned and attacked, even when it is the only thing keeping the government running so this selfish little feud has come and will continue coming at Norway's expense.
"We have also been accused for somehow “boycotting” this government, because we lost the election?
This is not true!"
Citation needed here, I want to learn more about this point of view because this is the first time I've heard this and it is relevant to my interests, being a government employee who works multiple jobs in place of those offered to BP members (including your previous one).
Why _did_ a majority of the country vote for Eris if she's apparently such a bad decision for our country? BP members keep telling me "talk is cheap" but I must be getting confused with the election results...
(I am aware of the fact that many of the great things our current administration has done in office was not in Eris' original campaign speech.)
So are you claiming that these attacks are going to continue? I'm not sure I can handle that anymore.
Dude, even I, who barely comes to eRep, can see these obvious attempts at ruining whatever TeK tries to do. It's low. I know you're probably not in on it, but that doesn't change the fact that it IS HAPPENING, and it's really LOW.
Stassi, stop flame please. You behave like child not like politician!
Binary Party is rational in its choices and politics and we support what is good for Norway. But remember we can have different point of view than yours and you just have to cope with this. This is not attack and don`t know why you see this in such way. Every why has a wherefore. Did you attack anybody?
Good summary Damien! Thank you for posting this.
@Stassi
It is great that you have the time to take on so much responsibility. Me and probably the whole country thanks you for that. And you have done a good job in the position as mofa so far.
I never said Eris was bad for the country. What I said is that, in my opinion Teknokratene has appeared as a joke for many months and I doubt Teknokratenes ability to bring change and progress to our country. So you do in fact have a great opportunity to prove me wrong.
And yes, I am sure Binary Party will continue commenting on your articles and your politics
Ehm, this "you're copying us" thing is just a bit too stupid if you ask me (and I know you don't, still bringing it out there). You can't really claim to be the owners of the idea of building/buying hospitals, or the idea of getting a bigger population. TeK have also been around for a long time, always with the goal of making the country better for all citizens. You can't honestly believe that we just thought "oh, wonder what the BP guys think? A party program? Wonderful, we'll just copy it!"?
The whole BP vs TeK was, as far as I can see, started by Stassi (as an individual, not a party) having one paragraph in his election article where he explained why he (still as an individual) thought Eris would be a better president than Cirno (he's an individual too you know, not a party). Cirno then came back after the election and withdrew from politics because he lost, throwing some shit towards TeK and with that starting the whole boycott, which is a fact - it's not because Eris didn't want BP guys in her government. Of course it's harder for TeK to do their job without the same support to their government as has always been given the other way around. While at the same time starting this party-war noone asked for. Of course that makes it harder to start new initiatives.
Btw, the Ambassador program was initially my idea when I was MoFA with you as vice-MoFA. I started the topic and discussion, then withdrew from it when I lost my position as MoFA because of change of presidency. Did it make me angry that the next government continued and implemented the idea? No, it made me glad to see that. Why would you all then be so angry because TeK gets the new president and continues some of the good work of the last one?
Btw, I'm not actually properly active again, but like KAG, I do read some articles and forum posts.
@All the whiners because we are actually doing what's called politics
"Why would you all then be so angry because TeK gets the new president and continues some of the good work of the last one?"
Have you considered it's because TeK is doing half, wait, a quarter of what BP could have done? Yes, TeK had some good propaganda last election and BP didn't think TeK would be that much of a threat. By obvious reasons, we don't want it happen again and therefore we have to enlighten the people so they don't get blinded by empty words (again).
It's nothing personal, it's just politics. TeK had its chance and they pretty much blew it.
Did you read the second paragraph, or did you just skip to the bottom of my comment? As I said, it's harder to accomplish the same when a party is boycotting the government. Yes, you could've done more with TeK's help, as TeK could've done more with BP's help.
TeK didn't "pretty much blow it", if it wasn't for Cirno's extreme reaction to loosing the election (that stuff _happens_...), there wouldn't be a problem at all. And it's not like the current administration have been sitting on their arses, things are being done even though it's not BP-people who do it.
Working together to help the whole population of eNorway, that's politics. Not having this endless, pointless quarrel.
@heivoll
You know that no one is actually stopping TT from doing things in the government. The only thing they have done this whole period, i.e the MoFA expansion was supported by BP. If we were mad about the MoFA expansion would be vote it through (think)?.
I repeat; Please note that we have not blocked anything in congress that this government have tried to do. Only ones ruining this for TT, is your own inactivity.
@heivoll 2; Yes, we know you’re not active. But you did read some articles, some forum posts, making you a perfect candidate for having a clear understanding of the current situation?
This thing you keep calling a "boycott", it is ridiculous. Your own members show less involvement in this Congress than us. 95 members in your party, not even a full 8 to fill a government, great show of support.
It would be just as bad an accusation as if I pointed out; Your not a minister, you must clearly be boycotting your own TT government.
Me, a BP member taking a step back and joining the mobile forces of FSK is extreme reactions and the reason TT can't function?
You make it sound much worse then we ever did.
Scorpicus: Look at the government from november. Then, remembering all existing ministers were given priority, look at the government for december. Spot the difference? Oh yes, no BP members willing to participate in there.
And believe me, I'm glad you don't let that affect congress too much, that would've backfired so much more on yourselves too. Because now you can refuse to do anything new (because TeK has the president), vote on the proposals made and claim that the whole reason not too much is happening is because of TeK. Guess what? If BP wanted to do something new, it wouldn't be harder than taking a minister position offered and do it! I can assure you that you would be credited accordingly...
And of course I've been reading articles, comments and forum posts before deciding to comment here.
Cirno: I'm not only talking about you, that's sort of the point...
You sure seem to put all the blame on me with your previous comment, "TeK didn't "pretty much blow it", if it wasn't for Cirno's extreme reaction to loosing the election (that stuff _happens_...), there wouldn't be a problem at all."
Loud and clear, if it wasn't for my reaction, there wouldn't be any problems at all. Your words, not mine. 🙂
Hehe, ok, sorry wrote that a bit quickly. But my point is not _your_ withdrawal on its own, but the effect it created, in the whole party refusing to participate in a TeK government.
I dont have the energy to read all this, bacause its christmas!!!!!!
Wouldn't eNorge be much better off with two supporting parties who work together professionally to resolve disagreements?
coolman4393: "Wouldn't eNorge be much better off with two supporting parties who work together professionally to resolve disagreements?"
Even the masochistic guy sucking the blood gushing out of his own wrist knows where our loyalties should belong.