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how is endorsing a candidate backroom politics? there is nothing shady or undemocratic about it

also idk if ur mommy taught you this but dont believe everything AB tells you

Endorsing a candidate is not backroom Politics, but trading that endorsement for a few Cabinet seats is.

and Are you Denying that the Parti National du eQuebec are seperatists?

who said we traded the endorsement for cabinet posts. yes i heard she is including a DAL guy, but that had NOTHING to do with our decision.

for your information, bruck ALSO offered us a cabinet position, but we turned him down

no im not denying that they are seperatists. i dont know for sure and i dont care if they are. what I am saying is that the CSD, CPP and DAL ARE not

I offered positions to all parties now opposing me on a platform on cooperation and inclusion but I was turned down. I will release my Cabinet and platform on Saturday but my proposed Cabinet included 2 CEP members (excluding myself), 3 CSD, 2 CPP, and 2 DAL. I would think that's a very fair deal and I didn't even include conditions like demanding endorsement for these positions. I simply chose the best people to shape and lead eCanada, no strings attached.

and im glad you do that bruck. my point though is that cabinet posts had nothing to do with the DALs decision and i hope you can confirm that and stop your own party's nonsense

I see no reason why we all can't love each other

Well sir, what about the statement by your own Party's President:

cleo "What if we offered some key positions: Scorpius - Deputy PM? Tom Hagan - Minster of Foreign Affairs? Rowlock or Tantis - Minister of Education? Miloslav or Eric Boucher - New position specifically related to Francophone relations & culture?"

cleo "We got the CPP & DAL endorsement!"

cleo "Tom hagan turned down the MoFA position, but Jacobi will be offered MoCommunication and Scorpius will be offered Deputy PM. They would also like to talk more after the election about forming a future voting or full coalition. "

all are available at this link:
http://s1.zetaboards.com/CSDER/topic/1559187/2/#new" target="_blank">http://s1.zetaboards.com/CSDER/topic/155[..]/#new

also, all that info proves is that the CSD tried to buy our votes. it doesnt mean that was the reason we decided to support them

Second of All how where you able to view that topic, Cleo made it private didnt she?

That was obtained by a conserned member of the CSD, who wishes to remain anonymous. They had PMed me with that information. However, the obtaining of the information is not relevant, what is relevant is your lieing to the public with your earlier comments.

i would also like to point out that that information is stolen from the CSD forums which is a violation of their rights and im sure is something you can be sued for.

either way it is pretty lame to call others immoral while violating their privacy to steal info

In politics deals are often brokered between parties or candidates, that's politics its not dirty backroom politics nor is this is a coup. How people blow things way out of proportion and put on a show of disbelief, anger or pretend to be offended truly turns me off many of the media articles I see.

unthak- how does this prove i was lying?

also there is no way to confirm that quote without a working link so for all i care it isnt true.

2nd of all you are obligated to reveal who it was, as they are violating the CSDs privocy. if u wanted them to stay secret you shouldnt have announced it like this

I have stolen no such information. I am infact respecting that individuals right to privacy by not disclosing their name, just that they had access to the forums. which i am told by that same individual that you only need a basic approved membership to view

Cornflakes and bacon? You disgust me Unthak. Where's the toast? Huh? Tell me!

wellsir, what about this:

http://i701.photobucket.com/albums/ww16/griel399/bribes-2.jpg" target="_blank">http://i701.photobucket.com/albums/ww16/[..].jpg

that makes things pretty clear.

I remember that the toast refused to pop due to it's outrage

Thank you for your information Unthak, toast is prone to such outbursts.

Now for my serious comments:

In regards to the "theft" of the information. Unthak said a concerned member of the CSD sent him the information. Since that person had access to the information, it's technically not stolen.

Now Scorpius, you say that DAL's support of Cleo has nothing to do with the Cabinet post that she is supposedly going to give to DAL. I respect your opinion, but you have to admit that it looks like a deal was brokered.

For lack of a better word, it looks suspicious. You can see where I'm coming from, right?

Coup? I don't think so.

partisan...

Booo CPP, DAL, and CSD. Voted CPP in the congressional elections. They have now lost my vote as all the other parties listed. If you help the separtist your are a separtist yourself. Down with the separtists.

http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/semantic-demagogy-another-guide-to-political-arguments-790165/1/20" target="_blank">http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/sema[..]/1/20

gotta love this libel xD

Julian Hawke, how does it look suspicious when i openly turned down any cabinet posts offered to me?

If what is said is grounded in fact, then a coup it is!! Make no mistake, those who whish to seek power by such shady means will not use their power well or for the benefit of the whole country. They are in it for themselves and that will be it. I have not been paying much attention to this game until recently, and I've gone back through postes and information, and what I've seen from Bruck since he has taken office is a leader who promotes eCanada as it should be: A world leader, a great nation for all to thrive and a peace maker who refuses to back oppresive countries and their hostile take over of weaker nations. If we all as eCanadians allow anyone else to take this office in the next election then we are basicaly saying that we do not wish to support what is right and just in society. Bruck for prime minister is the only way to go!!!!

May I ask why you are attacking the CSD? Is it because you seriously hate them (what have they ever done to you?!?). No, it seems more likely that you are just trying to win more votes for your beloved CEP by bashing the CSD. As a great politician once said, parties that attack the opposing parties have little faith that their own platform will be incapable of winning the election for them. The political alliance is one of left-winged political parties who are tired of right-winged leadership. Do you seriously believe that Cleo would allow Quebec to separate(even if that were possible).

btw, harsh comments aside, could you confirm that I am not your secret source, as I think I'm a suspect 😛

Vincent, you nailed it square on the head. Why does everyone call it a conspiracy or coup when backroom deals have become an established part of the political module? Maybe it's an excuse to sling some mud and get some attention, which are also two very well established parts of the political module, too.

Yes, study history...and so, with all respect to Mr. Chaotic, it's good to get the facts exactly right. Canada's Canadians for Canada (CC4CP) only came into being for the last election in April. Vincent, you must be thinking of the CCP (Canadian Communist Party) that endorsed Bruck in March.

@Noyst Your right, they have not done anything to me, I had hoped that the CEP and the CSD could work together to bring eCanada prosperity. But, when cleo wrote "I don't think we can trust him [Bruck] as far as we can throw him". It was as if they had Chopped off the olive branch.

@Trenton That is why we can't all love each other. (However, I think things would have been different under your leadership)

@Vincent Churchill also said "It has been said that democracy is the worst form of government except all the others that have been tried.", he also said "The best argument against democracy is a five miute conversation with the average voter", he also said this "I may be drunk, miss, but tomorrow I will sober up and you will still be ugly". Great, great man.

"But, when cleo wrote "I don't think we can trust him [Bruck] as far as we can throw him". It was as if they had Chopped off the olive branch."

im pretty sure they were referring to tom and myself...

also great responce vincent. plugson is right. u nailed the issue


this is nothing more then a partisan attack made by uneducated noobs. these kind of deals are as old AS CANDADA iteself, and there is nothing coup like about them

No Scorp, I made a very reasonable and generous offer to Cleo where I informed her I was looking for unity from all parties this term and that I had members from all parties on my proposed cabinet list. It was all to be very fair and cooperative, I have the convo still.

The comment seems to be in response to that as it was not long after.

ok my mistake then. i intreperted it wrong. however the rest of my post still is valid 😛

your party is mudslinging. plain and simple. it is no better then what the CSD is doing. both want to win the election

What it comes down to is Cleo's own words, it's hardly mudslinging but keeping everyone informed.

keeping people informed by leaking private info. wow bruck that is pretty hard to justify. dont tell me ur presidential power permits this?

By all means, let's pretend that the way in which the information was leaked is more important than the information itself...

Apolloin: There is NO information! You just have Cleo proposing an offer, which actually might of had nothing with signing a deal with the DAL. Let's give us two quotes:
"What if we offered some key positions?" -Cleo

"I offered positions to all parties now opposing me on a platform on cooperation and inclusion but I was turned down. " -Bruck

Erm... Yeah. Now how come is Bruck treated as a hero, and Cleo as a villain? This is all read in context, when someone takes it out of context... Uh, oh! Guess what! It has a very similar meaning. Duh.

"Bruck has done more good for eCanada then any other President in our history"

Adam Sutler anyone? Cottus Arci? Derick Braham?

Unthak (#1 AB fan) - why is it wrong for the CPP, DAL and the PNQ to attempt to get their parties in the Executive Branch of government? These parties do represent voters. Is it not democratic to alow them to represent their voters in that branch by endorsing another party leader? Because if they endorsed their own candidate their voters would have NO representation in the executive branch.

To me these backroom politics sound more like a smart way to represent their voters.

Selling GOLD.
PM me!

Ha ha ha. Great. Unthak talking about how bad "backroom deals" are but his party president Bruck in the same thread saying that he practicing it himself. You should really coordinate these party articles guys.

And these types of politics are what make this game awesome. Though I know CEP would rather this game was reduced to two clicks plus an occasionally extra one for fighting.

Allow me to impart upon you all this personal belief.

Listen to a politician when he speaks about himself. He will be telling the truth half the time.

Close your ears when he speaks about his opponent, he will be telling the truth none of the time.

in short. none of us are any better then the other. so drop the insults lol 😛

I want my five minutes back 🙁

Unthak, You just wrote an oxymoron. I am sorry but can I, like Grimsey rabbit, please have my 5 minutes back?