Aum. Where did the money go?
Ward De Bever
#eBrussels, Sept 10, 2011:
[02:10:55] no, goopypants, what i suggested is that you made the payment of 4000 BEF from a wrong account
[02:11:24] yes, ward, and understand why you feel that way
[02:11:27] if you had paid it back from the personal account, no complicating explanatory note would have been needed
[02:11:34] Yes, i get that
[02:11:39] honestly
[02:11:41] who cares about this
[02:11:43] i want to help, that's all
[02:11:44] didn't we settle this already
[02:12:01] Yes, ward, I get that too
[02:12:01] the sheet is wrong, and i want to help
[02:12:16] unless goopy did wrong calculations
[02:12:19] it can't be "wrong"
[02:12:30] stabBEF calculation is 10000 BEF off
[02:12:52] the total money market transactions have to stay at 10009 instead of 9 BEF
[02:13:18] right, ward, and no one cares about all that esoteric formula stuff on the sheet
[02:13:22]
[02:13:27] what is important is how much each account has
Really? Cells L230-L233 show the outstanding offers on the MM and the cells N230-N230, the total proceedings from the MM. The 10000 BEF simply has vanished from the outstanding MM orders, and thus from the national treasury.
I can quite simply explain it in words: the total BEF assets of the Belgian state are the sum of:
- the NBB-BNB BEF account
- the country BEF account
- the BEF assets in transfer
- the CP personal BEF account used for the state
- the MoF personal BEF account used for the state
- the BEF offered on the monetary market (10009 and not 9 BEF now)
My numbers are that our assets (Cell B241 on !Account) are 187895 BEF. Their numbers are 177895 BEF. A 10000 BEF difference.
Aum.
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Baby I can do whatever, I'm white.
Xgentis: the 4000 BEF is her money, not the state's.
The 10000 BEF here are the state's, not the money market's.
Ward, are you saying that the 10,000 BEF is not correctly entered on the spreadsheet or that 10,000 BEF has been removed from the treasury?
If it's the first, the MM order expired 5 days ago, and that portion of the spreadsheet was not updated correctly by the previous Minister of Finance.
If it's the second, let me know where you think the 10,000 BEF went.
Lol as expected, we r getting robbed 🙂
Goopy: At this moment, the 10000 BEF is on offer on the MM, so it's part of the treasury and should be added on the sheet.
http://www.erepublik.com/en/exchange?account_type=citizen-#buy_currencies=32;sell_currencies=62;page=4
Otherwise the first to grab it (and get the 60 gold refunded) will make that money vanish for real.
Ah, I saw the message in the NBB account from 5 days ago that the offer had expired.
"Your monetary exchange offer consisting in 10000 of BEF at an exchange rate of 1 BEF = 0.006 GOLD has expired and the money have been returned into your account."
You had re-posted the offer, which I didn't realise until now, since I thought the offer expired after the change of government. It had happened a day or so before the handoff.
Or should you 'forget' to book the 10000 BEF on the NBB-BNB account when the offer expires...
So for four days, you filled in values in the sheet without even checking them?
You didn't even click once on the 'Show my offers' button?
You didn't read messages properly, with datestamp and all?
Simply unbelievable. I see it's changed now. Thanks for making me spend three hours recovering 10000 BEF for the state.
No Ward, you know I can't read. So it would have been impossible for me to read or click on anything.
Thank you for revealing to everyone I'm illiterate, and then passive-aggressively insinuating I'm either incompetent, lazy, a thief, or some admixture of all of them.
Oh, and rude. Yes, please hint how I'm just so dastardly rude in PM's that you dare not reveal.
I'm going to go cry now.
GoopyPants: 'No Ward, you know I can't read. So it would have been impossible for me to read or click on anything.
Thank you for revealing to everyone I'm illiterate, and then passive-aggressively insinuating I'm either incompetent, lazy, a thief, or some admixture of all of them.
Oh, and rude. Yes, please hint how I'm just so dastardly rude in PM's that you dare not reveal.
I'm going to go cry now. '
Calls itself a government member. Hah.
Great. Now you've revealed that I don't have a gender.
I hope you enjoy making me feel bad.
Why does it have to take hours and hours and hours everytime to explain you things?
Why don't we simply respect each other and listen to each other before using strong words?
It took GoopyPants 26 seconds to dismiss what I had to say, it took me three hours to make a stand for a 'meagre' 10000 BEF.
Wait, you're timing me? Exactly 26 seconds?
I find that creepy. And it makes me sad.
Classic Karl Rove trademark: feigning opposition & victimhood to propagate a MYTH of 'underdog.'
Aum.
another accusation? wait, it's the purpose of the new government.
What does the president in this time ? He wants add a new country. Nice project of course, is it to keep a good picture ?
He is not ABLE to control his members of government, how could him manage a country !
Soon i think we will see a new empeachment !
Elynea per sure!
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At least Goopy knows he's Minister of Economy and not Minister of Accountancy
Not sure what the hell this is all about and I cba reading back through the whole thing to find out. If it shut's everyone the hell up, I'll send whatever BEF is needed/missing/stolen/blown on Q5 hookers and booze.
I dont see why this matter cant be dealt with in private, rather than making a newspaper about it.
Can I get any money? I'm completely dry now 🙁
@shadow : how much warnings for you? Be honest.
i think that's important for all ebelgian's to know the situation.
Nice article Ward!
Hey Ward, no one cares about this stuff.
Elynea: Got my first warning today
I like how shadows comments keep disappearing 🙂 *makes me smile*
Citizens are in the country, they make our economy, normal for them to know the situation of our treasury.
We can't see the real work of several players only on a forum.
The game is here : EREPUBLIK
ward again some people make normal propaganda but this is something else *claps*
All I know is that I see Ward, Elynea, NLSP, and Splashdog are being partisan and pointing fingers. They lost the CP election and are being sore losers. Their behavior or late is erratic and eccentric. Stuff like this can be fix internally but to draw it to the public is just to bash Goopy and nothing more.
Elynea and their group talks about unity, but yet take a look at them. Their only interest is unity under their rule and command. Disunity if they are the opposition. This is two-faced behavior and really opened my eyes to what kind of politicians they are.
In the end, it is about their power and nothing more.
All I know is that I see Ward, Elynea, NLSP, and Splashdog are being partisan and pointing fingers. They lost the CP election and are being sore losers. Their behavior or late is erratic and eccentric. Stuff like this can be fix internally but to draw it to the public is just to bash Goopy and nothing more.
Elynea and their group talks about unity, but yet take a look at them. Their only interest is unity under their rule and command. Disunity if they are the opposition. This is two-faced behavior and really opened my eyes to what kind of politicians they are.
In the end, it is about their power and nothing more.
Elynea you talk about freedom and liberty but you just want the power you sound more like a failed dictator each day
konrad :You are the most intelligent politicians.
You said ebelgium was nothing on our irc ? right of not. You are here just for a friend ? right or not?
Now, don't judge when you are writing a post. You don't know all things. You are not the god of the intelligence. You like the manipulation with words. Don't play this game with me.
We are going to be frank there. If I have resign my job of the education, it is not because the cp was MG but because you, Shadow, and others are in this team. It's my choice, i can't work with persons who are in an other side.
you said i was a guru, i say you are a big manipulator.
Be careful with eBelgians, don't play with them. Now i stop to answer you anywhere : i want the unity for my country, Not you.
Have a nice day Mister Konrad Neumann
@jamster who are the dictator --) the liberator? *_^
The day when you could say i'm a dictator i can stop the game at once.
@jamster who are the dictator --) the liberator? *_^
The day when you could say i'm a dictator i can stop the game at once.
you starting to sound like one by creating a greater divide in belgium
'you starting to sound like one by creating a greater divide in belgium'
Jamster: what you are saying/doing is chantage.
Konrad, Xironn: I sent pm about the expired/put back MM offer to goopy. 8 hours later on irc, he pretended not to know what i was talking about. If I try pm, irc and it doesn't work, what else that an in-game article is left to obtain clear accounts? In this case, i'm sorry to have had to spend so much time again to clarify a situation that could potentially have been easily exploited.
MM theft, someone?
*sigh*
Well, it was only a matter of time, wasn't it?
As you can see, both Ward and Elynea cannot stand people on the "other side" of the political spectrum. This is why they are creating drama and slandering people who they do not like. The pure heart that we once know is not so golden and pure after all.
They manipulate the system for a long time and when the people voted for change, they cannot handle it and spread disunity and divide since the people in power and the voice of the people are on the "other side."
It's not that I cannot stand people, it's that i cannot stand unclear accounts since they make bad friends. I want to unite around a strong, transparent Treasury and see the Belgian flag stably on the map. At least save what is left.
other side : other view
you are lucky i don't speak english fluently.
Je vais le dire en français : Quand quelqu'un voit qu'un groupe de personnes ne travaillant pas dans l'intérêt du citoyen mais dans leur propre intérêt et qu'un conflit est bien réel, je ne vais pas faire l'hypocrite. On m'a accusée de me servir des nouveaux pour avoir un pouvoir de décision : faux
Et à force d'accusations comme encore aujourd'hui, il est triste que le citoyen soit témoin de cela. Je ne suis pas un mouton et je suis une citoyenne comme tout le monde ayant des droits.
Je veux bien beaucoup de choses, mais "il ne faut pas pousser mémé dans les orties". Ne me parlez pas de division, alors que celle-çi est créée par un groupe bien défini sur le forum d'ailleurs.
Alors pour ces messieurs les politiciens qui ont amené sur le forum et puis maintenant sur le jeu, leur mauvaise ambiance :
Il faut laisser pisser le mouton. (- this is an expression, not one insult 😁
"We must let the sheep piss"? That's what google translate came up with.
goopy: that's a correct, if literal translation.
http://answers.google.com/answers/threadview/id/764676.html
if anyone was as confused as I was
Goopy, how about: "I see that my numbers were wrong"? That would relieve some of my confusion.
Ward, stop being so mean and push people around. Just settle this privately and make this public and partisan etc. If you do not stop, there will be no eBE.
i agree with konrad
Konrad, I explained above that pm and irc did't work so i had to write this article. Just make your numbers agree (maybe agree your government made a mistake twice) and that's good enough for me.
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xhr6kn_where-s-the-money-lebowski_shortfilms
has bad words in it, so don't click on it if you don't want to hear some bad words.