An open letter to the ISRP (an offer from IF with conditions)
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by Ireland First-Eireann Chead
I first of all want to make an apology for my first article (let’s say it was a bit forceful)
Not all the facts were given to me at the time and in the end it was a half-truth, now that I have calmed down I can see that it was wrong to add that to my manifesto but hindsight is the most useless thing in the world. I still think ye made a mistake to allow yourself to be associated with the ICF (I’ll state for the record I really really dislike them) but I do understand it.
After looking at your manifesto it occurred to me that we might want the same thing and I might have had a preconceived notion about the ISRP having seen a previous lead government not do what it said it would, so you might be wondering what I’m getting at well I was referred to as the Ralph Nader (American Independent candidate 2000 and 2004 that lost the Democrats both elections) candidate in this election that will spilt the left vote so support from me and my party will be a plus for your campaign so I’m willing to climb down from my high horse and support you (under conditions that I have posted below).I feel that my chances are slim and if you can act on what you say I’ll support you.
The idea came to me after I got a request from Top Gun to stand down and support you on the Ireland First forums
http://irelandfirst.comyr.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=19
I rejected this request at the time because I didn’t want to look spineless and that I have 3 valid reasons for running they are:
1. I believe I can do the job and I have 100% support from my own party
2. Game mechanics allows me too run
3. I have a free will and can do what I want
But I will step down and support your party under the condition of:
If you have not enacted 70% of your manifesto by day 20 of you term you will resign from office of Taoiseach (i.e Impeach yourself to see how Aran does) the reason I ask this is I am sick and tired of inaction of Government to implement policy that there own manifesto never mind issue’s that arise after. That is why I was running in the first place.
2 things I ask of the ICF is
1.For an immediate stop the anti-IUP propaganda campaign. Starks should be able to win on his own merits
2.For a public apology from Mannimarco for referring to me as an idiot, among other things.(Manni, me and you have had our differences since the IVF debacle this is a peace treaty proposal so hopefully we can start on a clean slate. I’ll never agree with you politics though)
If you agree to these terms I will back your Presidential run Starks so Ireland will have a united left so we both can get the change eIreland needs. I don’t think I’m looking for too
much just an accountable Government.
If you reject this proposal I will run as usual.
The elections are in a few days, I await your response
Regards
Pip Kelly
Ireland First candidate
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I forgot to add that the reason I have posted this in a public setting it is more transparent so people don't think the deal is behind closed doors for a reason.
1. We won't stop, we're driving the anti-IUP proaganda campaign on our own behalf. We started the campaign against the IUP before we even considered endorsing Starks. I think stopping the campaign would be a grevious media censorship.
2. I apoligise for calling you an idiot, amoung other things. opefully we can be friends again after this.
The propaganda campaign can wait till after the election, can it not?
Th election is on friday. I don't see much of a point on putting it on hold.
Pip your not a bad guy after all 🙂
I agree, Ian.
Pip might have his flaws like the rest of us, but he only has Ireland's best interests at heart like most of us.
@Manni - it doesn't matter which way you look at it - the only reason you are running an anti-IUP campaign, and supporting starks, is that your party has no hope, now, or in the near future, of winning a majority of the population over to your ideas. This is because, as the population at large know, they are unworkable.
And I say this objectively, as I would believe it whether I was apolitical, in the ISRP or in IF.
It strikes me as odd that a party with serious aspirations and goals would choose to run such a negative campaign. A few statements of facts about your intentions would be more appropriate. And you cannot call what I have said anti-ICF, because I am merely stating facts.
I'm asking for 3 days of no mudsligging that's I ask Manni. Not even 3 days 2 and a half so we can have a fair election.
OK, Pip, I'll oblige your request.
056, you're not stating facts.
You're stating assumptions and lies and other IUP propaganda, and you are very anti-ICF.
2 down 1 to go the balls in your court Starks.
I think that was fairly classy of you Pip and Manni
I have alot of respect for what you have just done
-binksy
Pip, I think this is a wise and respectable move on your behalf. I will be speaking to Starks about this as soon as he's online.
AT*
You break too soon under a little pressure Pip 🙂 Don't let their constant attacks get to you, stand up for your own beliefs instead of half - supporting them because they attack you. I tought you had more self - respect. You state so many facts as why you are allowed to run and should run, whilst in the exact same article you suddenly change your whole mentality and wish to support someone else, abandoning everything you just said?
Sad, very sad... There goes some more future down the drain.
nith people have the right to change there minds
theres mi 2 cents
Nithraldur, I see you still cannot grasp the very concept of change. Keep hating, Nith, it's doing you alot of good in the elections.
I hope you actually agree with Starks aims and this is not just giving into pressure. I hope more so that IF makes this decision based on a poll between it's members.
Hating? Poor manni manni manni....you haven't seen real hate yet 🙂
They have the right to change minds, but in the way Vyse said. Believing in aims, not crumbling under pressure, as this is exactly what it is, as outlined by Pip's statement in the beginning of the article. Could you also refrain from copying me, manni?? Get your own life will you, thanks.
You see manni, your youth blinds you. You cannot distinguish between propoganda and fact. Propoganda is not fact. Facts are fact.
Fact: The ICF has 1 congressman after making one of the most high profile election attempts in recent times.
Fact: The ICF cannot muster a presidential candidate.
Fact: You are running an anti-IUP campaign.
Fact: The IUP has not released any articles attacking the ICF, thus cannot be said to be issuing propoganda.
My assumption that the ICF will not succeed is based on facts, highlighted above. Your assumption that the ICF will succeed is based on propoganda, as you have no facts to back up your claims.
fair point nith
but i beleve this was an educated and informed decision as pip seemed to appose the ISRP at every step
and i would also like to say that i do welcome this sudden change pip
lads can we not have ONE election whitout mudslinging?
JUST ONE
thats all i ask
this is mt 3rd election and im sick of it already
Nith I'm not out of the race if the offers accept I am and really I'm doing this for the country we need some new ideas to make the game better for everyone I feel that they have some good ideas on how to acheive this I gave them an offer of support for action coz I want to see action and considering. IF is only now being rebuilt as a party I feel that isolationism is not the best road to take.
But thanks for the concern.
I am not impressed.
Sorry Bryan but read my last point.
Yes ok, but you are not an independant candidate running for election. You are representing your party and should have consulted every party member before announcing this...
well, maybe not EVERY party member, but we should have discussed this on the party forums.
Fair enough
The fact is that the ICF is very unpopular, and anyone getting involved with them will be tarred with the same brush. Any politician with sense will avoid them and their policies like the plague !
Englebirt, I presume when you were at school you were a bully who beat up unpopular people?
Manni stop using that F&€KING org to dispence insults that is the single reason people don't like you.
Sorry Pip but I think there are more than that single reason.
And does this count as going back on his word about the anti-IUP campaign? He is attacking every IUP member who comments.
Bryan is correct to be aggrieved. If IF is not making decisions all it's members supports then it's internal stricture as a party needs to be looked at.
I don't care who IF supports to be honest. As long as it's what the majority it's active members want. Hold a poll to decide who you wish to support. Be it Starks, Nith, Alex or another IF member. You should really consider your members views before doing this.
Sorry, Pip. I was checking the ICF companies when I posted that. I have no need whatsoever to hide behind an org.
I see the IUP is upset they may not get the vote split for them again 🙂
"I see the IUP is upset they may not get the vote split for them again 🙂"
Cause everyone that votes IF is a Stark supporter AM I RITE?
Not everyone is but I did this for good intentions.
Der der dumb dumb dumb...another one bites the dust :0(
Why not run Pip Kelly ? People want to have a vote that isn't IUP or ISRP. Plus ICF will not follow any suggestion before nap time.
From the voice of the hidden masses.
I would love to run but at this moment and time I don't think I will win and this is the next best opinion I would love if there's a 3rd party that was big enough to challange the IUP and ISRP that's why I would like to see PFF merge with IF.
"Why not run Pip Kelly ? People want to have a vote that isn't IUP or ISRP."
Translation: the IUP would like it if their opposition is split
The most incredible manifesto released in this Presidential election wins over another person through rational explaination of objectives backed up with fire in the belly to implement them. Go Starks and AT.
VYSE,
Everyone in IF is not a starks supporter. AS it stands its only Pip.
I also want to say that IReland First has NOT endorsed ISRP/ICF for the record as we have not discussed anything.
So, Its best everyone completely disregards this article.
You are the only member of IF that does not support this decision O Bass who like it our not is our PP gave it the all clear.
And finally its not a done deal yet do you see that under CP candiate I'm still the candidate.
Hey manni define mudslinging for me