Ace of Spades
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by Quicksilver
Ace of Spades
Well, as a fairly small and not very strong country, I have never thought that we can become an ace in Romanian politics. But it seems that way. I wonder why? Is it so very important to Romania that we should pay X hundred or Y hundred golds to recover 4 completely empty and useless regions and one with a puny high grain resource? If I understand correctly – and I believe I do – Romania has all the resources and empty regions that it needs to sustain the population and economy for decades. So it is quite obvious that Romania has absolutely no need of these regions - other than for maybe pride.
Unless… unless they are used in voting, for the relatively low population allows for some political manoeuvering. And I believe that is what I see here, now. Not the question of which peace-treaty was better for Romania, because the two situation was completely diferent, and so the available options for peace were different too. Not the question of us, Hungarians, but we are being used in this internal debate – used az aces of no less! Well, for any sensible-thinking Romanians could see that our small matter cannot be an ace – it is just shown as one.
We will have our war finished one day (if admins will ever let us…), and we will probably have another round of negotiations then. Of course that will be a different situation with different people and quite likely different results. Meaning: some kind of treaty, that will have nothing to do with the first one, the second one, or with any other. We will negotiate to the best of our abilities, and that is that. Until that time I do believe it is quite useless to show one treaty as favourable and the other as not – they are both the results of circumstances and not incompetences.
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Quicksilver
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No, it is just a matter of pride. We have won the war in beta, and the admins closed it and gave you time to recover, and now we can not simply let go of all unnecessary regions without you paying something for them, as if you won!
Ignore the internal debates, as they are dirty and using all kind of stupid arguments, and none of the combatants really believes what he is saying... It's just crappy politics.
A lot of new people around who can not remember how this war went in beta, the sheer number of the Romanian army was simply destroying all efforts to resist, put up by Peace and even Spain!!! The same number of soldiers put to rest the servers as well, and that is the reason Hungary still exists today in erepublik. Now things have changed and despite our on going negotiations to release some of your old regions, including SGP, you attacked us twice. You will have to make a great effort to restart negotiations, and you will definitely have to pay for the regions, otherwise Romanians will see it as a defeat.
So, it is just about pride, the rest is bollocks, and should be ignored accordingly...
Yes, I fully understand that - unlike many people I can easily write it down that yes, we lost that war and a thing like this always have some repercussions - like paying for it. 🙂
It was the manner with which the whole thing was shown by various factions that bothered me. I do not want to meddle into onternal politics, but I always try to represent my side, and here I felt the need.
Qucksilver you speak so well. My point of view, what Hungary did after taking over of Russia is the reason that most of us don't let go the war against Hungary. I understand that it was just politics of PEACE, but you should take a second thought before you did that.
And yes, it is a matter of pride.
Don't tell that what was happened in Russia it was low, because it was a war maneuver that PEACE will never forget. It was not a victory against Russia or Hungary it was humiliation of PEACE, a humiliation that words can't express. It is that filling when you want to become smaller and smaller that people can't see you anymore.
And it is the reason PEACE helps us to regain SGP.
For one thing can be knocked out by another thing. Pride can be a dangerous thing, while humiliation makes one better for all that trouble. You should have known better. Never humiliate someone unless you are prepared to destroy the thing completely. You did not. You could not. So, it still goes on, and will do so for a long time, I expect. Peaces and PEACEs come and go, but we are here.
geezus, what a comment wall i did 🙂
anyway for my fellow countrymen:
As aprecia daca am renunta in acest articol la "matze" si "va facem praf".
Nicolae, hai sa avem disponibilitatea de a purta discutii civilizate si argumentate, ar fi foarte dragut daca ai sterge commentul spre exemplu.
"Never humiliate someone unless you are prepared to destroy the thing completely. You did not. You could not. "
We were very prepared, and we could have done it. The admins that people blame so much of helping us didn't let us conquer Hungary completely. Perhaps they thought it's bad business to have countries disappear like that, as new people from those RL countries would not join the game anymore...
And yes, pride is a dangerous thing, it can lead you to great things or destroy you completely. We'll just have to wait and see which will be...
pristanda, dont underestimate the fact that erepublik is still a business: the owners can always add new ways,more subtle ones (like not killing the servers), to make it harder for a country to keep under ocupation another country entirely. we have the upper hand right now but we need to focus on the near and distant future.
Of course, that's what they did, and are still trying to do in the future. That's why we have to end this war asap, but not in any way...
ghishae: I do understand that psychological factor, and I think that a little humiliation does good for our national pride; while it does good for your people IRL. Funny thing, isn't it? 🙂
But it also has a downside. The very factor you said that draws Romanians to the game, also draws Hungarians. On both side the worst kind - the ultranationalists, the extremists. And I have seen statistics that say that eHungary produced some of the largest growth. I cannot remember where or the exact number, but you probably understand the reasoning. The 'letusgetbackourcountry' is a great marketing tool too. And at the same time hundreds are leaving the game because of bugs - and they are not the extremists. So the population on both sides are making it difficult to have any kind of normal solution. Why do you think such a president was elected in Hungary? We have internal politics too. Btw I am in complete agreement with you about the 'red cherry' issue. The first move was actually a good idea, only botched (which is a sin in itself), but the second was... I shouldn't label it in any way out of solidarity, but well, it was stupid.
Your political parties were the main reason I wrote this little one. For those reasons that you said and I heard them many times, are valid arguments, and I accept them; but that talk of the old treaty and the new one was not.
Pristanda, our president also made that mistake that you do now; outside factors, like admins are part of the game, and if something goes badly, you cannot say that it was the admins' fault. No. They are part of this game. They have stopped us from regaining SGP in that bloody morning, and even I did some not too nice shouting then. 🙂
So we should all consider that admins are the natural disasters of the game, that you (and me, and all of us) have to live with. 🙂
"Never humiliate someone unless you are prepared to destroy the thing completely. You did not. You could not. "
Because of this kind of comments eRomanians will never accept you.
eRomania is stronger then Hungary backed up by PEACE but still you keep insulting us and talk like you are ready to do something.
you know what?If you can do something do it, and then talk!
Until then.......maybe it is in your best interest to just shut up!
Christi STR, it is not an insult, it is a fact. A Chinese general called Sun Tze (or Szun-Ce) said it up thousands of years ago. Once you start a thing you must finish it. Where is it insulting?
Quicksilver, let me put it very straight. We will not give any regions back to Hungary and/or Russia for free. Not because we want to humiliate you. Just because is a game. Can you point out a single hungarian citizen who was killed during these wars? I don't think so. This game is driven by the war module. We won, we are stronger and with each battle we will have we will be even stronger than now. The same will be the hungarians. So from my poit of view, just for the fun of the game you have 2 options: you will pay us in gold for each region or you will fight against us for that. Doesn't matter who will win next time the battle. More important for all of us is that we all will get fun and will have a stronger economy and a stronger army.
So, do you want to give you the price list for the hungarian regions held by Romania? 🙂
"So we should all consider that admins are the natural disasters of the game, that you (and me, and all of us) have to live with. 🙂"
Can I quote you with that? It's brilliant!
Han Solo: I think I already did. Might I suggest it to you to read carefully? I never, ever mentioned 'for free'. That would be, by the game's rules, foolish from you, and I do not think you fools. My position has always been that of negotiating for an accptable peace or have a successful war. The first you could read in the other article, the second at the moment is possible with PEACE's help - when admins will let us of course. Until that time we might just have fun with the diplomacy module; that is if you finish with the politics module. 🙂
Pristanda, sure you can. I am glad you like it 🙂
What is this article about?
Do you want to know what we think?
As i understood from hekkat... hungarians don't want their regions back.
Well, we don't want to give regions back.
This is the best agreement ever. Both romanians and hungarians have nothing to argue abaout. We are all a happy comunity.
Quicksilver, glad to see that we share the same opinion. 🙂
Regarding politics and diplomacy, well, I do not care about politics and I'm a soldier so I could not care less about diplomacy. For me, there is only war and the weapons language. It is more fair than diplomacy.
Well, happy and bored. Never a good combination. We are denied a war. 🙂
Your internal politics spawned this article. Some peace treaties brought up and examined from an interesting and I think incorrect viewpoint; so I thought to express what I think of it.
Han Solo, the honour in mine. 🙂
I like war too, but I also enjoy diplomacy.
In itself diplomacy is fair too, just people spoil it sometimes.
just a little comment, in one of the articles Zoli expressed sadness seing that some of our rulers see the issue not as "what romania have to gain" but as "hungary have to lose".
this is the reason why i call the first move of hekkat (starting the battle during the russian war) a poor move. hekkat was not motivated by good towards hungary but by doing something bad to the romanians.
He, and his peace advisers (superiors?) did not plan this move, they did not take under consideration the implications and the benefits of such a strategy. The outcome, getting back a region with an easy win, was just an outcome he didnt predict.
I really do belive that hekkat should be rememberd not as the president who got back a region but as the president who failed to get back all the regions. Maybe some domestic political opponent should use that line in the next presidential campaign ( wink )
and here i stop my interference into the hungarian political stage
à bon entendeur, salut
@ghisae
You are not interfearing. And I agree with you that the move of the president ignored the national interest. I hope he will not even consider running again for another mandate.
ghishae, I actualy consider that move as a good one - bad badly executed. I would have attacked straight away to all our regions, and because you needed Russia with the high resources more, you would have retreated from all of them. The bad move was not attacking but stopping after the first one. I do know that it was hampered by server problems though, that Romanians did not believe then, but which nevertheless existed. It was exactly what I wrote earlier; once one starts a move, one must go through with it.