About trust, bridges and future…
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by Quicksilver
About trust, bridges and future…
When I first heard of PL’s pact with eRMDP, the first association that came to my mind was that of a knife put at eRMDP’s throat. The agreement quite forcefully said that PL considers Hungarians as a threat to Romanian congress elections; that PL do not trust in kola1979 to be moderate and only endorse candidates in former Hungarian regions; and that PL did not and still do not trust Hungary not to participate in Romanian congress elections – the so-called ’TO-threat’.
Now, I consider it as your right to be as paranoid, as you would ever want to be, be you smif, andyr, PL, or every single Romanian and I know that nothing I can say will be able to change that. It is of course your right to take as many precautions as you can think of to safeguard Romania, and keep eRMDP in bay. It is of course your duty to do so and use every method that you can think of; up to discriminating Hungarians in Romania, or threaten eRMDP at knifepoint.
But then, if you choose to do so, please do not speak of trust and being bridge between our people, nations or countries. Trust is not something you can acquire at knifepoint. Bridges cannot be built on foundations of veiled threats and open distrust. Future will not be a nice one, if you want to build it this way.
Paranoia has never and will never be able to make bonds between people.
Quicksilver
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how you'll see if i make a party in your country with more than 200 members? this can be a bridge betwen us no?
@Murarius Radu Ionut
go Ionut, go
ce te opreste?
Mura... (long name): if Hungary would take the 4/5 of Romania, surely there would be a romanian party too...
Murariu Radu: You are right.. But again: we have a party "with more than 200 members" on a land which originally belongs to Hungary... How about that? Did you forget this tiny detail, did you now?
@Quicksilver - you threatened us with a TO on the Romanian Chat ... Do you remember this?😛
@Quicksilver, wellcome. You will se it is quite fun to make politics and diplomacie with us.
Just take it easy.
Oops. I have forgotten. I'm not alowed to speak whith stangers.
Now I will be caled traitor 😃.
We do not have occupied Romanian regions with Romanians living there. We only have one Romanian in Hungary, who TO-d a Hungarian party there with Romanians travelling to Hungary to vote him; and lies in waiting for God knows what.
Whereas you have a Hungarian minority which lives there in Romania, because those regions are where they live RL.
murariu: you could try it. actually you already did try and failed miserably.
eRMDP is there because Hungarians are there.
It is not a TO attempt, they just want to live on their homeland peacefully.
Murariu: you could try it. actually you already did try and failed miserably.
eRMDP is there because Hungarians are there, it is not a TO attempt.
They just want to live on their homeland peacefully.
Groovey, yeah, we made jokes out of it, true, on a number of occassions. Evere since I am working on how to organize my 5000 butterflies into an army that can march into Romania and TO you... it takes time, maybe I will be ready in 2050 or so, so be ready then...
@Murariu: if Romania didn't occupy those originally Hungarian territories then that party wouldn't have exites anyway. 😉
Quicksilver, i tend to disagree with you, trust is something that has to be earned. And it goes both ways of course.
This is another stage of the "politics of small steps" the only one that may provide normalization for bilateral relations.
I do hope that eRMDP gets 2 or 3 mandates and their congressmen / women will have smart enough actions to shutup some of our nationalists crybabies, and also erase the memory of the really bad call of zoli during his very short congressman term.
I really believe the moderates should rejoice right now.
Dear Ionut!
I kindly suggest you to think before you say anything.
Do you already think that Budapest and the hungarian regions occupied by Romania were/are and will be allways the part of eRomania? You mean in this case eHungary is the one who is the agressor? Not eRomania, who occupied these regions? Do you think that no hungarian survived the romanian annexation? And also do you think that they have no right to fight for their freedom and to revolt?
Well, I kindly suggest that You should learn a little more history and empathy.
Regards,
mpatia
@Quicksilver.Trust is not built in one day.In my opinion,Romania should give back central hungary,southern great plain,northern great plain to the hungarians,but only under the controlled war rule.(you know what i mean).It's the best thing for both of us.Think of the money,think of the joy,think of the military skills.I think that only such an act whould prouve real trust between our people.
Quicksilver, no offense, but this is one of your weakest articles so far.
PL was the only party that saw hungarians in Romania as something else than adversaries. We had Zoli as our candidate and member of Congress, we had and we have Eckstein as candidate and member of the congress, we were the only party that negociated something with eRMDP. While others were looking for ways to keep eRMDP out of Congress, we agreed to their right to have congressmen in the 5 original hungarian regions.
Where exactly do you see us "threatening RMDP at knifepoint" ? How exactly are we NOT trusting kola1979, as long as he is the leader of the party and in full control of the selection process ?
Murariu Radu Ionut: The solution is simple: Give back the hungarian regions to Hungary and the "threat" will magically disappear.
@mpatia.You can have budapest.We don't need it.No offence.In real life,Budapest is an awsome city(i visited it) but here in erepublik is a wasteland.However it should only return to Hungary after a let's say 4 day controlled battle.It's great for everybody.
@oarecare
Thank You for your generosity.
Unfortunatelly, your opinion seems to be and to remain in minority.
Hungarian minority in Romania being able to promote own candidates in the five Hungarian regions I consider it to be a small step tword reconciliation.
not exactly.There are a lot of romanian who think like me.Unfortunatly there are a lot of romanians who want nothing more than to eradicate the hungarian plague.And the same aplies to hungary.I could give you 50 hungarians who would agree with my plan of a controlled war.And there are many others who would like to kill romanians.However,i still say,my ideea of a controlled war is the only thing that can build a bridge between our countries.
ghishae: there is a difference between earned trust and forced trust. The second one will never be honest.
Thanks for the clarification Quicksilver.
You really are a model for the index babies.
andyr, I do know all that. But this pact or agreement is a step backwards. The threat of your 'Romanian soldier' candidates in eRMDP candidating in other regions in eRMDP's name, and smif becoming party president was not exactly the sign of trust ot goodwill.
@Quicksilver, I'm not sure I'm following you:
- smif is not the party president and he never will be, kola1979 is; it was an idea at some point, but nothing was put into practice.
- the soldiers as candidates on other regions have a single and easy purpose. Remember that if there's only one candidate for a certain party in a certain region, that candidate is the official one.
If there was no candidate from RMDP in those regions, and today at 23.55 we would've had 32 iranians entering RMDP and applying for Congress in those regions, they would've became the official candidates and we would've faced a takeover done without any help from RMDP or you (there is no possibility to "reject" a candidate.). And every effort of peace would've been compromised.
Avoiding that type of situation was the only reason we had our soldiers enter and be selected as official candidates for RMDP in those regions. It's a simple mode to avoid a certain game behaviour which could be exploited without the help from RMDP or kola1979.
Reguarding trust,romanians rather trust gipsey's than politicians.
Google translate from your previous article:
"At this point, we can say that the threat of a takeover supported by the Hungarian party is practically void due to actions of PL in the last weeks."
We both know that purpose your 'candidates' served, and what purpose smif's party presidency would have served. Yes, they can eliminate an Iranian threat - if there is any such... like the Hungarian threat... just as I told you before, be paranoid, yes. It is your right.
oarecare: you distinctly turn to other targets, and so extended wars between us are more and more out of question, because they do not benefit you or satisfy the conquest-hunger or whatever.
Hai ne lasi!
Quick quick!!! 🙂
@Quicksilver,unfortunately,due to the stuberness of a lot of people(on both sides) nobody can make business nowhere.
Well, the ceasefire is slowly ticking down, and you may not finish this Iranian affair in time... I can see the situation as it is now, but frankly, even after (if) Petrescu TOs Pakistan congress, this war won't be any faster. Just more complex...
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A minority Party in the top 5 list is a pretty threatening thing to do. precautions had to be taken especially after what you said about TO`s in the ro chat.
TOs are not done with open cards. When I threaten you with a TO that is almost a sure sign that I will not do such thing. Openly said it is a bluff or a joke.
btw I don't remember saying it in ro chat... 🙂
I read the article and I checked the date: yesterday? It couldn't be!
@ Quicksilver.
It seems that you missed some late romanian articles. I see nothing like you said in our media. I hope you didn't take in account few comments here and there...
Knowing you as a person which carefully follows our media... I don't see other reason to throw such false accusation("threaten eRMDP at knifepoint"???!!?) than to stir up Ro - Hu relations.
Ok, you are in politics and I'm not. You do whatever you want with your words, being your main weapon. I only want to emphasize that you just broke down some bricks from the bridge you mention up there.
At least your right here:
"Paranoia has never and will never be able to make bonds between people."
Best regards,
Slider - romanian citizen
I'm new in this game,what I've seen so far is that eRomania is an imperialist agressor.Will attack anyone who weak.Cannot be trusted.Our time will come.But then it's only a game.
As you said, Zoltanas: you're new in this game.
And I'm not trying to patronize you. You're smart enough to see that it is only a game.
It's only that there are many aspects in any conflict. There's a wiki in this game and there's memories, too.
U r right in that Slider.Afterall everyone tring to achive something u wouldn't or couldn't in real life.
Slider, most things aren't in the media. It is a game, yes, but some play it rough. And exactly because I found PL's policies so far mostly agreeable, I found this affair sad.
Zoltanas, they can be trusted - if you consider that our interests differ.
http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/when-atlantis-attacks-possible-politlcal-takeovers-741419/1/2
hope your proud
Please remember that Romania was not the aggressor. You attacked the czechs, our allies, and we retaliated. You are the bad guys.