About PEACE, Ukraine and promises
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Danylo the president of Ukraine wrote an article saying that he would like their regions returned to them as it has been promised by the last 3 presidents of Hungary - of course, this article brought up a lot of debate, mainly, F/E members voted the article up and said that Hungary should keep it's promise, while, obviously PEACE said that it was propaganda and that Hungary has the RIGHT to keep the regions and that it NEEDS to.
What i want to discuss in this article are the 2 words that i bolded, so the first topic of discussion is :
1. Does Hungary have a right to their regions?
The answer to this question is quite obvious, of course they don't, no country has rights over another countries original regions, everybody knows this. Dnipro is the capital region of Ukraine, that is where most of their internet users are located and that is the region through which they can achieve a nice growth in population, or maybe even a baby boom. I don't know much about Siveria, but that's a region too, THEIR region, so obviously they have a holy right to it. Just because Hungary freed them a while back, it doesn't mean that they should keep the regions from themselves, that's just as bad as Romania keeping them.
Anyway, PEACE didn't argue this one as much, what they argued was the next word : NEED
2. So, does Hungary NEED to keep Dnipro? If it this was 5,6 months ago, back when we lost WSR/Podolia, citizenship wasn't yet implemented, and Ukraine was still very weak and Romania a big threat, the answer would've been YES. At that moment, Hungary keeping a border with Podolia was the safest way to keep it secure. So it's no surprise that PEACE brings this argument out in every comment, that they need it to keep Podolia secure, we all know that PEACE lives in the past right? so no surprise there.
You all know why PEACE started the 3'rd WW and why it wants to oppress Spain, Canada and the US - because of things done ages ago... so PEACE living in the past is no real surprise, and using past motives to justify their present actions is something they're very used to do.
But let's not start living in the past ourselves, let's analyze this situation in the current context. So does Hungary need to keep a border with Podolia these days? the answer is as obvious as the answer at point 1, although PEACE will never admit it, and that answer is of course NO. Why would they need a border with Podolia now? Romania can't even ATTACK Ukraine, let alone occupy 2 of their regions, assuming we can do that is a great exaggeration of Romania's power, although thinking that we're powerful enough to beat peace not once but TWICE all this while having an MPP with the country we're attacking and a 5000 gold contract PLUS with a world war going on in our allies territories is something i like to DREAM about myself, but we all know it's not true, SADLY. I'm not even going to talk about the fact that Romania doens't even have an INTENTION to attack them anyway, since now we've got all the iron we need, and there's no reason for us anymore to try and blow our gold on trying to beat all their MPP's with PEACE.
Another interesting fact is that although almost half a year has passed since then, Hungary still uses the "we've saved you" card to justify their imperialism and refusal to honor their pormises. A comment i've often seen is : bow down down to us because "we've spent MONEY to FREE and DEFEND your country". Now this line is one of the worse and dishonest propagandas ever. WHY? A noob may see it that way, but everyone who has been playing this game for at least half a year knows why this sentence is WRONG.
It's wrong because of one simple thing. Hungary didn't spend the money because they're so good they wanted to free them, we all know Hungary spent that money in order to BEAT Romania and leave us without a high iron region, and that ladies and gentlemen, is the ONE and ONLY reason, just because Ukraine was freed in the process of kicking our ass out of a high iron region doesn't mean that Hungary are these great liberators to whom Ukraine should forever be in dept. SO the correct sentence is actually : "Hungary spent a lot of money in order to defeat Romania and to keep it without a high iron region".
So peace, stop acting like you didn't know that Ukraine wants their land back, of course they want it. And even if some PEACE dude didn't know it, HUngary SURELY did, and they even PROMISED to give the regions back but keep stalling. It's obvious that Hungary has a hard time giving back regions, or they will do it if you give them 5000 gold maybe 🙂
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Don't you see that freeing Burgenland has started a huge war between Hungarians? That's how much they DON'T want to give regions back.
So shame on you for trying to justify your occupation of Ukraine's capital with propaganda that was only true half a year ago, and shame on the ex presidents that promised Ukraine's complete freedom and then used dreamed up reasons not to keep the promise !
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A little joke, every article needs a lolcat after all, right?!😛
inspired by counterica's comment.
We all know how PEACE contradicts logical arguments :
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Fix the article a little, you repeat yourself twice. But voted 🙂
Yeah fixed sorry, wanted to paste something and accidentally pasted what i wrote until a certain point twice, sorry 😛
hail eden
fail peace
peace are out
I don't agree with the logic. Owner has a right to it's property. At least he can claim that he has. If someone thinks it's unfair/untrue and can't get an agreement then he should live with it or force his way of thinking.
It would be unmoral in real life (and still it happens even there...) but seems to be a bit less unmoral in eWorld.
I'll give a vote as long article is against PEACE
PEACE sucks!
And since now you can TO Ukraine any time you want, Hungarian Dnipro is still needed.
Hungary is walking almost the exact path Romania walked, we should know better. Still, they did free Burgenland, even if only due to pressure from PEACE. I wonder if the same thing will happen with the Ukraine problem. If Hungarians are not completely blind, it should, because a rupure from PEACE would doom Hungary.
PS: the article has a decent point of view, i wonder what the PEACE counter-argument would be. prolly some variation of "romanian propaganda".
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Hungary is to materialistic of its territories. If they really are friends then why don't they actually help liberate their allies countries? Its because there using everyone as puppets.
In order to shut the PEACE up eRomanian left eUkranian congress. Now we need PEACE to shut the F/E up by giving us our region back. It's simple really.
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Nice article.
FYI eRomania can not PTO eUkraine now without having to pay a 5000 gold penalty.As eRomania doesn't get thousands of gold for free I highly doubt that will happen 🙂
Ukraine and Hungary are friends !!! 😃😃😃
And allies! 😃😃😃
nice article.
but WRONG!!!!!!
Hey men, you're afraid to attack Ukraine with the Hungarian guards on Dnipro?
the rest is pure propaganda. "war to opress Spain, Canada and the US ", hehehe. No, we started the war for having fun. So, let's have fun together!
well gyika, we can't attack Ukraine even if we wanted to, that's the whole problem.
Plus, why would we be afraid of a direct war 1on1 with Hungary, when they have MPP's with Hungary + a lot of other PEACE countries. Shouldn't we be more afraid of that than Hungary alone? 🙂
My point is that, Ukraine has a lot of MPP's including Hungary, and that's a lot more of a safety net than Hungary holding Dnipro ANYWAY
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STOP PEACE TYRANNY!
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Everybody knows this is the truth but hungarians will have to defend their interest i Ukraine by claiming they are protecting them. Unfortunatly to be protected is not a decission for Ukraine to make, as always Indo/Hun decides who they "protect".
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PEACE overlords are pro ga(y)mers. They are quick to say how nationality doesn't matter and regions and even countries are just pixels without any real meaning. To them it's illogical that someone plays the game by bringing real life issues and love for their home country into the game. Their vision of the game is incredibly one sided, and also incredibly hypocritical. They will play the nationalism card when it suits them, and at the same time renounce its meaning when it is about to hurt them.
@PEACE overlords and troll masters: real life nationalities do matter in this game, and the right to dictate how everyone else should play the game is not given to you.
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bai, ce ipocrizie de 2 bani! articolul asta si toate celelalte pe tema asta sunt putrede rau.
jocul asta se bazeaza pe razboi si pe cucerire. asta este scopul. cum il indeplinesti tine de fiecare tara in parte. faza asta cu a avea sau nu dreptul de a detine o regiune este penibil. de parca romania nu cucerise 1/4 din glob... si era foarte frumos. probabil noi cuceream pentru ca asa era mai bine pentru ei. stiu, noi suntem aia buni si dezinteresati.
oricum, cum vezi tu jocul asta? stam toti la noi in tara, eventual mai luam un moving ticket sa vizitam alte tari, muncim, ne antrenam si ne lasam de joc? eventual atacam regiunile noastre... ca doar sunt ale noastre...
PS: votati orice... niste oi...
n-ai inteles Jack-Black, dar hai ca-ti explic separat.
1. Romania n-a promis niciodata eliberarea regiunilor cucerite
2. Romania nu si-a ascuns niciodata intentiile, am spus sus si tare ca mergem sa-i cucerim pe indonezieni/rusi w/e, n-am stat sa-i convingem pe restu ca "mergem sa-i eliberam"
3. Romania nu si-a tratat niciodata aliatii cum ii trateaza Ungaria, n-am detinut niciodata capitalele IRL ale aliatilor etc.
in principiu, e vorba ca ei se tin sfinti si promit multe, dar sunt mai rai decat eram noi.
In plus, de ce sa nu-i lovim acolo unde-i doare atunci cand avem ocazia? 🙂 in jocu asta e si un razboi psihologic, nu doar un razboi al numerelor.
Oricum, daca nu-ti place articolu nu-l vota, dar nu-i insulta pe cei care o fac.
i remember romania supressing whole ukraina...
this article is so lol.
FSix, i remember Budapest, Romania. do you feel the same satisfaction i feel? 😁
my point of view:
FAIL EDEN
FAIL PEACE
FAIL ROMANIA
FAIL HUNGARY
in this game it's all about racism...
ATLANTIS PROPAGANDA
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hey look PEACEniks arguing exactly how he said they would. man, they are predictable.
Hungary wants an empire, everything else comes second to this.
The time has come ...
Will Ukrainians be PEACE TOOLS? Or will they be FORTIS/EDEN FRIENDS?
Let the Ukrainians decide.
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@johnpauljones: Yeah, we want an empire for sure 😉
Thats why we gave back Burgenland to Austria.
Thats why we gave back Urals to Russia.
Thats why we are moving out from North-Causasus.
Thats why gave back the german territories.
Think again 😉
btw: if everything goes well, then Dnipro will be ukrainian within 2days 😉
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The word for romanian is liar
@tomii2582, you didn't exactly give Burgenland back, if i remember rightly Hungarian congress voted against it, we had to take it back in a RW.
http://www.erepublik.com/en/company/podolia-iron-q2-182178" target="_blank">http://www.erepublik.com/en/company/podo[..]2178
companie iron q2 podolia,licenta romania,intre 30 si 35 gold.PM cei interesati
@faringitis: and guess what, who fought in that RW? 😃
Yes, bingo!!! The hungarians 😉
Tbh, i don't think that the hungarians fighting were told to by the govt. They just did it out of the goodness of their hearts, seeing as Hungary's congress didn't want to free the region.
Good for those Hungarians who are against tyranny and for freedom!