About CtG and new people around
kowalski_afc
Ladies and gentleman,
First of all, I would like to wish you all Merry Christmas and Happy New Year. Let the love be all around you.
Last days, we have once again the same old story, which is starting the same old troll war. So, let’s put one big full stop on it with this article.
Disclaimer: this is answer on some comments in this article and this whole article . The second article is maybe good one, asking for some answers, but the timing of it is terrible. Published on Christmas evening, when many of people which can answer won’t be online… I really wish that this is just coincidence. And I don’t believe in coincidence.
Will you like the answer or not, it’s not my or business of anyone else. Also, I will try to answer on your questions, but I can’t promise that I will answer on all questions. Please, note that this article has time limit: I’m in eJapan from 31st of December 2012, so I’m not sure that I know all answers to the matters which happened before that time, therefore I know many of them.
Some of you asked why ex eSerbians come to eJapan. This is quite simple question with quite simple answer on it. Here is very calm, believe me. No matter of periodical troll wars, I suppose that you don’t know what is real trolling. You do not have any idea of it.
When I came, ex eSerbians already had their MU and party. In the very same moment when I came in eJapan, I was lebeled as PTOer. And for me, in that moment, it was really natural to find an shelter where people will accept me like I am… The very same thing happened to almost every single ex eSerbian which comes to eJapan. Maybe not so directly, like that happened to me, but when you have witch hunt all around, it is completely normal to join to the rest of people which are trying to survive inquisition.
Someone called CtG with names like “ghetto”, “eSerbian cage” etc. But, did those people asked themselves what they did to attract those people from that “cage”? In bottom line, they forced many of those people to enter that “ghetto”.
But, I will need to disappoint you. CtG is not a ghetto at all. Yes, we are holding together, we are talking, but we are joking and in the very same time, we don’t have strictly command chain.
Someone will ask me: “why you don’t become eJapanese? You moved out from eSerbia, why you have eSerbia on your mind? It’s not the case in real life!”
Probably some of you already know my rl story. I’m not hiding it. I’m rl Montenegrin, born and lived first in rl Serbia for a long time. When I started to work, because of my job, I was living all around Europe and last almost 10 years I’m living in “the most beautiful and most European Russian city” – Saint Peterburg. So, let’s say the I have some kind of knowledge how it is when you work and live abroad.
And do you know the truth? Wherever you go, you are staying yourself. You can tell that you are Serbian with Russian, French or Hungarian citizenship. You can celebrate your own holidays, you can love the country where you were born or raised, you can tell that you love Serbia or Montenegro more than Russia/France/Hungary/Tunisia, and everyone will understand you. You can tell that you still have friends in SCg (let’s call it like that, as it is one of old names for Serbia and Montenegro), that you are in contact with them, you can walk on the street with coat of arms of Serbia, you can sing Serbian songs, you can talk on Serbian and believe it or not, you an even say loudly: I am Serbian (Montenegrian)!
(picture was made somewhere in Europe)
That doesn’t mean that you don’t need to respect laws of the country where you are. It doesn’t mean that you don’t have the passport (or some other document) of the country where are you living. That doesn’t mean that you are the traitor and that anyone will tell you anything bad because you are born and lived in some other country. Even more, everyone will be interested to hear your story and to talk with you about similarities or differences between you ex country and country where are you living. Many of my friends are asking me: when I can go to Belgrade (or when I can come to St. Petersburg) to show me the city. And no one will tell you: go away. I don’t know, maybe I didn’t find such person for my 36 years of life.
And let’s be honest to each other. Many people from CtG/TLS did more for eJapan than people which are “born” here. We are always ready to help to everyone. We are always ready to talk, to fight, to joke.
So, where is the problem? Is our chat channel closed to anyone? Do we come sometimes to official eJapan’s channel? Do we talk there? No, because #nippon is mostly dead dead dead… Do we talk on forum? No, as there is approximately 20 persons trolling each other all the time. Why to join to that? I was there as a congressman, but not more then that…
Is the problem with articles which are on Serbian language? Well, I don’t know about you, but I could find newspapers on Serbian language in Paris/Moscow/St Petersburg/Budapest etc. In any way, mostly articles are on English, except very few authors, which are publishing on Serbian.
And about avatars. I’m not quite sure about what are we talking. I gave this example to one of my friends, so I’ll ask you all together. Think before you answer.
You have two friends. One is ugly, always in not so fresh (or unusual) clothes, but smart. Second is not so smart, but always looking perfect. With the first person, you can talk about everything. With the second person, you simply doesn’t have any theme in common. So, which person you will choose to be more close friend? Will you choose “outside look” or “inside look”? Is the clothes all what you want to see? Will you be so honest to yourself and tell us free: Clothes (avatar) is not the most important thing in life?
I don’t need your answer. It can tell more about you then you wanted to tell.
You can be nervous about PTO “bull****”. Yes, I’m open about it. There isn’t any PTO from our side. That’s why it’s bull****. You can tell that ex eSerbians are trying to take political power. You are right. But, that doesn’t mean that it’s PTO. That doesn’t mean that something bad will happen. Do you know why?
Ceda.MJ
Jetishumadinac
Shadowmaniac
Steamroller91
kowalski_afc
Rik Daphne
Milutin Markovic
Nobunaga Sensei
Do you know what is in common for all those people? We all were in cabinet or even Ceda was CP. And is there anything bad happened to eJapan? Do I need to put how many of us were in Congress?
How many malicious laws were propose by ex eSerbians? I can bet that I can find much more malicious laws proposed by other parties.
So, where is the problem? I already wrote once where. Answers are here: It’s all about politics (part II)
http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/it-rsquo-s-all-about-politics-part-ii--2288344/1/20
Some parties doesn’t have any program. Some people are stealing our ideas, our programs, our experience and make presentations that’s their programs and ideas. I don’t have anything against that as long as you are honest, as long as you say: thanks to XYZ for the idea! I don’t have anything against any party as long as their program is not running around and screaming: Dirty PTOers. I don’t have anything against any party or member of Cabinet/CP until he or she is doing a good job and doesn’t officially accuse 33% of the nation for betraying of eJapan, while on the very same moment he doesn’t do anything about incoming war.
I don’t have anything against anyone who respect all citizens of eJapan.
I don’t have anything against anyone who thinks that we are all the same.
I don’t have anything against anyone who will work for eJapan.
So, where is the problem?
It’s all about politics… Power… Dirty politics…
Leave CtG from it. We are open to every single person who is respecting us. It’s not our problem. That is, ladies and gentleman, your problem. That is something that you must to heal by your own.
It’s all about politics… Power… Dirty politics… Dirty games which we don’t want to play. Because many of you won’t like those dirty games at the end.
So, once again.
I don’t have anything against anyone who respect all citizens of eJapan.
I don’t have anything against anyone who thinks that we are all the same.
I don’t have anything against anyone who will work for eJapan.
Ronin, penguin and proud citizen of eJapan,
Kowalski_afc
Comments
Merry Christmas and Happy New Year 🙂
MCMOOX je bio ovde !!!!
prvi 😃
o7 bravo kowi
next time write something on serbian, because j dont understand xD
good article
ЛАТИНИЦА! ФУЈ!
Пиши ћирилицом да те цео свет разуме 🙂
Let me break this down,
First up, the issue about refusing to adapt to the culture :
- I'm not sure if you all are refusing to listen, but you are, even if you claim you don't want to, HEAVILY advertising the serbian culture. I don't think it was ever the case of you but that is VERY, VERY demoralizing for the people that are already in the country.
Then, refusing to join the forums and the IRC channel :
- You claim that the channel is dead, THEN WHY THE FUCK NOT DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT AND TRY TO GET ON IT REGULARLY TO GET IT MORE ACTIVE!? Do you seriously think that is a legitimate excuse?
- You say there are ~20 people trolling eachother all the time, I'm not sure what you have been smoking but in the past month I have not noticed any trolling, and about it being only 20 people, it's exactly the same as above, for gods sakes just do something about it instead of claiming : "It's not active so I won't visit it!"
Then up, the claims that you are PTO :
- It's really fucking obvious that people think you are PTO because you refuse to stick to any good immigration law, if you think the current law is ANY good, then either you're lieing out of your ass or you're just really fucking stupid. If there is a law in place that prevents you from inviting all your friends, then you'd just go on by literally inviting everyone you know and accept them without government approval.
Anyone who wants to be a citizen would most likely want an immigration law that keeps the country safe.
Then last, you say you have contributed a lot to eJapan :
- IN WHAT WAY? War you say? You're NOT going to win any respect with that, it is for many people here one of the least important things.
While I'm sort of pissed off while writing this comment, as you probably notice, I'm still glad you atleast made some form of response. I doubt however any of these things will ever chance as long as you guys keep acting the way you are.
It is the job of Cabinet to make something about the channel and forum, not my job. Also, everyone is invited to forum and channel, but i don't think that many people has the wish to join those two. Why? Maybe because of the accusations from the start.
Immigration law is good for us. If you think that you can make better (and obvious you think so, as you make new one), then there is a Congress which should adopt it. Also, after that, 5 CPs of TOP5 parties should sign it. But, why only 5 TOP5 parties? Why to make such discrimination? So, it's not good law for me.
In which way i should be contributed to eJapan? Can you clarify what should i do, by your opinion?
You know, I respect you, but try to make precise questions and make your ideas and thoughts more clear.
Okay so how is an immigration law that everyone, aside from you guys, is against a good one?
The only reason people adopted it is because it was the only way to even get a law.
and kowalski, you again, are ignoring what I said about the forum and IRC. Be worth something to the community, and get people on IRC, THAT is a contribution people would appericiate. But I guess you people don't want to join because of the "only japanese or english" rule.
My contributions were before you people even entered the country.
They may not have been on a military level, but hey, atleast I did something that people actually value in this community.
Who said that everyone think that your law is good? We had discussion about it, it didn't passed. Now i see that you are trying to make it once again. Not problem for me, but why to discriminate someone?
About the irc, as we agreed that forum use app. 20 pax. Yes, maybe it's that too. But, can you tell me, as a part of ULJ, does all Lollies go to #nippon ? And both of us know the true. It's still too much boring there. Sorry because i'm telling this. In any way, maybe someone can make it more interesting? Nobunaga gave some good ideas week or two ago. Why not to try that?
IRC channel?
Kosovo?
Pavelic?
Jasenovac?
And you expect us to join?
An excellent job of evasion, deflection and just outright ignoring things kowalski
Oh, the beautiful art of demagoguery.
http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/open-letter-to-turt037-2327865/1/20
The day I start responding to someone's self-glorifing gibberish is the day I'll leave this game.
Once you were good troll. You are getting old, Turt... Bad troll, bad one...
The day when you do something useful in this game will be the day when i will leave eJapan.
Turt's already done 100x more for eJapan thant you have kowalski so bye bye
Пиши ћирилицом да те цео свет разуме 🙂 x2
Kowalski why you try to explain something to people who dont want to understand what you want to say ??
That is just rude. 😣
As a CP hopeful you should know the importance of communication, it allows people to settle their differences.
Sorry Kowalski-Senpai, I did not mean to release the article on a Serbian holiday, which I had no idea existed. ( I assumed everybody celebrated Christmas on the 25th of December) Although, this is eJapan...and European religious events should be irrelevant....
At any rate, the CtG will just label us trolls and not address the problem. I don't know if you have noticed, but many in eJapan questioned the CtG's purpose here. Please don't take the issue so lightly.
I think we should remove the divide between the two factions, but still you cling to Serbian culture. Just ease up and show some appreciation for foreign cultures, it can be fun!
Aryzn, first of all, it's not Serbian holiday. It's Orthodox Christian holiday.
Second, i didn't labeled anyone so far. In this moment, only we are labeled by some persons in eJapan like PTOers. Can you recall the moment when that happened?
And the third, i gave already examples. I see that you are born in January 2013. Do you know how many articles were translated by some of us to be published in English? Do you know what means tolerance?
I completely agree that we should remove the divide between the two factions, but if you look a little, you will see that we are open completely. But, in the same time, we won't give us our history, as it makes it us. We can't forgive that we were part of eSerbia, as she made us like this. But, that doesn't mean that we will do anything for eJapan, our new country.
I just don't see why its so important, no other group bands together to celebrate their foreign heritage. I could careless about American traditions (my homeland) when I play here in eJapan. This is because we are all here for eJapan and no other culture.
I consider my self rather patriotic, I plan to become an officer in the US military after university, but I have enough respect for this community to acknowledge that people here want to live peacefully enjoying Japanese culture. You cross the line when you start pushing Serbian culture in eJapan. Even if many Americans live in eJapan we don't make this the factor that determines who our friends are and which party's we join, as the Serbs do. Just be more considerate. ^.^
For me, it was important timing. Many people are not online today and simply won't answer to your article. But, i will take this like an coincidence.
What is Japanese culture, Aryzn? What we have here from Japanese culture? Which articles? I already tried to explain you in Jeti's article, but seems to me that you didn't understand me then.
Which articles about Japan's history or traditions we have in eJapan?
I have already told you I didn't even know such a holiday existed, you give me to much credit.
But, lets say you were right and there is no Japanese culture here, then don't you think we should be working to promote Japanese Culture? Its existence has no correlation with the desire for it to be here. For whatever cultural aspect, culture is the only reason we all decided to live here.
One such cultural event is the 成人の日, the coming of age event. I very much look forward to this event, we did it last year and I suspect we will do it again this year. Kita-kun also is introducing a system to enact clans, a very old aspect of Japanese history! The possibilities are endless ^.^
But now I must ask, if these events are so crucial to you, why have you done nothing to create them here in eJapan?
Because i'm mostly busy with writing such articles LOL
OK, seriously, i like some other aspects of this game. I wrote why i came in eJapan: it's (mostly) calm here. Also, i liked part of Japan's history and read about it some time ago.. But, clans? Mmm... Do you really think it will be good in this game? I mean, it will be useful?
Clans are roleplay, it's sole reason of existence to entertain and make it more fun playing eRep.
On a personal note, I think it will be fun. ^.^
I have been doing a lot of reading from that era and the idea of making a family with some of my eFriends is exciting!
But on the grounds of this discussion, its practicality is irrelevant. Different people like different things about Japan and so we should promote as much of its culture as we can. Furthermore, a promoting a foreign culture could turn away those who want to enjoy Japanese culture. But it appears the CtG don't see this. 🙁
I'm older than most anyone in eJapan and I have bumped into people of many many religions and this is the first time in my life I've ever run into the fact that the Orthodox side of Christendom has a different day for Christmas, so don't feel too bad Aryzn.
Kowalski seems hell bent to throw stones and not address the issues. Worse he seems quite ready to ignore any and all ideas on how CtG could rectify the situation even a tiny bit.
So, I won't repeat 2.D.G.
What I noticed in your article:
Not all Serbs were called PTO, some of the people you mentioned that were in the Cabinet weren't called PTOers and there's a reason for that. CTG is called PTO because of serbs taking over Sakurakai, took congress seats and started pouring in more serbians. TLS is a result of it.
And up to "let's be honest" you were mainly addressing the wrong points. You are talking about something else, it may be related to, but it is not the issue Aryzn or others discussed.
The avatar and outer appearence stuff you mentioned are a wrong example; you are twisting the topic into something else that is not related to the topic.
Mentioning that you did a lot for eJapan. No. Again. You are talking about something else again. In the past few months, people have brought up the topic of culture and merging here, yet you always say that you did a lot of DMG for eJapan and that's it. You're eRep. players, everybody does damage. This is normal, and again, this is not what we are discussing.
I think that mostly i answered on your questions (take a look on 2.D.G. and Aryzn posts and comments).
About Sakurakai: I wasn't in eJapan when that happened, but according to some sources (Ahava), reparations for the party was paid to Nowe. Also, it wasn't clear how that "PTO" of a Sakurakai was made as seems to me that there wasn't any resistance. So, the question what i have on my mind is: was that PTO at all? Once again, i wasn't in eJapan in that time.
The avatar is the thing that many of you mention. That's why i took it. You can use the same example on other similar things.
And no. You are not right again about the culture. How many articles which are not connected to the manga we had for past few months? So, i'm not interested in modern Japan's culture, but is that mean that i'm not interested at all? I'm just too old to write it by myself.
About the damage. I didn't mention it now at all... But, if you want to discuss about it, we can.
Info on Sakurakai: there was resistance, but there were more serbs than there were SKK active members. Next month I think ahava tried to get it back and failed.
Regarding the avatars: I didn't say that talking about the avatars was wrong, just the example you gave. Outer appearance of people is something completely different.
Damage: I wrote it regarding what you said about your contribution to eJapan. I thought you mean dmg by it, as it is the single thing you bring up in any conversation. I might have been wrong on that.
As i said, i can't tell anything about SKK except what i heard. In any way, also, as i heard, reparations were paid.
About the damage, i'm not the one which is claiming how much i made. But, note that this is still strategy game where damage is always needed.
And I get the point about avatars. Can you, please, tell me does only CtG members have avatars which are not "japanesed"?
The reason of mentioning the avatars in this topic is not the lack of a japanese avatar, but the mass appearance of serbian ones.
Sensha, are serbian avatars (and take a closer look, they are not serbian avatars mostly) only in mass appearance? 🙂
I don't think anyone was saying your avatar is "serbian". Actually someone might have, regarding your MU, but no. Here, now, I don't think your avatar is the one mentioned.
I always lol when people try and rationalize that PTOing SKK wasn't really a PTO... when it is the example of a PTO. If CtG really wanted to play nice why didn't they make their own party instead of PTO'ing an active part of our community? It's not like it costs THAT MUCH to make a new party now is it? And the Serbs that immigrated had significant numbers so the cost could even have been split down among them.
You still use Ceda like a good example for you guys, but infact he was nothing or rather bad. The only thing he did was push a leave CoT proposal(which failed ofcourse) without even discussing it and generally being inactive. Aside from that, He(while being CP of eJapan and thus a legitimate member of the CoT counsil) admitted to being a puppet to the eSerbian CP at the time.
Steamroller left to continue his job among the PTOers in eUS while also admitting to being a PTOer and that a lot of people in CtG are just bad apples.
Ceda was nothing? OK, who was good last year? And be honest...
and seems to me that you don't know anything about Steamroller and why he left eJapan. But, it's not my story. Also, where is our friend, well known PTOer eRice? I didn't saw him in your party. He left eJapan?
" And do you know the truth? Wherever you go, you are staying yourself. You can tell that you are Serbian with Russian, French or Hungarian citizenship. You can celebrate your own holidays, you can love the country where you were born or raised, you can tell that you love Serbia or Montenegro more than Russia/France/Hungary/Tunisia, and everyone will understand you. You can tell that you still have friends in SCg (let’s call it like that, as it is one of old names for Serbia and Montenegro), that you are in contact with them, you can walk on the street with coat of arms of Serbia, you can sing Serbian songs, you can talk on Serbian and believe it or not, you an even say loudly: I am Serbian (Montenegrian)! "
♥♥♥
Hope Gojira eats you all.
Sincerely,
Mile Rokudenashi Ubivah
When will I get eJapan CS? (:
Post an application at the forum
http://nihonforums.net/
I applied there more than a year ago (:
will you stay at least 6 months? 🙂
Maybe yes, maybe not (:
The hell he won't.
I didn't check his citizen account.
He's had almost every citizenship possible.
I don't think he will stay more than a week or two.
Yes, you gave CS to other eTravelers but now me (: I've been in Saudi for few weeks and did over 30 billions dmg for them, obviusly you don't need it (;
People and their sad obsession with damage
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