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You have never shown any willingness to work together.

You are all rhetoric.

Predictable Vanek is predictable.

Really Vanek? We haven't? I haven't? You sir, are not being truthful.

You go, Mo!

Morri? How have you tried to work together? You ignore the President, refuse to join the NSC room, when the President asks you if you had any thoughts on long term planning you laugh at him.

There have been no attempt by the JCS to work with the rest of the country, and that is fact.

At this point, unless logs are produced to show blatant unwillingness to work together, it'll just keep being a he-said she-said issue where the country will suffer because of it.

Vanek26? What part of we get NO FUNDING do you not understand?
So just how many hoops do you believe the JCS needs to jump to play nice with the President.

As I see many, many battles in a day. I watch time after time your people fight battles just to hunt the BHs (for the 5 gold I imagine), you are not all hypocrites but some of you are.

I get so tired of all this.... I tell you this I fight with the JCS, I will never join one of you groups.

I remember a time not too long ago (i.e. weeks) where things were going just fine. But, Vanek, you keep re-hashing things. Did you read my article?

LET IT GO, MOVE ON! Be Happy be merry let go of this idiotic anger/rage/drama!

I guess you and your comments are part of the problem. We need people that are willing to look past the differences and past disputes. People that are willing to come to the table, wipe the slate clean and be smart about this thing. I am, have been, will be. Why aren't you?

You are clearly still rehashing and blaming. If you are unable to move on, please have someone more willing to do so be in your place.

For example, Oblige came to us and he was kinda great. There was respect there, on both our parts. We need more people like that.

"For example, Oblige came to us and he was kinda great. There was respect there, on both our parts. We need more people like that."

You have to have special envoys? Why can't you just participate like everyone else?

/me sighs.

Really? More fighting? More recrimination? Must we keep going down this path that has led us to the animosity of today? Can we just move on?

I am not talking about special envoys, rooms, chats, forums, channels or anything like that.

I am talking about attitude. About having the right kind of attitude when approaching someone.

I love the Military! All branches, all units, all formats. Both JCS and National, Militia, and other. We are all family with common goals. We need to fight and play together. Thats what makes this a game. I remember when we would spend hours together having fun. EVERYONE, even people who weren't necessarily looked fond upon. I miss those days, even the drama then didn't turn away people looking for fun. Thanks Morri for your article!

"I guess you and your comments are part of the problem. We need people that are willing to look past the differences and past disputes. "

Bingo.

"How have you tried to work together? You ignore the President, refuse to join the NSC room, when the President asks you if you had any thoughts on long term planning you laugh at him."

Lies. I was all the time in #NSC as Vice Chairman of Joint Chiefs. I made plan which was accepted by USA, Terra and EDEN, twice.

"There have been no attempt by the JCS to work with the rest of the country, and that is fact."

Read above. 😁

And now I am banned on #NSC. Good game.

This country officially sucks...I'm drowning in the ego pool.

It's official! Vanek26 has officially cried a river.

We are ready to move on. But control freaks like Pfeiffer and Vanek refuse to let things go. If they weren't so hell bent on destroying us (the JCS and the US Military), maybe the game could be somewhat enjoyable again.

At this point, just leave us alone. Let us enjoy our game. Stop throwing shit in my sandbox and stop trying to burn my tree house down.

o/ John Jay

@Vanek26: You might wish to wipe the brown stain off your nose. Considering the logs of the NSC room clearly show the JCS military attempting to get along and then being shafted for it, you might wish to correct your statement.

Or just go on business as usual until that brown stain on your nose envelops your head.

Okay. Pretty rhetoric and a few lies, considering SF can't publish an article without JCS people trolling the comments. Last I checked, SF couldn't give less of a crap what you guys do, unless you start stepping on our toes.

Also, Tech? I have plenty of people who do more damage than you every day. Thanks for your contribution, but we're not interested in an undisciplined soldier. Have a great day.

Morri, the reason your officers were banned was because it was decided that if the JCSF is unwilling to fight for the eUSA and wants to be a rouge militia their officers should not have access to...anything. We don't let the Spanish military in various channels military/government, why would we let a rouge militia not interested in fighting for the eUSA?

The fact is Morri, CyberWitch had a choice. She could have added Cantabria to the prio list, thrown it at the bottom and there wouldn't have been a problem. CyberWitch made the choice though to flat outright reject the President's request AND state that "Spain is boring". Might I remind you, we are at WAR with Spain and last I checked the JCSF's job is to fight and claims to fight for the eUSA, heck you guys and gals claim to be the "eUS" Military.

This is one of my biggest problem with the JCS, a complete disregard for the eUSA. I'm sorry Morri if you don't like your people being banned from channels, but the JCSF can not be trusted any longer. If you can't fight for the eUSA, how long until you start giving out information, or start fighting for nations belonging to ONE because they asked for help?

It was as simple as acknowledging to the President that this battle was important and that the JCS would help there if it could. Instead the JCS pretty much said no we don't care. Remember Romania? The last time you went to "help an ally" you achieved NOTHING and the eUSA suffered defeat after defeat, but that situation I highly doubt the JCSF could have done anything.

@Relorian The only JCS person to really ever come into the NSC channel and participate more than a few minutes and not leave in some weird tantrum in response to a perceived insult was HisAirness and AutumnsDawn. Neither of them were "shafted", both were treated with respect. Since you have logs I would love to see them, because I think you're full of it and don't have anything.

@Armandez,

After being polite and trying to be helpful I was banned from the NSC room the next daythe next day by Vanek and Pfeiifer. To quote A^2 "They think you (JCS) don't have a right to exist." I think that quote sums it up pretty nicely.

Cheers,

Nx

I can deal with being called a rogue militia...but a "rouge militia" ?? C'mon people if you're going to be a haughty arrogant [expletive deleted] use spell check people!

Rouge is a color. and a makeup base. Everyone knows rogue militias look terrible in rouge.

Armandez: The only JCS person to really ever come into the NSC channel and participate more than a few minutes and not leave in some weird tantrum in response to a perceived insult was HisAirness and AutumnsDawn. Neither of them were "shafted", both were treated with respect.

Orly? Did you miss the comment where HisAirness said that he was banned? He's Vice Chairman for crying out loud. Yet you say he wasn't shafted.

Did you miss the part where he was banned because the JCS feels it doesn't need to listen to the President? Only people who fight for the eUSA are allowed. The loyalty of the JCS is in question.

NXNW, that's a he said she said situation. I have yet to see logs from you or from the other side which says you are blowing it out of proportion.

JCSF and by extension should have significant leeway because they do this all without funding, often times using their own gold to supply their own soldiers to deal damage for this country and our traditional allies, which most administrations seem perfectly content to throw under the bus.

This whole powder keg was sparked probably from lack of enough detailed communication. I'm not in the back room channels where they meeting took place but perhaps both sides need to be more clear and respectful in their exchanges.

Now since I'm not behind closed doors and no logs are released, I am making some assumptions here:

For the POTUS, instead of saying "Fight here cuz I order you to.", explain why and explain that if the old Military group sacrifices one of Australia's mini-battles so we can clinch the first Spain battle without the dumping of a ton of gold tanking by people like Artela, we will commit the Armed Forces to assisting Australia through the night since we have enough damage to go around in our prime time.

For the CJCS, instead of just saying "No, we made a promise to Australia and we are following it, no matter what.", coordinate with the NSC so we can focus on our damage together, perhaps first Steam Roll spain out of their prime time and into ours, then steam roll the Indos because that is always fun.

Need to stop butting heads and start trying to work together. Right now, it's a whole crapload of he said she said stuff. If one side is seriously being a dick and sabotaging communication, log it so you have concrete proof instead of just slinging mud without any backing.

Well Kell the whole problem is simply, why couldn't they just add Cantabria to their battle list? Australia was just one battle. Unless the JCS are going back to the good old system of overkill a single battle, there is no reason they couldn't throw up Cantabria. That's the problem.

@ Fitisin - I look good in Rouge 😉

>but perhaps both sides need to be more clear and respectful in their exchanges.
Amen Kell.

@Armandez - You have gone off the deep end. Likening us to Spain? Have you gone mental? I am sorry, I am not even going to address the rest of your comments until you stop talking crap and furthering the mud slinging. You are now a mud-slinger and an instigator Armandez. You are not helping. You have become part of the problem and therefore cannot be part of the solution. When you move on past this...drama...please come back and become part of the solution.

Until then, please stop talking and instigating.

In all honesty, whats to stop you from supporting Spain or another enemy nation?

Well Armandez for one, it would go against every single member of the JCS.

Simply because the JCSF doesn't blindly follow the orders of the President or hostile members of the administration does NOT imply that the JCSF is somehow unpatriotic or disloyal to the nation.

@ Sir Valaro Volcrum: Respect the office, not the man. The JCS stopped doing that and decided it wanted to lead rather than follow. Soldiers follow, politicians lead. that has always been the way of the soldier. I wasn't here when this all went down. This is my take based on what you guys post.

Well wapu, doesnt office has to respect the other side (JCS) too? We are not slaves here. It's not only JCS who have to obey, respect and lie down when someone decides to start throwing mud etc. Actually i really cant care less if Executive hates or loves JCS - its up to them and none of our concern. I just believe that blaming JCS constantly aint gonna improve the situation. Executive's way aint the one and only and frankly it makes me wonder why this current incident is being served like JCS hasnt fought for the States like half a year or so. Im aware that SF is doing great with its more active members and gov finances but that should not the reason to ridicule us. Do what you do well and let us do the same. If you have to bitch about us or sth else im sure you have enough private channels or forum threads for that. We are not telling what and how you should do it - perhaps Executive or at least some people there will finally manage to do the same.

This has nothing to do with the SF, we got drawn in because people were making snide remarks about us in passing and lumping us in with 'puppet controllers' or something, so we felt we needed to defend ourselves from ridiculous accusations. The main issue is the greatly strained relationship between the Government and the JCS Brass.