A Pardon For Rolo
Day 1,555, 11:45
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by Kronos Q
When the motion to pardon Rolo Tahmasee of his "crimes" was first presented in Congress, it was presented as a "Win - Status Quo" scenario. If Rolo stops, we win. If he doesn't, we go back to status quo. With that thought, it isn't a bad idea to try it, which is probably what some Congress-members thought. That certainly isn't the whole scenario, though. There are two things I'd like to note.
First, yesterday I looked more into the scenario. Since most of my eRep attention has been on our coordination with Ireland in terms of wiping the UK, I hadn't had much of a chance to look at the wider scenario, especially since discussion had lasted barely more than a day. Certain Congress-members pushed heavily that "we have nothing to lose" if we pardon Rolo. Judging from the initial reactions to many on this subject, it is clear that this isn't true. The Human Element, our ethics and beliefs, is certainly to lose. We have already seen a few resignations caused by the pardon, a few of which are a great lose for eCanada. So we are losing even before we see Rolo's reactions. Either Congress had grossly misinterpreted the implications of the motion, or they were intentionally ignoring them.
Secondly, a number of Congress-members who supported the pardon did so on a condition: that Rolo indicates he is willing to co-operate. After asking one of these Congress-members, they admit that this condition was not met. There are three of these misrepresented votes, which should have been "no" votes if they had been paying attention. And those three votes were just enough for the motion to pass, on a condition that was never met.
Though I said I wouldn't interfere with their vote, I will do so now. Because discussion barely touched the true implications of the motion, because supporters misrepresented the motion, and because conditions of support were never actually met, I veto the motion, overturning the decision to pardon Rolo Tahmasee.
This is a motion that will do exactly the opposite of what Congress hopes it will do. I only wish Congress had payed more attention to it. And I wish I had been paying more attention to it.
Thank you for reading.
President of eCanada.
Wednesday, February 22nd, 2012.
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Thank you Kronos Q!
Sometimes we must be protected from ourselves.
I demand a new vote. Rolo is a true eCanadain hero and patriot.
And if you don't believe me just ask him yourself.
I can't believe it.
This is truly awesome.
interesting turn of events.
I think this is a judicious use of the veto power.
Let Congress have a full debate and if they see fit to verify their intentions as a reading of the first motion indicated, so be it.
Kronos4CP
Every eye sees its own special vision;
every ear hears a most different song.
In each man's troubled heart, and incision
would reveal a unique, shameful wrong.
Stranger fiends hide here in human guise
than reside in the valleys of Hell.
But goodness, kindness and love arise
in the heart of the poor beast, as well.
-- "The Book Of Counted Sorrows"
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"Secondly, a number of Congress-members who supported the pardon did so on a condition: that Rolo indicates he is willing to co-operate"
Did the pardon ever take affect? Did he get a chance to co-operate?
"conditions of support were never actually met"
What "terorist act" did he commit since the pardon was accepted, that was the condition.
So you veto'd it and a motion to over turn a veto is not likely to succeed and since your paying attention now, what are you going to do?
A monkey-disgusting turn of events. And go figure, Rigour the RL lawyer is all creaming his pants over this "...judicious use of the veto power". Nothing quite like redefining the terms to suit an agenda/outcome.
I he's going to pick up his ball and... return home with it?
trololololo ananza trolollololo
sanity has a place in our government after all? (half smile)
and here we go
Then if the veto isn't overthrow, I will resign from SC and leaves eCanada.
This is how we play the game now I guess...
lol
I'd like the prime minoster to answer the points the crisfire has brough up please
In the opening motion for the pardon I indicated that he would cooperate if the pardon succeeds
Along with given the chance to cooperate thats pretty much an indication he will cooperate, isnt it?
"We have already seen a few resignations caused by the pardon"
Who else resigned besides the Comptroller?
Please dont tell me Rigour leaving counts as a resignation
If you thought Rolo was rabid before, what do you think this will do to him?
I hope you get 400 voters lined up to support your next endorsed PP for EPIC, because I've got a feeling you're going to need them.
Something tells me more action will be taken to protect EPIC than there was for the CPP, kinda like how more action was taken to veto the pardon motion becuase an EPIC member cried on the forums and resigned his position
Thank you Kronos Q!
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Sometimes we must be protected from ourselves.
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Each CP faces at least one crisis each term and it provides the guy in charge a chance to show his true colours. Outstanding job on this crisis Kronos, good leadership and tremendously just use of the powers of veto.
Rolo has been yarded plenty of rope, so has SAWC for that matter. SAWC showed us all what can happen when you are too quick to forgive, it is high time to hold the guilty accountable and insist on repentance before awarding such a pardon or forgiveness.
Interesting trend that has developed over time; congress cock-blocks the CP and the CP cock-blocks congress, it would appear that in eCan government, making the first move is the last mistake
Good job on breaking your own word. I hope you enjoy the bribe
This is like that insurance commercial where the dude gives the kid a truck and then almost immediately takes it away
...and so the monkey's spine bends
This is the right move. Rolo doesnnt want a pardon, he wants to be told he was right. Since he wasn't, this saves eCanada.
Also, this is a case of the government stepping in to replace an insane person , in this case, congress.
Spoken like a true EPIC member Mr.Beeman
Ill remind you of how insane Congress is when Rolo is your PP
damn lost all my respect for you right there. Never had I been so inclined to purchase Gold.
See you on the Battlefield.
silly monkey..
"...I hope you enjoy the bribe"
I lol'd, bribes are the grist to the the political mill in Canada. Votes and citizenships are bought and sold, and now we can argue that pardons and vetos are as well. Too bad you can't fix pricing in the marketplace for these eCanadian commodities.
Great insight from a quality eAmerican.
Thanks for stopping by Addy. Feel free to not do it again.
I think it's time for another article about the Presidential Monkey Business!
Well put, and well done.
@crisfire: you mad bro? whats with the EPIC attack's?
This is golden. If I wrote a paper I'd be hard at work trying to come up with the first Kronos Q debate article. Monkey Business: Flip-flopping politician or saving a country? How could anyone leave eCanada when the media is this good.
To sum up for the citizens who don't like reading epic comment battles: Did KQ sacrifice honour and reputation to do what he feels is right, or is he shifting his feet to satisfy his ties to political supporters?
I love this game.
I guess Uncorporated is really pointing out the general feeling on to how the uninitiated to this are now feeling.
Is this really an important question. Is it important to divide our nation, drive faithful to other lands, and in general tear our country in two?
Maybe its not as simple a question as "Was the pardon the right thing to do", because I will agree that in principal there should have been a debate, and then a vote placed to the congress. From what I've come to understand though is that there was no debate and people just threw votes at it based on a gut instinct.
And while fair in poker, we are not playing poker.
This is eRepublik.
This is a simulation of civilization, but more importantly, this is a simulation game. We've brought real life into the game that was originally designed to support those items tertiarily, but now primarily supports the simple three click players and tells the rest of us to get lost.
I understand that a penalty must be set, and executed. And I understand that we must punish to make an example to the rest, but he's served a year of exile from the IRC. He's endured a year of constant mistrust, reminded endlessly of his past misdeeds. Is this not enough? Has not his time been served? Will cash payments make the world feel better?
No matter what, a stigma will exist with Rolo, and there will always be an aura of mistrust that will surround every bid for leadership, so what will denying him the access to a normal, and media free life do?
😁 That's a smart one.
A cp going back on his word is almost grounds for impeachment.
I'm not sure the situation with Rolo but that is no longer the point at hand as soon as Kronos overruled the congress decision and broke his word (which as the cp should be sacred) the situation became about Kronos and whether this is an abuse of power or simply an act of cowardice to please certain members of the old boys club if it is the former then that does warrant impeachment if the later then it shows a spineless man with no character.
No matter how you spin it going back on your word makes you a gutless man.
Only fools and idiots never change their mind. Your decision might be good or bad, but you took one, and that, is leadership. Now we can move on to real subjects.
Keep up the good work
TCO are rabids to earn voters I guess it's supposed to be normal for a new party wanting to grab the power.
You know crisfire every time you repeat the line "he would cooperate IF the pardon succeeds" (emphasis added) it sounds more and more like an ultimatum to the rest of the country. Well look at it this way, the pardon vote did succeed, according to your promise, Rolo must now cooperate. I look forward to seeing that, I'm sure it will start any minute.
You might also want to consider the fact that 24 hours is the MINIMUM time for debate, not the maximum. On a sticky, or emotionally charged issue like a pardon of the nation's most profligate felon taking the time to reach consensus or at least let everyone have their say is the way to get it done. Ramming it through at lightning speed is what creates hard feelings, breeds mistrust and leads to new battles like the Veto vote.
Best of luck on your Congressional run, you just might need it.
Goran Thrax
Goran, the order must be this: he cooperate, then Congress will pardon him. Otherwise, for me all this mess smells like blackmail.
LOL
@ Groan
Thats gonna be hard to show as the Veto will pass
regardless of the length of the debate it was legal and totally not my call
and I am under no illusion that I probably committed political suicide trying to end something that has been plaguing eCanada for over a year now before more party's fall and more people leave out of frustration
OK, so in principal, congress has decided that Rolo has deserved a pardon.
How about we abridge it to Parole then.
He'll be monitored, and have his access renewed, but with oversight? And this should be reviewed periodically.
Then this becomes the question of who will review, how will it be reviewed, and what markers will prompt the failure of recognizance on Rolo's part.
The issue at hand has become greater than Rolo versus anyone else, Its become a point where you are obviously on one side or the other. You either support Rolo, and support that he should be free to game in peace, or you support the Kronos decision and feel that Rolo has not yet learned his ways. There is very little middle ground for us to remain on, as you slowly tear this away.
That being said, there are also terribly few impartial players remaining to this. I have no loyalties to either, only the country and cannot see any high ranking player being able to fairly set a set of guidelines for full pardon that would satisfy both parties in this case.
As others have pointed out, Rolo wishes an all or nothing game. Full pardon, or gaming his way.
Find a common ground. Establish openly, and clearly, to Canada what we will expect his "change" to be such that he can be pardoned. Then do so!
Will people bring up the past? Yes, they always will, and it will dog Rolo for the rest of his days, same as people will compare every sitting CP to Jacobi, or other past CP's. History is what we've created. You must live with the past you've created, and build the future you hope for. Let us build a future of peace and brotherhood.
Or at least Civility and Contentment.
"Find a common ground. Establish openly, and clearly, to Canada what we will expect his "change" to be such that he can be pardoned. Then do so!"
Establish is one thing - doing what was established is another one. Unfortunatelly, he want to do nothing now, he want to be pardoned, and then, we will see...
The simple fact is that if he would have made good things on the last year (since all this mess has started), he would have been pardoned long time ago.
the proof : "I stated that an "Unconditional Pardon" would convince me to stop my ways as truly I would have nothing to lose at that point "
"Only fools and idiots never change their mind. Your decision might be good or bad, but you took one, and that, is leadership. Now we can move on to real subjects.
Keep up the good work"
Well said Ace Riddler. I just wanted to say that I respect both your decision and your civility regarding such a decision Kronos.
Sweeta, the issue was that it was never clearly defined, beyond a simple gold payment, what would ever establish a point at which the court system would allow all the rights and privileges to be returned.
You cant establish a contract with terms like "some" and "a bit of" and expect people to see satisfaction in the terms. Both parties will interpret the values to be the best values that would suit them. The gray area needs narrowing.
And as for "I stated that an "Unconditional Pardon" would convince me to stop my ways as truly I would have nothing to lose at that point ", Rolo is right on this point. What good will partial acquittal of past misdeeds do here? Allow all to complain about a set of lesser charges? Deny access to portions of the chat and IRC? Realistically, there could be some point if there was an ability to penalize inside the game for violation of charters and rights, but there is not, and as such you only affect his out of game rights.
Do you not see that he's, in response, affecting your in game rights? Yes, this does constitute what some of you have termed "eTerrorism", but realize that this is a game, and as such, people will play it as they see fit. Rolo is playing it in what would be thought of as a selfish manner, but it is still being played...nothing more or less.
Choose to fight him, and I maintain he will fight back.
Chose to extend the olive branch of peace, and provide clear, and exact terms of recognizance and monitors to oversee them, and see a peace that all can live with.