A Message To The German Administration
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by Percival Dumbledore
Hello Denmark and Germany, let me introduce myself first.
My name is Percival Dumbledore. I am formerly known as Flitwick.
Enough about that.
A few days ago we succeeded in having a succesful election on Danish grounds. Successful in the terms, no doubt about who is in charge, The Danes. PTOers are at the moment very few and the count of real Danes in eDenmark are growing rapidly.
This is very good for the country, but how is it for our union with Germany.
More than a year ago, I was one of the people behind the Germarkian union. A union that has proved to be very succesful in terms of creating a stable area.
But, it seems, that the German administration has somehow gotten the wrong idea about what the union is all about. Let me remind everyone.
When we created the union it was to benefit both Denmark and Germany.
Germany would gain 20/20 extra production bonus. A bonus that was very important at those times and still is. If bonuses did not matter, Poland would not be most of Europe.
Denmark would be sure that Danish soil would be occupied when needed, that the Presidential office was always occupied by a trusted person and that no congress was elected.
During the year that has past, Denmark has become one of the richest countries in the eWorld. How? Because we had no way of obtaining the money we earned from the bot buying goods.
Six months ago, German President asked Flitwick and Maine Coon, if we could somehow gain access to the Danish Country Treasury, get the money out of it and give some of it to Germany.
I, back then, agreed that this was something we should do. This was shortly before Flitwick died and I was no longer active.
It took six months to gain a congress that was able to get all the money out of the Country Treasury and into safety.
And in that time the German administration has changed and so has the attitude.
Six months ago, they requested to get some money from Denmark. A few days ago, they demanded to get money.
And this is a very significant change.
Let me put this straight. Germany, you have no right in demanding anything from the Danish people, unless it is clearly stated in the union agreement.
You have the right to ask for economic help. But if you demand anything, you may very well get nothing.
I hope you understand this distinction.
eDenmark is not above gifting. But eDenmark could very well be against subcoming to any demands, from whoever demands it.
Best Regards,
Percival Dumbledore
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Germans, we love you and thank you! You've done an excellent job, and you've definitely deserve compensation. Let's just maintain an equal relation in this Union, and make sure we keep the spirit of trust that I've felt since the birth of Germark.
This is your own view of the matter and I respect it.
But talking about respect, we are not demanding any money. We are just asking to give us sth back, as
we invested a lot to defend you against PTOers.
But as I said, I also respect your point of view.
That was me. Forgot to log out.
And also: money, the root of all evil.
True story.
Erste Hilfe, what we have been informed is, that no request has been made, only demands.
Maybe you can buy some new friends with all that money you now have.
If comments could be downvoted, yours would be in eternal minus.
You never buy friends. And friends never wants to be bought.
The money will of course be used for developing the Danish Community.
We supported you against the PTO and fought in your RWs. Many people invested private funds to help to protect your country. If there wouldn't be help from eGermany, your money and gold would be gone. So it's just fair to refund the costs which emerged due to your issues. That weren't our issues.
I have no problem with Denmark gifting money to Germany.
I have a huge problem with Germany demanding or not being satisfied with whatever amount we would like to donate.
Whatever amount of money the Danish people is prepared to offer Germany is the right amount. And Germany should be satisfied with this, as nowhere in the contract is it stated that money is to be paid.
Just like we do not demand any money for handing you a 20/20 production bonus for now 15 months.
The message is. Ask and be satisfied with whatever the answer is.
Do not demand or be unsatisfied with whatever amount of money is offered.
First I do not think you speak for the government so this is nothing more but a silly op ed article. Second, I think your attitude really sucks. This is your way to treat your friends? It seems it is you who cares a lot more about money than us Germans. While the amount of money can be negotiated but I think you are keen on not compensating one single penny to help us with the cost.
I can speak personally. I used my own tanks, energy bars and gold to fight for the Danes. I am not personally asking money money for myself. But I think it is lame and highly provocative for you to have your country back and said good bye and give the eGerman Gov a one finger salute and said they will not compensate for some of the cost even if it is symbolic.
I think the biggest insult is not about the money just hours of your freedom, you are pushing the Germans using money and if the Germans "NEEDS" economic help then they will consider it. I think most Danes are not like that.
First, the Danes are not free. We are still in the union.
The union treaty stands and the union is still in effect.
Denmark has never said goodbye and as it is have no intentions on doing so.
And you are very right, the Danes in general would like to help Germany.
But, you have NO RIGHT in demanding it. And it is exactly what I am writing.
Ask, do not demand.
And be happy with whatever we are prepared to offer.
Do not negotiate.
Percival, I kindly ask you to not dig a hole for ne negotiations between denmark and germany or better between us.
There are still negotiations between the governments and your behaviour does not make things easier for both sides.
As a personal note:
I don't like your arrogant airs..
Why don't you try to communicate before insulting others?
I have not insulted anyone, anywhere.
My whole article is one big communication.
Please keep in mind, that this is 1 persons point of view.
And not shared by all of us..
Thanks, ChrisseR
We know that, for sure 🙂
I would also like to make it clear this article is Percival Dumbledore's view on the case. I have to admit I'm not that in to what request/demands that have been made being it the one or the other of those two. I do think this is unnecessary provocation to write this article when there is negotiations ongoing. It's very accusing and isn't helping to achive anything. Let there be sensible negotiations and attempts to reach an agreement.
I clearly think that it would be fine to have negotiations between the danish and german governments to take a look on a compensation in economic terms. To make it clear it should also be a agreement that both parties could agree to so we all can get out of it satisfied.
One thing Percival is right about is that germany can't simply demand all money, but yet again I don't know if that has anything to do with what has really happened.
Sasori5, Maine Coon and Stente are all good sensible people I trust in regarding any negotiations.
First of all it's funny to see someone judging meetings, who did not take part of them.
To the subject:
The Union is active since more than one year. During this time, the whole expenses of the union were covered by money from one union-Partner (Germany) as the other Partner had no access to it's money.
That's okay, nobody complains about it.
This is for the common costs as for example MPPs who gave access to battles to every citizen of the union and for the costs for fighting down every PTO-attempt to "free" regions for congress-Election.
I think it's self-evident that the second partner (who now has access to its money) is now covering a part of the costs. And of course there have to be negotiations about how high this part will be. Such an "eat or die" attitude as you are presenting in your article must not have place in our Union.
And just a little thing to think about:
We started the negotiations when the high PTO-risk was over. We never used the extreme dependency of the past for negotiation. Of course a negotiation at the 23rd of december would have been pretty short and very single-sided but we waited till the moment where the risk was over. I think most people would judge this as a high grade of fairness 🙂
What is fair is us gifting you a big sum of money and you accepting this gift with graditude.
What is right is no money being exchanged at all, as this is what is stated in the union contract, a contract both Germany and Denmark is obliged to follow.
And I have read the logs on the meetings. I know excactly what happened, what was talked about and what was agreed and not agreed upon.
Facts are.
Germany are entitled to nothing.
Denmark is obliged to pay nothing.
Denmark would like to gift the German people as a thanks.
Germany refused to accept the gift and demanded a bigger amount.
If you ask me, Germany insulted the Danish people when they refused to accept the gift we wanted to donate.
Other than that, I think the proposed gift was way too small, but that is a different matter.
It was a gift, it was refused. That is unacceptable. Unacceptable, when you instead demanded more. And instead of saying thanks for the very generous gift, please send now, but is it possible to get more (which I am sure would have been giving willingly), it all got tied up in a knott. Which is very unfortunate.
My message and only purpose of this article is, as the article clearly reads.
Please accept our gift and be happy about it.
And if you feel Denmark should contribute more, then ask if it possible to renegotiate the union contract, where some kind of payment is going to be involved for monthly services or whatever it is, would benefit both countries the most.
Thank you.
Kindness is all I ask for. It is not as negative as it seems.
You know, we can always let the Danes go it alone and you can fend for yourself? Is that what you want. The more you dig, the deeper the hole you will go it only hurts your image and our countries efforts to cooperate. If you are bent on ending the union, keep what you are doing now. If not, you really should change your tone and attitude.
Ditto.
Imagine you live in someone's house, because you're in trouble and the person offers to help you. You have protection from rain and cold, you can participate in everything what's happening around, like it was your home. The person demands nothing from you because he likes you.
After 1 month you win in lottery and the owner asks you to offset the costs which resulted for using electricity, water and so an. Just an approx. calculation. He wants 100 bucks from you.
And your answer is: you know what? I can make you a gift and give you 50 bucks.
Ridiculous.
What is ridiculous, that you call our offer ridiculous.
Oh, and while said person lived in the house, he made sure, that the other people living there raised their production by 20%, making tonnes of money. The said person never asked anything in return for this, at is was this persons contribution.
Read the contract.
Accept the gift.
Stop whining about getting a tonnes of money, as a gift.
If you are not happy with the gift you are giving, then you can decline. But do not ask for the same gift item afterwards, just in a bigger version. That is just plain rude and insulting.
A gift would be something beyond. That means if you give us additional money after you paid your debts. Like you pay us the 1.5 M plus 100k as a gift.
As a concerned citizen of Germark, I'd like to see negotiations continue between government officials of both countries - as opposed to bashing at each other. This is obviously not getting us anywhere, so let's restart and try to find a way to make both parties satisfied with a deal.
well lets see:
1.
a) denmark was friendly wiped to prevent losing the regions
so
b) germany got the regions and with this a boni+
BUT
2.
a) because of the "treasure" germany got involved in not foreseen huge(!) battles and had huge expenses
b) without germany denmark would never got the money (lost it to PTOs before being ready to win elections) and maybe would even not be able to hold their regions
and now germany would like to get some of their expenses back but should ask for it kneeling on the ground licking shoes? you serious?
with this i don't say give much but
1. you should give a sum of money that you think germany has deserved no matter what and this without any need for questions and begging from german side (desiding of the high of the donation should be denmark-internal-issue)
2. and then maybe give a bonus (high depending on negotiations between germany and denmark so that germany has a chance to say either "ok the money you already gave us is enough" or negotiate for some more)
had a nice idea:
i think the money is as much germanys money as it is denmarks money
yeah denmark generated the money BUT germany defended/protected it.
you can generate 10million currency or even 100million - without the ability to protect the money both are worth the same. all money you produce is worth nothing if you lose it (can't protect it).
but yeah denmark is a state and not some crappy welfare-non-profit club so of course this 50:50 is just a philosophical utopia and it is not really my intension to demand half the money for germany. just wanted to make a point in favor of germany nothing else.
sorry if any of this was already in the comments - i just read the article
That makes complete sense - but if we're in fact facing this with a gun to our heads, de facto the union is based solitary on monetary issues, I don't really see the difference between you and PTO'ers.
Sure we did ask for protection, but the scale of it was something both Germany and Denmark was surprised of - and I'm sure most would agree.
I agree that there should be some kind of compensation - but we've been hearing demands of monthly transactions bigger than our monthly incomes. That just makes the union a time-set bomb for us, and I guess we want more than that.
And now in Haiku:
What are you doing?
This does not benefit us!
Please stop being dumb
I just wanna point out what if any danes feel's what they been kept out of influence in the decision-making process of this matter, wan´t to heard on their opinion or just wan't to be a part of the debate in the future, it could have/will be done on our IRC channel.
Link to eDenmark live chat http://webchat.quakenet.org/?channels=eDenmark
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