A Matter of Perspective
Quicksilver
I am surprised by some Romanians, even friends who say they do not understand our actions - after all they were perfectly logical at the time and I do not know why you cannot understand it. I knew you were intelligent and good tacticians - but I guess you never tried to consider things from our viewpoint. Your actions - and I will not label them now in any way - gave PEACE one chance to stop you, and by not acting straight away you gave us the time to act as well. I do not consider it intentional, although I might be wrong there. But the point is, you invited PEACE to attack and it could only have come from us. Now there comes a point you might not have considered; our position. As PEACE had this one chance, the time-window was really small, and we were the only ones who could do it, the pressure was high on us. I mean it was not any kind of choice, not really.
Matters really seem different in morning light. It is always thus. It could have been peace between our countries... but it was not important enough for you, you stalled and did not care about it - so instead of peace, you got PEACE. An occasion like this was sure to pop up sooner or later, and you really cannot blame us to try and get back those grain resources that you denied us out of... spite? Carelessness? Disinterest? It could have been peace, yes. Many worked hard for it on both sides of the border. But one cannot make peace with an open wound festering between the sides. We tried to get over it. But any kind of a chance was enough to throw months of peacemaking to the winds. And you gave the chance, one might say you gave us the initiative.
We took it. It was logical and it might have succeeded, if not for the server problems. But that is already a past and we have a present instead. Instead of a peace it is now war. Life brought it about. I also have a personal message to some of you: I have used harsh words yesterday, and they were insulting. I do ask forgiveness for that – it was wrong, I should not have let my emotions run wild and even as enemies we should be civil to each other – we all owe this to ourselves. After all it is a game. 🙂
Meglep, hogy románok, még ismerősök is azt mondják, hogy nem értik a cselekedeteinket – pedig teljesen logikusak voltak amikor megtörténtek, és nem értem, hogy mi nem érthető rajtuk. Tudom, hogy jó taktikusok és intelligensek – de valószínűleg meg sem próbálták a dolgokat a mi nézőpontunkból nézni. Románia tegnapi tettei – és itt semmiféle módon nem minősítem őket – egy esélyt adtak a PEACE-nek arra, hogy megállítsa a román támadást, és az, hogy késlekedtek (ami szerintem nem volt szándékos, bár ezt lehet, hogy rosszul gondolom), az időt is adott arra, hogy kidolgozódjon egy terv rá. De a lényeg az, hogy ezzel valósággal behívták a PEACE támadását, ami nyilvánvalóan csak rajtunk keresztül történhetett meg. És itt van az, amit többen nem vettek figyelembe – mivel a PEACE-nek ez az egy esélye volt, és mindössze egy igen szűk időablak rá – így a ránk nehezedő nyomás igencsak nagy volt. Annyira, hogy nem mondanám, hogy valódi választási lehetőségünk volt a dologban…
A dolgok mindig másnak látszanak a reggel józanabb fényében. Ez mindig így van. Lehetett volna béke az országaink között… de nektek nem volt ez fontos, húztátok, halasztottátok, nem érdekelt – egészen addig, amíg a béke helyett PEACE lett belőle. Elkerülhetetlen volt, hogy egy ilyen alkalom, lehetőség fel ne bukkanjon idővel, és igazából nem hibáztathattok, hogy az alkalmat megragadva megpróbáljuk visszaszerezni azt a grain nyersanyagot, amire oly nagy szükségünk van és amit ti megtagadtatok… csak úgy? Érdektelenségből? Kárörömmel? Igen, lehetett volna béke köztünk. Sokan dolgoztak ezen a határ mindkét oldalán, sokan és keményen. De valódi békét nem lehet kötni egy nyitott seb fölött. Megpróbáltuk… de amint jött egy lehetőség, a békecsinálás hónapjai elszálltak a szélbe. És ezt a lehetőséget ti adtátok.
Éltünk a lehetőséggel. Még sikerülhetett is volna, ha nincsenek a szerver problémák – amelyek még mindig vannak mellesleg. De mindegy is, hiszen ez már ma a múlt, és van egy jelen előttünk. Béke helyett háború. Így hozta az élet. És egy személyes üzenet: tegnap kemény szavakat használtam, és ezért elnézést kérek. Nem szabadott volna hagynom, hogy az érzelmek elragadjanak; még mint ellenfelek is embernek kell maradnunk egymáshoz, mert ezzel magunknak tartozunk. Végülis ez csak egy játék.
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Comments
First of all blaiming the server is a BIIIG lie!
Problems with the server began only after we retreated from your region and started the others.
You can blaim your president lack of activity or anything else, we just coordinated very well and started the battles in Russia and got all the regions.
Second... you broke a pact, even it it wasn't on the forums all romanians and hungarians were aware of it and all of us know that it's not on the forums just because of the admins.
Even more... threatening us isn't doing you any good, you are not in the position to threaten us, everything was calculated.
Yes my friend, it's a game.
And even in a virtual reality we can make mistakes. And we can pay for them.
Me and Alex Craciun worked hard for a peace with Hungary. Not for Romania! Many of us ASKED INSISTENT to delete Hungary from the map.
We managed not to do this. And we were discussing even to give you, in time, some regions.
So... instead of diplomacy and better relations with Romania, you decided to fight! In this case... I can tell you that this was the wrong decision!
Sorry...
Quick:
"Soha ne kérj elnézést érzelmeid kimutatásáért,ha azt teszed,az olyan,mintha az igazságért kérnél elnézést"
You never apologize for showing your feelings and emotions.
If you do this,it's like you apologize for tell the truth.
Gabriel Marquez
Quicksilver you speak so well. You are complaining in previous article about servers, the servers was not working also for romanians. But now the servers are working and we wait you and your alies on the batlefield.
Before you had peace now you have PEACE.
Nem fogok ilyen szöröstalpuakkal beszélni ezért írom magyarul : Mikor leálltak a szerverek Oroszország még létezett miután már használhatobb lett az eRep Oroszország már nem létezett. A románok meg se probáltak velünk igazi elfogadhato békét kötni. Az Indonézek minden féle bug miatt nem tudnak ide jönni, a szerver rosszalkodik.. Nekem ez furcsa.
Alex Craciun, the_mihai: I do know, I worked for peace too. I tried to show you the other side of it as it is now. Take it or leave it - it is there. What happened cannot be retraced, I know. It was not my intention, just to show you our view. But you see the 'might in time give back some regions' is exactly what I am talking about. Simply put we needed high grain far more than you needed high oil. So... putting out the peace ad infinitum and talking like you talk now was inviting us to take the one chance that we could.
Marginaldefeat: I am human enough to show emotions - but brave enough to say so if I was wrong.
On a lighter note; I think I just made a catchphrase 🙂
You say you wanted peace and now you got PEACE.
Robius: it is still the servers acting up here in Hungary... maybe just for us, what do you think?
Quicksilver:
You are completely right🙂
But I think it's no need to admit if we were wrong,I we were no wrong,and you were right.
And that's another thing what Silent wrote.
The bug is still here I am still not able to go home,because it's impossible to quit from the party in Indonesia,I am receiving an error message...
Indonesian friends got the same.
Shame on you Romanians.
Zoli that's what I also (and I think nearly everyone in HUngary) want.
No more.
Yeah,we will help our allies of course,but personally I have no problem at all with Romania,and never want a war against them.
Just they need to give us our regions.
Now if they really wanted to do it,this is the opportunity.
El kell fogadni,hogy Ők csinálták ezt a játékot és akkor csalnak amikor csak akarnak.
@Alex Craciun, the_mihai, dsalageanu, smif
I know you made a great effort to make peace with Hungary. I personally support a peacefull settlement between these 2 countries, but due to the lack of involvement from the admins. Thanks for your effort to sign the peace treaty.
I want peace between these two countries hich are so close to my hearth. I hope that Hungary will regain its territories and that they will never be at war.
Quicksilver, I will try to give you a very cool-headed response (yes, matters are different in morning light):
1. Yes, I understand the window of opportunity very well. It was well played, although it came pretty late. It's ok 🙂
2. We didn't stalled the peace, the admins did. We had every interest to close the western front. Your attack was the biggest risk of our entire Russian operation and we were aware of it. Luckily it came too late (but it was very, very close), we would have gladly started the Russian campaign with a secured western front.
3. Although brilliant on short term, your idea is very unsustainable on the long term. We have the resources you need, you have diplomatic channels open with us AND, very important, we don't need the fuss in Hungary on the long term.
What you failed to understand is that Romania, although tricky, manipulative, subversive, blabla, whatever you would like to call us is first of all PRAGMATIC. The mimes when we had to win wars in order to demonstrate our power are long gone. Everybody knows our strength, we don't have to prove anything any more. Focus your diplomacy on that 🙂
Dsalageanu :
I know you wanted peace I know,and you might have gave us some regions back.
I supported you,and many of us from HUngary.
But unfortunately it was not you who won.
I know ROmania's strenght you are right.
I don't think if there is ANYBODY in Hungary who would like to attack Romania in the future,if we will get back our regions.
dsalageanu: If you are pragmatic then you have to accept that every single evidence points to admins (or gods, servers, chance or karma) being heavily on yur side. It is a fact that we cannot change in the game, but we are sure not happy with it. Never will. Also if you are pragmatic you can still easily close down the western front and be done with it. If you really don't need to prove your might in battles that is. 🙂
Quicksilver, I personally think that the stunt you guys pulled yesterday was a good choice for you ( on the short term ) I can't say what will be the consequences on the long run, but i have just one curiosity: why did you open just one region ? If I was the hungarian president and I knew that Romania will have to capture Russia by ALL MEANS before the russian president was kicked out of office I would have oppened all the regions that were possible. Honest now, I can't find a reason why you guys limited yourselves to just one region. Maybe you can provide me with an answer. Cheers !
@Quicksilver: In a pragmatic discussion, you have to understand that the territories you attack now are ROMANIAN territories. We made investments in that territories (GOLD, people, companies and so on).
If you want your territories BY FORCE, you will fail even if we gonna fight one year from now on. 😉
If your president will choose this option, soon Hungary will collapse. I will not give you the reasons, you seem a smart guy, you will realize by yourself. 😉
we have to admit that Hungary made a pretty good move.
they got back a high grain region and they secured it using the MPP-s
romania will probably not attack that region for now, it is not cost effective.
you might lose the 2 former Slovak regions where your MPP will not trigger. But Hungary needs to see the global picture: Romania is bigger, has access to more resources, and the regular Joe is pretty pissed off by the Hungarian move.
This will bring animosity. We have ultra nationalists who will use this as an excuse to push the government to wipe out Hungary. I personally dont want that, but the diplomacy ball is in your court.
I urge you to consider the situation and take the appropriate steps.
dragunov87: I have no idea. I am not in the government, I am just a simple player, a journalist if you will, albeit a well-known one.
the_mihai: a matter of perspective. For us those are our territories and no ammount of investment can or will change that. On this point even I, the most accomodating and understanding of Hungarian people will never agree with you. I well know that Romania is far stronger than us, yes. We did not open those battles to regain our regions, I thought you understood it from our explanations. But once they are on, we will fight for them - I can be pragmatic too. Even if on the end of that road I see only doom. Hell, after all we have to die for something and a homeland is I think is one of the best options. Forgive me, I am again waxing philosophical...
dragunov87:
U asked us why we attacked just 1 regions instead of four.
That's simple.
We had just a few minutes to decide and we made a mistake.
We would have been some more minutes,but you know what happened...
A nice bug/cheat serwer was down.
So we tried just only 3 minutes later,but was too late.
@ghisae: it's just medium, not high. 😉
@Quicksilver: you just opened those two other regions because you thought we will do the same with the first one, even the vicepresident of PEACE thought so, we moved fast, coordinated well, so all you did is just that you gave a good reason to all the guys in Romania to want you erased off the map. Probably it will not happen, but believe me, I had a lot of pressure on me back in time to wipe you out, I worked well with Adam and the frozen war as the result of our work, but now that pressure will increase.
Getting back to the attitude that your two presidents before Adam had in the negotiations with me... it will do you no good.
@Marginaldefeat: again this is a lie, you had one whole hour to bring up a full attack, you didn't because you did not expect on our move.
Servers went down just when our guy in Russia started to push retreat on those 3 regions, so I guess admins eyes are looking at Russia for what might have been a hacker attack yesterday, russians are pretty good at that.
Alex Craciun sorry to say that,but lying it's not my habit.
I saw lies today only from Romanians like Victor and Sebahmah.
We might had an hour,I knew that was 5min.
Maybe I didn't know that well.
Ghishae just try to eliminate us if you like.
You are MUCH STRONGER than us,but you know what will happen if you wipe Hungary from the map right?
DO you really want 1500 member of minority?
We need just a few member in Romanian Congress in this case to completely destroy your economy.
Anyway a president is not allowed to resign the last region or a capital,but that was exactly happened in Russia yesterday.
And Indonesians can't go to help us because of another bug/cheat.
They are not able to resign from their party so do I.
BIG SHAME ON YOU ROMANIA🙁🙁🙁
U can't even play a fair play.
marginal: you had an hour from the time you opened the first region until the moment we retreated. We were all expecting for you to open more regions and our president was not online. We had a little panic moment 🙂
as i said the romanian goverment and myself are not keen to wipe out hungary. but your current actions are pushing us in that direction.
btw the chinese president resigned the capital a day before. I have no clue from where you get your info.
You can blame it all you want on bugs, this is only cheap propaganda. The high ranking officials of Peace are aware of the true, and as we bowed before to peace for the French campaign, they are fairplay enough to admit the strategy was brilliant.
@Marginal: if you just know things... try to verify those things, but do this before presenting those things like the truth.
This is exactly the bad attitude that I was talking about at the presidents before Adam, to be honest I admired Adam for how he handled things compared to the guys before him.
And about the last region... please show me where is this in the rules or at least on wiki, it was done before and it will be done from now on also.
I don't know if you were in the game when admins stopped us from getting you off the map by stopping the war, so please stop calling them our friends, their interest is just in the money.
From the moment Hungary opened the first region passed at least half an hour (not 2-3 minutes) and the server was working properly, let's be honest here ! I think you didn't consider the posibility of us retreating from that region, that's all.
And another thing, ghishae, the region Hungary got yesterday has a medium productivity for grain, not a high one - check the map 😉
Nor the crappy eRepublik bugs.
Alex Craciun: I am honored that you think so much of me, but truly I am not in a habit of talking to PEACE strategy-makers. 🙂
Many of us at the time were trying to find out what was going on and who would make what move - but we were not privy to all decisions, they mostly happened in other places than our well-known chatroom.
I repeat, we did have server problems at the time... and I never lie without a very good reason and now there is no need for it. As I said many times if not the admins, then the servers themselves seem to favorize you. Like now when nobody can come home, or allies to help us, because of a bug that is not letting them resign their party first. Last night we saw Romanians building the wall while we were unable to log in at all. So servers do behave differently for you and for us.
About attitudes... again I am not privy to our president's intentions or moves. But since now you want to wipe out Hungary (I do read your newspapers, Google translate is good enough to understand at least), we really have one avenue of option - PEACE. My efforts here are not official, they are just people trying to understand and make others understand each other.
"I never lie without a very good reason" 😁))))
+1000 for the honesty. really 🙂
Dsalageanu you are right.
We could take 4 regions instead of one,we missed that.
Do you know what's annoying me?
Just the takeovers.
I like to defeat enemy,but only with fair play.
It's s sad thing that is only our opinion🙁
Yes,I don't know how many times we had exactly to attack,maybe not just 3 min,but not an hour I m sure.
Max 10 min and the serwers were down in Hungary.
Maybe in Romania just 1 hour later,but we knows Lands os Admins very well🙁🙁🙁
Marginaldefeat: it is your right and privilege to agree or not agree with our methods. I'm not arguing that. But, if you can have peace and do business with Iran (who are using the same methods as we do), you could do it with us to.
dsalageanu: "But, nevertheless, in eR I live in f*****g Podolia, because it has a Q5 Hospital, although I couldn't identify it on a map even if it would pull my sleeve."
When you say thing like these, it is that I like you the most. 🙂
Sorry, quasy-diplomacy ON
About your option; we tried in the near past to open grain industries in the Szeged region, as you probably well know. Neither Hungarians nor Romanians wanted to work there, so the project I think is just not feasible - and it gets less and less by the moment. A similar solution in Norway is feasible and we are doing just that - but pragmatic being what you are, you cannot ignore the feelings of a 1000+ people. It is psychological, you see? No matter how hard adam or you or Alex or smif or Zoli or whomever tries to make peace if it is you _only_ being pragmatic. Because two is needed for any solution. Your pragmatism have to be met with something different for in this matter we just do not have it.
@Quicksilver: you are just reading between the lines, I stated very clear that there was pressure on me to conquer all Hungary, still I did not do that, probably that pressure will be also on our new president, so it doesn't mean that if people ask the president to do that... he will immediately do it, presidents are presidents and for that they should know better.
@Marginal: now you're playing the game of fair-play, what about Hungary not respecting the treaty that wasn't signed just because of the admins? Was this fair-play?
@Marginaldefeat: there are a lot of Hungarians living in RL in Romania, Zoli for instance, ask him if he could access the servers.
dsalageanu: "+1000 for the honesty. really 🙂"
Will you pull it down from the wall for me? 🙂
Quicksilver, I have personally donated money to Grain Alliance and it didn't work because the war was on. Nevertheless, there are always more solutions to a problem than we can identify, we just have to dig for the right one.
Baieti mai bine nu scrieti nimic, ca iar ati fost favorizati de admini, ca si alta data.
Mai da-l in p..a mea de fair play.
Aseara am avut connetion timed out de la joc, si astazi niciun indonezian nu poate sa treaca granita ca demisia din partid are bug...
Asa, mai bine nici nu vorbiti despre strategii si idei mareti, ca orice ati face, tot voi iesiti invigatori, pana cand aveti admini corrupti in spatele vostru care se joaca de-a Dumnezeu, in favoare voastra...
Si acum astept bannul ca am avut curajul sa critic, necontand ca in fiecare saptamana bag 60Euro in jocul asta...
@Netkknight2: si atunci cand n-am cucerit Budapesta din cauza bugurilor... tot in favoarea noastra se jucau adminii? Si atunci cand razboiu' a fost oprit, oprindu-ne astfel pe noi sa cucerim intreaga Ungarie... tot in favoarea noastra se jucau adminii?
Bugurile sunt pentru toti, ar fi bine sa accepti asta.
@NetKnight2: nimeni n-a avut aseara acces la server, asta incerc sa le explic si astora. Daca vrei, facem o lista cu bug-uri care ne-au defavorizat pe noi, vrei? Incepand cu faza cu damage-ul in RW-ul din Northern, cand se punea damage-ul nostru de partea cealalta. Stii ce ne-au raspuns adminii? Un fel de "sictir, nu e nici un bug, ati apasat voi aiurea butoanele". Jocul mai are MULT pana sa functioneze Ok, crede-ma, si daca nu deschideau astia regiunile azi, Indonezienii probabil tot nu ar fi putut demisiona din partid.
Alex voi aveti tot respectul meu, cum am mai zis asta si in alte ziare, cand locuiam in eRomania. Am si votat in eRomania. Nu am zis ca voi personal santeti de vina, ci adminii care ar trebui sa fie impartiali. Eu unu pot sa accept ca aseara n-a mers jocul, totmai cand am lansat atacul(cu care n-am fost de acord personal, favorizand diplomatia), dar nu pot sa accept ca bug, sa nu mearga astazi Resign-ul pentru Indonesia, si numai pentru ei! Stiu sigur asta ca am intrebat si altii, si personal m-am mutat astazi in Ungaria, ceace inseamna ca mi-am dat tot astazi demisia din PL...
Alex Craciun: I have read smif's article and its comments. I have heard enough about you from adam and others too, to know that you were supporting the peace. Eventually... I guess we were just not good enough in being patient for so long...
dsalageanu: so the problem prepetuates itself and resists solution. Frankly I am fresh out of ideas. I will go and hit that d@mn wall, and then have lunch.
Knight: It helps not to say things like that; it is a fact of the game. We cannot change that.
Nu a fost bug aseara, a fost un flood DDOS de la rusi (parerea mea), care incercau probabil sa ne blocheze toate optiunile pana trecea impeachment-ul.
I am crazy but not stupid, cum spune americanul...🙂
@Dsalageanu nu e imposibil optiunea asta, din pacate... :/
@NetKnight2: serverul a picat la o ora si ceva dupa atacul Ungariei, intreaba pe oricine si daca esti interesat de adevar ai sa afli ca asa e. A picat exact atunci cand presedintele din Rusia a inceput sa dea retreat, crede-ma ca stiu ce spun, dupa primul retreat site-ul a inceput sa dea rateuri, eu cred si acum ca a fost atacat de rusi, pentru a impiedica al doilea retreat, retreat pe regiunea ce se incheia aseara, dar asta e alta discutie.
Te cred Alex, si eu am fost ON, ca urlam ca prostul ca ma simt in teatru de papusi, unde Ungaria e papusa si PEACE e papusarul.
Alex Craciun:
That was only a caasefire,that was US who wanted a peace for 2 months,it was not our fault that haven't happened.
Although my Romanian is getting better all the time (I almost understand now every tenth or so word), I would really like if you tried to talk in English. 🙂
@Marginal: No, it was a contract for peace, the admins made us a lot of problems with that contract, still it was approved by both presidents, that is only if we talk about fair-play, not more, if you say that it's not fair-play to do a takeover, you should also admit that it's not fair-play to brake a deal.
@dsalageanu
Please give me again the password to the server. It seems I forgot it. You gave it to me last time, so please help me again.