A Golden Opportunity and The Great Debate
Joe DaSmoe
Good Evening,
Every since I have entered Congress, I have argued import taxes. Many dismiss my viewpoints out of hand, others are uncertain, alot of Congress simply seems to have no opinion at all, many simply stating "economics aren't my thing" I have argued for 3 months now about them in Congress, I still feel it is the right course of action and and here is why.
First of all, I am a manufacturing company owner. I have witnessed first hand company after company dry up and go under. This is a problem for America. Many of my opponents on this issue believe this to be a good thing, since we do in fact have an extreme amount of companies in America. I disagree. I feel the ability for these companies to turn profit is beneficial to the financial well being of our Country.
Many proponents of the low import tax structure point to the fact that cheap goods are essential for America's ability to do damage in battle, and they are right. (although this mostly applies to the weapons, iron, and gifts industries)
My counter argument to that is this. WE have a huge amount of American ran companies, more than enough domestic competition to ensure prices will remain at acceptable levels. The problem is, the majority of American companies are barely able to turn a profit in our market. Why? Well, our markets are flooded with the overstock of foreign companies. In many cases, these foreign corporations are able to produce goods cheaper than the US, due to their country's wage levels and often lower currency value. They produce goods cheaper, and sell them here cheaper, undercutting American GM's and creating an environment that is difficult at best to turn a profit in.
As a result of demand drops and oversupply(worsened by foreign presence in the market), our wages plummeted. A few weeks ago however, the admin introduced a new hospital rule. The new rule changed hospital usage, only allowing a citizen to be able to recover the wellness lost in that particular day's battle. No longer can someone fight once and heal to 100 wellness. Resulting from this, our markets have recovered a bit and wages have returned to decent levels. Citizens must actually buy products to maintain their wellness now, namely food, gifts and housing. Our market is in recovery.
Then a new twist was added. The ERX Stock exchange. The first fully functional, easy to use international stock market. A truly amazing introduction the the game we play.
The introduction of the ERX changes things, drastically. Several American corporations have been able to upgrade by taking their companies public, as opposed to going into debt by taking out a loan. The ability to take your company public is a golden opportunity for American businessmen. We need to encourage it, and not continue to allow foreign corporations to become stronger by raping our markets.
We have done the extremely low import tax thing for almost 6 months, yet WE NEVER have the lowest prices internationally. It simply doesn't work the way some seem to think it does. All it serves to do is provide a nearly tax free dumping ground for foreign overstock. It takes wealth out of our hands and places it foreign corporations. They grow, American companies die off. WE ARE THE ONLY LARGE COUNTRY IN THE eWORLD who allows our markets to be flooded, yet we never have the lowest prices.
We do have more than enough domestic companies, but that is a moot point. In a protected market, it becomes survival of the fittest, and the competition between American GM's is more than enough to drive prices down. The good businessmen will stay afloat, upgrade, provide good paying jobs in America and keep money in America.
My opponents on this issue point out that the problem is not only too many American companies, its is also a lack of labor force.
Which raises another point. Wages have finally recovered, the admin fix worked. So we should see higher skill workers coming to the US. I know of a few that have returned. I'm sure more have and more will in the near future. Some people follow the money.
Also, if companies are actually able to profit, they will be able to give raises and keep peeps interested.
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So, the problem of not enough workers is a fixable one. It's fixed by allowing American comps to become profitable and drawing workers from abroad. The prospect of adding to our population total is yet another reason to do this. If we set up a system that draws workers to the US, its a two fold benefit. Our population increases, our production increases, setting up a market driven by domestic competition, not relying on imports. It keeps money in America, it makes our citizens wealthier, IT will benefit us as a nation.
If we can grow our companies, upgrade them and build capital, we will be better positioned for the V2 transfer. The ERX provides the means to do this and protecting our markets will allow our companies to flourish and upgrade, which will drive down prices for higher quality goods over time. Taking your company public is a viable option for those who want to upgrade their companies.
The key is time. At first it is true we would see a rise in prices in some sectors of our economy. I have been told that thinking long term is a stupid idea, considering the arrival of eRepublik V2 will bring some significant changes in the economy. I believe its is great idea, I mean what exactly is "long term" in eRepublik? A lot can and does change on a monthly, sometimes weekly basis. Encouraging the growth of our American corporations will leave us better suited for the V2 transition.
As Senator from Illinois and a budget and finance committee member, I will be bring my argument for import raise before your Congress once again. I will face entrenched opposition, but I feel this is a battle we can win.
With the introduction of the ERX, the new hospital rule and a recovering economy, we have a GOLDEN OPPORTUNIY. American GM's can go public, build capital and upgrade. WE have a decision to make here, it will affect the economic success of our country.
Lets get this done. Let's stop sending money OUT of our economy!
Notable links,
The ERX Stock Exchange I highly encourage GM's to take their companies public, grow them, upgrade and make America's economy stronger.
Top 10 Countries by population
US Tax levels
Poland's taxes
Serbia's taxes
Brazil's taxes
Spain's taxes
Russia's taxes
Hungary's taxes
Indonesia's taxes
Romania's taxes
Croatia's taxes.
Notice how out of the top 10 counties 8 of 10 have high import taxes?
Thank you for your time, sorry if it's a bit long XD
Joe Dasmoe, Senator of Illinois.
*I will release a detailed proposal to the Congress and the American people soon, stay tuned!
Comments
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We're at 100% employment, we can't "grow America" if there's too many companies than jobs.
Did you even read the article Woxan? By encouraging prosperity in America, people will come to work here, noobs will make more money and have a better chance of sticking around.
You just reiterate the same tired old, we have too many companies argument.
In short, no. You've heard the arguments a hundred and one times. Import taxes do more harm than good for our economy.
I'm not sure if this article has been written by Joe...there isn't any american flag neither "GO AMERICA" or "COME GET SOME".
A chance for Congress to raise taxes and they say no? WTF!
If you do a quick glance through other countries stats you can see that the United States of America has some of the highest taxes around(on their own citizens of course,yet some of the lowest import). If we have so many companies and plenty of workers than why can we not produce enough items to not have to import so much?
I agree. Raise import taxes.
oh boy this tired old argument again.
@vash its not that we cant produce enough, its at what price can we purchase goods
ERX does change things for business owners, definitely, but it doesn't change the underlying mathematics of how taxes work in the game. High import taxes inflate prices and wages and cost GMs money in the international materials markets. Protecting our markets would not make them more profitable, it will only make our alliance weaker by forcing people to work in less efficient companies here and abroad.
Voted. We should have low import taxes on diamonds, the only high resource we don't have, that's it.
AGREED!
voted,
Our current import taxes are terrible for our economy.
I agree. we should moderately raise import taxes.
Voted, can't really go either way since I was never good with economy stuff but if this is true why not? I've heard this argument many times and every time it goes nowhere and I'd really like to see this at least be tried.
math > rhetoric.
I agree that import taxes should be raised, plus it is strange that the one monopoly (Hospitals and Defense Systems)in eAmerica has a 99% import tax. 7 out 10 of those countries have an 80% or higher import tax. Makes me wonder if we aren't helping to support these countries by allowing them to dump product on our market.
Choc-
LOGIC > MATH BASED UPON ASSUMED NUMBERS
which is exactly what they calculate the supposed benefit on.
All of economics is based on assumptions. However, I would prefer a mathematically based argument based on reasonable numbers than this massive clump of pro-business owner (<10% of the population) rhetoric. And yes, I ran was a business owner and managed to run 3 of them quite profitably and have always stood strong that the current system is best for America.
And by logic, do you mean absolutely ridiculous statements like "In a protected market, it becomes survival of the fittest,".
Protip: That statement is entirely wrong with no redeeming value.
Haha, Protip? 😛
It does become survival of the fittest bud. Those who can operate successfully amongst massive domestic competition survive. How do you find that "illogical"
Are other countries dumping products on our market? Or are they offering us low prices on the goods we purchase? Look at both sides of the coin before you decide eAmerica.
Essentially this is the Walmart problem. They don't pay their people well and drive out competitors who do pay their people well, but they offer the community low priced goods so they can survive when they are not paid well.
"@vash its not that we cant produce enough, its at what price can we purchase goods"
Wait a minute. If many of the other countries have high import and low vat/income taxes(the opposite of the U.S.A) and they are the ones selling to us(they sell cheaper because they can make them cheaper) than how does doing what they are doing bad? They have high import and low income/VAT taxes and we have low import and high income/VAT taxes and they have cheaper goods while ours are more pricy. Please tell me there are other factors because right now you seem mad.
Agreed on Import taxes. I've been saying the same thing
low import ftw.
I'm not sure about raising import taxes (when I look at products I don't see to many foreign companies selling guns or MTs) but the fact that we have not tried it, makes me inclined to try it
If you're running on the assumption that people think free trade is the same thing as low import taxes, then your arguments are 100% valid because we have a wide open system that is a market for nations with closed systems. However, low import taxes 😕= free trade. Free trade will work when our trading partners (nations we export to) ALSO have low import taxes and we protect the system with the embargo for nations that have prohibitive import taxes that make it impossible for us to export. eRepublik is a game that requires cooperation among different nations and isolationism (militarily, socially or economically) does not foster cooperation.
Despite using these arguments which have nothing to do with ERX, the ERX IS a good opportunity for business owners to upgrade and stay profitable.
Not this again. Didn't we just raise the import tax some weeks back? Say it ain't so Joe.....say it ain't so.
boat & sub
i support Joe Dasmoe and higher import taxs!
"Notice how out of the top 10 counties 8 of 10 have high import taxes?"
Indeed. Hear hear, I have always agreed with your economic mindset, Joe. I hope that one day you can get into a position to help bring your tax policies into effect, and get rid of the nonsense that is currently in place. We've been trying it their way for a very long time, now, and it's resulted only in several economic downturns. It's time they give it a rest and try something else.
>Notice how out of the top 10 counties 8 of 10 have high import taxes?
How does this statement a) advance your argument or b) relate to anything?
Publius,
It relates because it shows how the top countries in the world PROTECT their markets, it also shows how many are able to dump their excess stock into America, yet we cannot export anywhere without facing high tariffs.
This whole low import nonsense was pushed through our Congress several months ago, under the guise of "free trade." Except the funny thing is we took our imports to the basement and our allies (who were supposed to be on board) remained with protectionist tariffs.
So my statement does relate bud. "Free Trade" is nonexistent. WE cannot export to any major country without stiff taxes, yet they can all dump here and remove wealth form America.
WHY DO YOU ALL ACT LIKE IT IS SO HARD TO SEE?
I am from australia, but I would like the American economy rised as i am thinking about becoming a American Citezen. So I Agree that import taxes should be rased too.
Lets raise the import tax1!!!
Agree completely about raising import taxes leading to more profitable domestic companies which leads to increased wages which leads to increased population. Lots of active people move depending on wages. Active population > anything else.
The problem has always been that most of congress is too dumb about economics to come up with their own decision about what is best so they just listen to the "experts" who love having low import taxes.
TaKunCat,
OF COURSE DIAMONDS ARE THE EXCEPTION, we cannot produce them here at home.
You speak of "only hurting our allies"
TAKE A LOOK AT OUR ALLIES IMPORT TAX LEVELS, THEY SURE AREN'T DOING OUR BUSINESSES ANY FAVORS NOW ARE THEY?
All I see here is the same old arguments. It won't work Joe, it will hurt our economy Joe, funny thing is, that's all BS and you all know it. How can you be so certain it will hurt our country when we have never tried it.
Seems to work well for all the other major powers in this game, they keep their tariffs jacked up so we can't sell our products there, then they turn around and dump their products into our market, pulling wealth out of the hands of American citizens.
But hey! Its all good right? After all no one chases wages, why no one would ever leave the US to make more money, no, no way.
Give me a break from this foolish dogmatic belief that we know better then the rest of world, that our supposed "experts" are actually experts, and money leaving American hands if good for our country.
That train of thought is backwards.
well written. +1 v
I run successful businesses in spite of low import taxes.
Low import taxes are important, as we can't produce everything we need for a big day of battle.
It is interesting to see how low eRussia's taxes are in relation to eUSA. If low import duties are a problem, eRussia should be really hurting. Joe is right, most of these other countries have very high protectionist tariffs. You cannot enjoy the benefits of free trade if you hold the currency to a fixed rate and run a long term trade deficit - which is what is happening now. Yes, goods are cheaper, but capital is flowing out of the country, which means your stock market will become dominated by foreign investors. All this leads to instability and the kind of painful restructuring that we have just experienced.
eRussia has low vat and income taxes as well so their citizens are somewhat close to being on an equal footing with foreigners. Free trade-international trade free from government interference, especially trade free from tariffs or duties on imports. "Free from goverment interference" how can we have that with some of the highest taxes around,state run companies, and two entire markets monopolized via goverment?
Very well written and informative, especially being a newcomer to the eUSA and eRepublik