A Constitution
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by Igor Thunderbrow
Daoine na hÉireann,
If the recent furore over eIrish Accession into the ESA has highlighted anything it is that we need a constitution.
Now we do have a constitution that was widely supported by the Dáil and put before the admins. The admins rejected it and therefore it is not enforceable in game. Whether it is in effect however is debateable. I would say it is while many including the president do not recognise it and they have legitimate reasons if I am to be honest.
I believe that any democracy needs a constitution and any eRepublik Government that goes beyond the narrow limitations of the game ie having more political appointments than president and congressmen, needs a more detailed constitution than the basic eRepublik one that relates specifically to the nation in question.
1) It gives a nation an identity. We are Ireland and this, our constitution, is what we believe in.
2) It gives a set of rules for international agreements and policies being implemented which would prevent dispute like the ESA accession debacle from getting us all at eachothers throats.
This is the constitution as stands:
http://wiki.erepublik.com/index.php/Constitution_of_Ireland
We must get beyond party politics and unite to get a constitution in place.
Using this as a basis would be best and we can make changes as needs be or if it is felt to be better we can start from scratch.
Anyway I will be pushing for a constitution to be put before the Dáil for ratification soon but would like input from the public before trying to get it passed, again, by congress or preferrably by referendum if the President is agreeable to it.
I think that most people would agree that this is a necessary step and I would also like to point out that the constitution is in no way my work. Correct me if I'm wrong but I believe that the credit is due to Michael Collins.
Anyway, what do the people think?
Go raibh míle maith agaibh go léir,
Igor Thunderbrow
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Theus, give us a vote!
Exercise your democratic right and push for a referendum.
If you support the need for a referendum on our accession into the ESA then please fill out this petition:
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Why did the admins reject it?
@Mac: Why do the admins do anything? 😃
I don't think that they replied. It was a while ago...
I think it was mostly because of the article saying that Congress would become known as Dáil Éirienn if the constitution passed. This clashed with the congressional system we have
I agree with you Igor we need something to stand behind. Ireland traditionally has a long history of being in a constitutional system(Ireland has been in some system for about 2.5 thousand years). Brehon Laws for example was the main idea used for the U.S., French,UK, and other nations legal systems in the past.
Wasn't Ireland the first country to make a constitution??
"I think it was mostly because of the article saying that Congress would become known as Dáil Éirienn if the constitution passed. This clashed with the congressional system we have"
First of all....who are you? Could you post as yourself rather than an org? Second...that makes no sense. We cannot actually change the system to a parliamentary one, its just a name!
I think this should be pressed with the admins to insist on specifics. It should not just be "oh well, that's the admins for you". If they do not respond to us, then it needs to be pressed, in public on the main forum.....loudly and often.
@pdiddy: So I thought and so I still believe. However whether it still applies is apparently debatable and Theus has stated clearly on the IRC that he does not recognise it.
This needs proper ratification so that the President must recognise it and the Government must abide by it.
There can be no ambiguity about this.
@Mac: I agree but it was a long time ago and there may have been public uproar I honestly cannot remember. What is important is that it is implemented on a governmental level. Whether the admins recognise and/or enforce it is only secondary.
When the constitution gets ratified and implemented by the Dáil then we should push the admins again but get it done here first.
Well it was passed whenever it was written, so I don't see how it can just be decided its not in effect anymore. Anyone can propose to add to it or revise it, but no one can just get rid of it.
Unless your theus🙂.
Our congress never ratified the constitution. I have searched all the old threads and on our old forums as well.
The only vote that ever took place was to send to constitution to the admins as the first step to ratifying it. The admins replied about a month later saying that they were going to do something new with consitutions. We never took it further after that.
huh, I always thought we had a constitution in place. oh well.
Nice constitution. Someone should translate it into Irish as Irish is indicated to be a language of the state 🙂 I could (and have a copy of the rl constitution to help me) but my Irish is far from perfect...
I don't think the Supreme Court would work without it being built into the mechanics of eRepublik and I doubht the admins would ever approve it.
"I believe that any democracy needs a constitution" - I disagree. A constitution is more legislative loop holes to jump through. The eUK and RL UK has no constitution, they don't need it due the amount of old statute laws that make it up.
@Celtic: That argument doesn't stand up here. We have no old statute laws.
Also who are you?
@Severin: Perhaps we should remove that section? If a solution to that problem is found it can be added through constitutional amendment at a later point.
"There are three countries which do not currently have a written constitution. They are the United Kingdom, New Zealand, and Israel." - They're democracies and Israel certainly has no old statute laws in RL if it was formed in 1948. Ireland has lots of old laws too still in effect before they declared independence.
Fact of the matter is, if you've already passed lots and lots of laws in
eIreland, there is simply no point in adding a constitution, especially if it's not going to be upheld. It means you have to check ALL the laws. This is the primary reason the eUK's constitution was rejected, it's not needed and it means going through our hundreds of laws.
If you want to know who I am, ask Collins. I live in the eUK.
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lmao or you could just tell us who you are...
We actually have passed no laws...
i think we need a constitution that means the govt have to have some set of rules to go by and not be able to do everything without asking the people... just look now at the ESA crisis that people are looking for a referendum
I have to agree with Thomas, we may want to look into approving this constitution or a new one, even if admins don't, atleast it will be a guideline for these kind of events.
yes its a good vision for the future as a consititution could set guildlines for state industries and the economey
Celtic bank
"There are three countries which do not currently have a written constitution. They are the United Kingdom, New Zealand, and Israel." - They're democracies and Israel certainly has no old statute laws in RL if it was formed in 1948. Ireland has lots of old laws too still in effect before they declared independence."
Israel isn't a democracy because its has lot of Jim Crows laws that made 55% of it citizens not able to vote or afraid to vote. Tons of human rufrees in Jordan, Lebanon, and Egypt that are afraid to go home as Israel has threaten to shoot there citizens cause of there religion.
UK isn't a democracy as its a constitutional monarchy, a lot of the UK constitution is written.
New Zealand has the Constitution Act 1986
@Celtic Bank. Not exactly right, RL UK don't have a constitution because they have a monarchy and Henry's "Act of Supremacy" thingy, which merges the state and religion in a glorious dog's dinner.
I have no problem having a new constitution being drawn up and being forwarded to the admins. However, the draft in question isn't recognised due to it being rejected.
@Theus: Rejected by the admins and rejected by you...
I voted in favour of the draft, but my main concern is that the version in question was drawn up in BETA. I would like to do a new one as we need to include some new things in it.
or we could pass the current one and then amend it.
But whats the point if we're going to change it anyway?
I am not talking about getting the admins to recognise a constitution Theus. What they think of it is irrelevant. We need a constitution recognised officially by the Dáil.
But for it to be recognised it needs to be improved by the admins Igor, this is the system that every nation who have passed a constituion has used and it is standard.
I don't care about the UK, New Zealand, or Israel...I live in eIreland and I think eIreland needs a Constitution. We certainly can't have people in power who simply say, "I don't recognize the Constitution." If we had something in place, we would certainly have the right to bring forward an impeachment if such a sacred document were ignored in the future.
No it does not need to be approved by the admins theus. It will set guidelines for all future actions and if the president in a case breaks the constitution that would be reason for an impeachment.
Look Pdiddy, I would love to be able pass the constitution without Admin approval, it would make my day so much easier. But, I cant, because thats just the way I have to do it.
I know i may not be influential in this country politics, but i propose a parliamentary government.... or is it to late for that, i think a parliamentary government would run more smoothly than a constitutional government. my proof? lets compare france and america with england!!!
Igor I know where you are coming from but for a constitution to be binding in my eyes it will need both Dail and Admin approval.