[WYD] Get Off My Lawn!!! or Welcome to My Home? (Day 2143)
Addy Lawrence
THE MANDATE I SEEK
On October 5th, I will be seeking your support to build an eCanada of vision, passion, and purpose.
STATE OF THE CAMPAIGN
Opening Remarks
I want to outline my plan for dealing with the citizenship requests coming out of the eUS. Some fear it is a PTO, others claim it is the embodiment of Bromance, I really don't know what it is but I do know it is a source of vitriol and trolling and it has to stop.
Let me tell you a related story about eIndia...
In 2012, the MU United Aggression attempted to relocate to eIndia. I was part of the MU that attempted this.
We were based in eUS but the eUS government was drifting further and further away from pro-EDEN and it was creating problems with our pro-EDEN MU as we were actively trying to support EDEN activities.
The situation came to a head and we set a goal to relocate the MU to an english speaking country that was EDEN friendly and willing to take in 20 to 30 heavy hitters who are active in game and were interested in getting involved in politics as well. This was not a political take-over. It may have felt like one to eIndians, but it wasn't intended.
Our MU Commander, CFovetS, negotiated terms with the eIndia elites and eIndia congress supported UAgg's relocation to eIndia. It was a difficult decision for them, they were split, but in the end they approved of our arrival with conditions. The two central conditions were that our members could not run for political office for two months AND we had to make demonstrative efforts to integrate with the eIndia community.
Despite great intentions on the part of UAgg and eIndia, this was a massive failure.
UAgg did not run for political office for the two month period, so that was fine, everything else blew up though.
The first issue popped up when after two months, eIndia officials claimed that UAgg did not demonstrate a genuine effort to integrate. We disagreed, heck I disagreed strongly. I felt like I did, made friends, ran raffles, wrote articles, read wiki about RL India, I was all-in. Opponents claimed that we needed to spend more time integrating before we could run for office. I, and others, disagreed and we got involved anyways. Looking back, it was unreasonable to try and define "integrate" and it is unreasonable to hold a newcomer to that standard and it is unreasonable to expect a newcomer to understand the standard. It was not a yardstick that could be measured up to, akin to how blue is the sky? There should not have been any sort of "integration" clause at all. It isn't fair to either side of the equation.
The second issue popped up when eIndia left EDEN shortly after UAgg relocated there. Being in EDEN was a key criteria for UAgg locating there. It was also a key criteria why the politics were going to be interesting and aligned with us as we had the same allies and could help out. When eIndia left EDEN during UAgg's two month trial period we took offence to it, it took us out at the knees. UAgg did not make this a condition of us relocating there, we didn't think it would be an issue, also it would be unreasonable to expect a country to do that for an incoming MU, but at the same time it was unreasonable for a host country not to be transparent about how close they were to leaving an Alliance, particularly when this is a key reason for moving to that country.
The third issue popped up when UAgg members started getting political traction in the parties they got involved in. Other parties and political cabals at large did not approve of this and actively worked against the parties where UAgg members were getting traction, ensuring that this traction was nipped in the bud. Party switching on election days, crappy congress ballot priorities, you name it, UAgg tasted it.
At this point, things disintegrated to the point where UAgg pulled up stakes and relocated to eTurkey, where they exist today. It was an opportunity missed on both sides.
A post script here, in periods of boredom, I return to eIndia to troll their media. A scar that I will always wear. It could have been so different.
On why I am sharing this...
The mistakes made by UAgg and myself do not have to be in vain. The rash of eUS citizenship applications represent a potential opportunity, they could be a threat too, but if there is no ill will intended, why miss out on the opportunity?
If eUS truly wants to locate to eCanada for the tax haven, and it isn't a PTO, then let's deal with that squarely and learn from my eIndian experience so that we don't repeat mistakes. eCan clearly made mistakes the past 25 days on this but I think we can fix the situation, assuming of course is deserves fixing.
First, if it isn't a PTO, then there should be absolutely no reason why the eUS e
😜ats wouldn't refrain from running for elected positions. Period. There shouldn't be an issue with people staying off the congress, PP and CP ballot. If there are people with political aspirations, then that needs to be discussed up front. If there are political aspirations then there will be a natural association with a PTO and this could compromise a completely harmless project on the part of eUS expats to work in a tax haven environment. Joining a country and running for CP a week later smells like PTO. Becoming PP of a party smells like PTO. Expediting citizenship approvals in private for groups in your demographic smells like a PTO. Trolling someone because they say you smell like a PTO when you are giving off a distinct smell of PTO smells like a PTO. Just because it smells like a PTO, doesn't mean it is a PTO. Maybe DMV was just doing it wrong. If its not a PTO, don't send mixed signals and stay out of elected office. Don't bother with an "integration" clause because that is a trollfest just waiting to happen. If its not a PTO, its not a PTO, stay out of office.
Second, if eCanada truly wants to rekindle the Bromance, this is a great opportunity to welcome our friends from the South to work in eCanada. Cripes, they'll pay their work tax here and we could use the money!!! We should not frown upon a well intended eUS citizen wanting to couch surf here in eCan and enjoy the tax haven. Be a bro and collect their work taxes.
Third, the eUS expats need to know that eCan is very fickle about its tax policies. We change our minds a lot. Our tax haven may be gone in 48 hours but you will be stuck with your eCan citizenship. This is a variable that we can't control, you must accept this risk if you accept eCan citizenship.
Fourth, the eUS expats need to know that eCan is going though a decision gate on their alliance. We are trial members of CoT, but we entered CoT in a less collaborative, less patient, and less transparent way than the precedent established when we entered Asgard. The challenge for eCanada is to achieve that level of transparency and patience and collaboration during the trial period, or it could fail. Meddling in the affairs could compromise it and that would leave eUS and eCan in different alliance. Acknowledge what is at stake. eCan has other options for alliances; no alliance (neutral) and TWO/ACT are definitely two options. It may pain eUS expats to hear it, but it's legit and its how eCan works.
Fifth, and finally, both sides should commit to a quiet enjoyment clause, a live and let live clause. We can co-exist in eCanada if we respect each other's interests. We will have differences, and we can respect them, provided we both understand and respect the first four points. eCan does not want to be politically taken over, eCan wants to help out its bros, eUS-expats need to understand that the tax haven and alliance decisions are not written in stone and may change. If we proceed on that basis, with eyes wide open, aware of the risks and desires of both sides, this will work.
If this is a PTO, this will fail quickly and in epic proportions.
If this is not a PTO, then this approach will help things progress smoothly.
I did not follow the approach I have laid out here during the eIndia project. I was simply ignorant then. I will likely be trolled by eIndians for using this example and I deserve it, that is the price I have to pay for my actions. This is not a price that eCanadians and eUS Expats have to pay. Learn from my mistakes.
On moving forward with a eUS Ex-Pat Agreement...
I would like to conduct some sort of town hall meeting or national poll to get grass roots support for an eUS Ex-Pat Agreement with these five items in it. If it gets grass roots support, it would be presented to congress for ratification and then eUS citizens would be asked to swear it on their citizenship applications.
To the extent there are breaches of the agreement, immigration gates get shut down.
On rekindling the Bromance...
I don't believe that the Bromance is alive, I don't believe it can be restored to what it once was, but I do believe eCan and eUS can work together better than they have in the recent past.
One day, I want Michigan to belong to eCanada. Hockeytown (and its grain) should belong to eCanada. There will come a time when eUS has it's regions back, and eCan will play a role in that, from within or outside of CoT, and eCan's chances of region renting or swapping with eUS will be affected by how we handle this citizenship and migration issue today.
Denouement...
I really don't know what the intention of eUS citizens are. I do know that is poses a risk and that the risk has to be managed. I also know that it presents and opportunity and eCan sure could use some opportunities. When opportunity knocks, will you open the door and yell out the window?
Who's your daddy?
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First *after Addy*
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First man ever to have the 100% support from all 5 of the top 5 parties... Go gettem Addy@
I don't think he is the first, there has to have been SOMEONE else.
Also, given the circumstance, what else do you expect 😛
lol true.. I wonder if there ever has been.. Internet spy! Come on out and tell us! 😛
I'd check but I've got a Gyro arriving in about 10 minutes and I'm starving
ADDY4CP
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The issue is that they can still vote and DMV is is not only a member of a political party, he's the PP and the CP. This frames things quite differently.
DMV said he was pulling out of the CP election two days ago yet he remains on the CP ballot card for his own party.
This stuff smells like PTO. If it isn't PTO, show us. The burden of proof lies with the alleged PTO'er in these cases.
Because most the alleged PTO'r are supporting you this election. Unless DMV is running a secret PTO by himself without sharing it with anyone , none exists. Just because events beyond anyone's control like the worker tax happen, does not mean there is some kind of plan. Every decision I have been a part of has been what I believed was the best for Canada. It will all be over in 2 days and people can start imagining things about you.
"Unless DMV is running a secret PTO by himself without sharing it with anyone"
...or at least you. DMV can eliminate this possibility by removing himself from the CP ballot of the party that he is PP of. The irony is that DMV casts doubt on himself. If there is nothing to hide why is there something to hide? If there is no PTO, why so politically active?
Just because DMV has these image problems does not make him a PTO'er, but they remain image problems.
At this point I don't think he gives one hoot about his image. He asked to be impeached. Impeach him or just wait 2 days.
I just clicked on all the obvious American new citizens profiles. Only 3 have joined political parties. Of the 3 2 of them are former Canadian citizens and the 3rd I just don't know.
I replied to your deleted comment, which was very similar to this one.
Just correct one mistake sorry. Your quick.
you're 😃
If I'm one of the 3, yes - I have been a Canadian citizen in the past and I was in the CPF at the time.
Whatever the motives or plans of some eUS people coming north - I am not one of them. I left the eUS because of them and their ways.
I regard PTO/ATO as a black art.
I regard it as an art as well...
I'm assuming i'm one of the three, and the only reason i'm in a party is because I-Bleed-Blue attempted to lie to me so that i would vote for some random guy that i don't know by calling his opposition a PTOer, it just so happens that i knew that opposition personally, and knew for a fact that he wasn't a PTOer. So i joined the party and voted for the opposition out of spite for his political lies.
That opposition was DMV.
I'm only in Canada because of the bonuses and the work tax.
This PTO banter is nonsense and you all know it.
#Daddy4CP
#Mommy4CP
oh...wait
Reading this article I can't help wondering what's not a PTO.
However it's a sensible approach to a potential threat. A sudden influx of citizens from another nationality, whatever it is, raises a few eyebrows and causes a bit of unrest with the locals. If the reason american citizens came was to enjoy our taxes then they have nothing to worry about.
Except canadian's worst enemy: bipolarity.
Canadians and American'a in RL are as close to the same people as you can get. Now Serbians.......
I've said before that I personally like the exchange of new ideas. My lawn's open for everyone, americans, serbians or romanians.
But I understand why some people like their lawn clean and spotless. Some take more pride in showing it than playing in it.
Mine's a pigsty, just the way I like it.
Glad to see a backing off of the PTO rhetoric.
I don't think the applicants from the US would have any problem staying out of parties and political positions. Most of the people applying are eUS Marines, who usually hold general disdain for the US Gov't. Moving to Canada is a political statement for them. Fed up with the new tax, they are "voting with their feet" and leaving the country.
They don't want in your country for political gain. They are leaving the USA to make a political statement and get some tax relief in the process. I don't think they would object to any of your stipulations.
As for region swapping and all that, I don't see any reason why a future US Administration wouldn't agree to a region swap. After all, there are several resources that are in multiple core regions. We don't need all of them. We can surely spare regions for mutual economic benefit.
I would also add this is the same MU that fought for Canada against the US when the whole CTRL thing blew up. They have proven their loyalty to Canada more then some real Canadians who have come back.
The EUS Military as a whole(the Marines are one branch of the EUS Military) all refused to fight against Canada.
Shit, they can have Detroit. That place has only one redeeming quality, which is that you can leave.
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Voted! Great article, as usual Addy!
I am glad somebody believes in land swap deals again, they can be so useful.
I concur.
Uh Oh?
You think ACT/TWO is an option?
The Great "Technician" will no doubt swiftly remove you from his friends list....
Good luck! o7
I dont care that much about Amuricans on my lawn
I wanna know if we are gonna pay or fight to get Spaniards off my lawn
Id rather fight and have some Amurican back up
So what about the perceived "PTO" by citizens who abandoned eCanada when we were wiped but all come flocking back when there suddenly were positions of power to contend for like they own the place.
Pfffft! Hypocrisy!
ADDY4CP o7
~hyuu~
DMV4PTO
ADDY4CP
I stopped reading when I got to CFovetS I'm gonna assume that the rest of the article compares "Team Butthurt" (United Aggression) to the Americans and hopes we can all get along for the betterment of everyone.
If DMV is CFovetS and the American MUs are UAgg, I say we run them out now.
"I will likely be trolled by eIndians for using this example and I deserve it, that is the price I have to pay for my actions."
Not a single eIndian comment. Addy, you appear to have been forgiven...or forgotten.
eCanada should forgive past problems with eUSa and forget the Bromance, but try to work on something new, with less paranoia or past grudges.
anyway, a good episode about trust and opening up doors between friends...
http://www.movshare.net/video/7ba1070a2eb73