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At this point both parties score to high; I&W 19% and DemNL 16% ! !

that's not for you to decide

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I agree with this for DemNL but Iron and Wine needs all votes, to get this 15% So if you
want to vote I en W, please do it!

agreed. i&w are just realistic expectations. unless more people than normal vote for us we will get lucky with 2 seats this time around.

You didn't realise we have 20 seats available this time I suppose?

no i know we have 20 seats weekstrom. but i also did my homework and know about how many people will vote for us.

What a lame article. What kind of democracy do you live in if the states tell what party to vote and not vote. Unless I&W and DEMNL are PTOers or something, the state has no business to lecture the electorate no which party to vote and not vote. I think the government, exotically the CP who did not call for the cancellation of this article should be a shame of themselves.

This also shows that eNL needs new leadership and a new CP asap. I think this is an impeachable offense.

I don't think so Konrad. Our country needs the gold, since we are living in hard times.

This is merely a financial warning, instead of a political 'problem'.

You can encourage them to pay and if they do not, it is not in the place for the STATE, using STATE logo and TELLING the citizens on HOW TO VOTE. What the state does now is undemocratic and will kill all chances for DEMNL to donate gold. Also so what if I&W have only 3 seats. If the people want to vote I&W, that is their right. No one in the government should tell people how to vote especially if it is econ related. If eNL needs money, ask the citizens to donate gold or by eNL bonds. The state telling how people go no matter the reason (other than PTO) is unethical, undemocratic, and will start a slippery slope where tyranny and despots replace democracy.

In the end, it seems van Spjick is still on his vendetta against I&W and DEMNL etc...

@RV93 this is are congres elections. Not chose for the one that pays the state elections.

It is, in a way, both. Although I believe that the intentions are pure, telling people en masse not to vote for a party will be bad for their overall outcome. I&W needed 15%, but if people stop voting now and vote on other parties their 15% will sink, resulting in fewer seats. It would have been better if the advise was not to vote and check back at the end of the vote to see if your party needs a boost (although if enough people do that it can skew the votes a lot too)

That said, the problem is more an eRep game mechanic thing than a player one.

Only lame thing here is the lack of candidates imo.

by warning not to vote i&w that submitted enough candidates (if you look at the last couple of elections) you might cost us a seat.

@ Zeeuwsmeisje but people can see it themselves. Maybe they want that another don't gets to much CM so they vote for DemNL.

I'm in DemNL and I totally agree with this article.
Don't vote my party. We're easily getting our congress seat, no need to waste votes.
It's better to see what other parties have opinions DemNL can agree with and use our votes to help our friends in other parties... ALSO from a democratic viewpoint.

Next time, I'll also run as a candidate, even if I don't expect to be active. This lack of candidates is simply ridiculous...

Oh, and I voted a different party myself. So I'm not one of those 13 votes (17.8😵. I'm quite confident we're already getting an empty seat now for DemNL... I&W may be fine, but shouldn't get much more votes.

I have to agree with this !&W situation. They have 3 good candidates so telling not to vote them is creating un wanted bad blood. DemNL situation in other hand is a clear fail !!! The lost gold is just a drop in the black hole and the price is too high to pay.
Yes I understand the lost of gold but the manner its explained sadly creates friction in this small community.

from a neutral point, this should be regulated by the affected partys,not the goverment.

and seriously, does one or 2 less congressman make that much of a difference. nah.

look on the bright sight. atleast we now know theres absolutely 0,0 PTO risk in the Netherlands 🙂

@Konrad; You're totally missing the point. Read again perhaps you'll understand.
@james & Odan; Only as long as I&W is above 15% of votes (which they still are) the advise is not to vote. If you have 15% all 3 candidates will have their seats. Higher percentages will result in loss of congress seats and thus gold income.
Current results and advise;
GPN 39% safe to vote
DemNL 18% don't vote. Even if no one votes any more they have their seat
UNP 14% Safe to vote
VVN 11% Safe to vote
I&W 19% Don't vote (yet) if you want to safe you're vote to be sure 3 seats are taken that's fine. I'll keep you all posted.

Offcourse i understand you BUT.. the people that read first get the info not to vote I en W. Red and not green. And that is NOT correct..

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And at that point we were already loosing seats. And most people will choose the election button first before reading articles so the effect will be minimal at best. Especially when other people don't look right and get overwhelmed by emotion or something like that and shout the opposite to people. I do not intend to get both parties less seats then their number of candidates but if voting continues like it's going we WILL lose seats and gold!

I read it and I know what I wrote. I do not care if the state needs money etc, but if there is no PTO, there should be no warnings from the state to tell people not to vote for some party. If the state needs money, ask people to donate. Talk to the PP's and tell them to address this concern to the voters. The state should NEVER TELL PEOPLE HOW TO VOTE when there is no PTO's. What you did today is unethical and undemocratic. I am really disturbed and sadden from it.

Konrad has a point. The goverment shouldn't mess with congres elections. It is not good of DemNL that they have only 1 candidate, but people that vote see that. And they can decide on their own if they want to vote or not. And at the moment I&W has some disadvantage, maybe they need some votes in some hours. But then it seems that the players that wanted to vote on I&W already voted on a other party and they can't get 3 people in congres.

Really? How many people you think will look at the number of candidates first in stead of just clicking the vote button? And even if the look first; how many of them know the mechanism in which candidates are selected after voting? If that mechanism worked differently. f.e. in such a way that if a lack of candidates occurred an other party's candidate was elected I wouldn't have spent a single letter on it....
Currently we're losing 1 seat due to I&W and 2 due to DemNL.

But I don't like the way how it is said. There stands Don't vote. And the CP is shouting that to. But can't you make it a little bit different. Something like We recommend you not to vote DemNL. Because maybe someone doesn't want to many GPN CM in congres so he votes on DemNL so GPN has to get more votes to get people in congres. That can be a tactic. And then the goverment doesn't fore people to vote on another party. (I used GPN randomly)

That's correct kamp Amersfoort. Don't vote as it's a lost vote. And that's at the moment of writing and will be updated and as a result it might change. Chances are slim I'd think, but it's possible and then the advise will change accordingly.

Don't vote DemNL is simply a fact. Even for DemNL it is better not to vote DemNL anymore these elections.
People should use their vote to help other parties they think are nice. Next elections I'm sure we'll have plenty of candidates again...

I&W is debatable. If we end with the same number of votes as previous elections, they're almost at the right number of votes (14.6% of last times votes). So my advice would be to wait if you're an I&W "fan". And if they are below 15.5% give them a vote.

Don't waste your votes on creating empty seats. Instead vote for other parties you like. That way your voice still carries some weight.

Last elections for congress were 17,12 and 16,06 for I&W. If less people vote on DemNL that percentage rises and thus it's as I said; It goes in lesser way for I&W but the risk there of lost seats/gold (both to player and state) is there for sure.

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A government issuing an official order not to vote for some party is fishy in itself. It can be done for good reasons, though, like PTO threats. This, however, was done for financial reasons. It's plain disgusting.

Not only is there no good reason for it (how much is 10 Gold, really?), but it is potentially very damaging to the parties involved. Reputations matter, especially now politics are totally devoid of substantial differences between parties. This is nothing but an over-reaction by people with proverbial dollar signs in their eyes.

So you would like it better if we get empty seats? Strange if you ask me.
What strikes me as the most odd however is the fact that a party doesn't take responsibility in these matters; If you can not provide enough candidates for whatever reason (might be a good one! ) Then you should prevent from within a party that votes are lost due to you're party. For example by telling you're partymembers to take a look at the max numbers of votes you're party may get. Apart from the remarks from Djirtsdew I've seen nothing of that kind. Only emotional reactions from parties involved because they fear the will get less seats than there amount of candidates. For both parties that's no issue at all from the start.

Yes, I'd prefer empty seats to this outrage. It's a principled stand, and I know you and other people with an intensely serious and pragmatist approach to this game wouldn't understand.

Where in my comment did you read I was afraid DemNL would get no seats, by the way? Please tell me. As I'm not Djirtsdew, I assume you categorize me under this heading: "Only emotional reactions from parties involved because they fear the [sic] will get less seats than there [sic] amount of candidates."

And how would you categorize Konrad Neumann and Kamp amersfoort? Your skewed view does no justice to the participants in this discussion.

Better have empty seats then people who are only filling the seat to give the state gold.

That wasn't a comment regarding you're post. More a general comment that could have been posted as a general remark also. And I could of course vent an opinion about everybody's personal reaction but I don't think that would help. But if people would specifically ask I might do so.
Since you asked; I didn't categorise you under the emotional heading although you're very close to that point. You're categorised under a totally different heading for a couple of months now. And you're one of the few people of which I was forced to change my opinion that I formed during the first months of playing.

Please tell me more details. I'm very curious. 🙂

I'm still wondering what you meant in your comment above. Please tell me; it might be useful.

Details, details, gimme details! |o/ \o/ \o|

Not only are certain people from government defending this article but the CP himself is shouting it too, and all this for a little ammount of gold. If eNL is that poor I can happily donate some of my gold. But all this is showing is that there is something very wrong with this current administration.

It's more the lack of activity in partys I think

but people can vote. They can decide if they want to vote on a party that not have many candidates. The goverment doesn't have to decide that for them for 5 gold or so.

Really? if I would have wanted more power for the other parties then I shouldn't have posted anything at all. Votes on parties that don't have enough candidates would then be lost and as a result mean less opposition in congress for those parties that have enough candidates. So if I wanted it to be more easy for this administration or other parties I'd better could have been quiet as they would have had more power in congress then. The only focus I have is the general interest of eNL, regardless off the administration I'm part off. Ask van Spijck or other CP's I've served; I can and will be a serious pain in the a#s if something is done/wanted that isn't in the (financial) best interest of the country. Or for the military if I put my commander cap on.

so telling the people to not vote for I&W and Demnl but for GPN or UNP doesn't strengthen those parties? (just take a look at the shouts)

And for a few Gold, you thought it would be a good idea to unleash a new bout of civil war upon the eNetherlands? How is that serving the interests of the country? I'm very confused.

If the PP of I&W and DemNL would have written this, there wouldn't be a problem, but when the government does it, it changes everything. The government should not tell people who to vote for and who not, especially not the CP