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Vendetta said in their manifesto that they are for alliance with eSerbia. Nothing new to see here...

All the more reason to keep them from power

See title & reply to mick cain :3.

I'm not surprised in the least

Oh yeah, we all knew. But it extends further than hitting for Serbia. It makes their whole 'yay for the eUK' rubbish useless (Even more useless than before)

Because hitting for the enemy also damages us as the eUK, as allies will have to fight their own battles and cannot spare as much damage for us, and potentially other allies who could have hit for us will have to hit for that battle too.

I would agree, I welcome people being anti-whateveralliancewearein but militarist dissent is just a means of undermining the eUK's reliability in any alliance and also risks having the current alliance bail on us in our time of need, ie if we were near wiped. People are welcome to be pro-Serb or whatever their inclination is, but fighting for the current alliances enemies is potentially damaging. When it comes to fighting, I have always held that to fight for the eUK is to fight for the government, and the elected representatives of the eUK - whether they have put us in our personal favoured alliance or not. The country has invested trust in Congress and CP's who led us into that alliance, and have not yet withdrawn us from it, and those playing as soldiers would do well to respect that.

It's obvious what their plans are.They want to change our alliance.When they get into power,and its only a matter of time until they do.How are they going to get the MUs of the Euk to fight for them.The Royal Navy will continue to fight for Sirius whatever happens

RN would do that even if there is a referendum and perhaps a series of referenda that establish by Majority Decision that we should be in Alliance 'X,Y or Z'?

Croatia are not 'our' allies.

I didn't vote for that - Did you?

Lots of eUKers didn't get to choose a side and some will naturally fight for old friends or in historic places.



NOTE: I Fight for MKD, Serbia and Indonesia when I can.

Whether you like it or not, Croatia is a ally of the eUK at this moment. Hitting against our allies makes us look unfaithful not just to our own alliance, but other alliances if we ever seek to join them. They won't think very well of a country which hits against it's own allies.

It's not about me liking it or hating it............I just don't recognise the decision of a small sliver of the eUK to be binding on the whole.

I didn't vote for an alliance with Serbia

Of course you as an individual can fight for whoever you like, but an eUK MU shouldn't be actively supporting an enemy, should it?

And of course if the next elected government believe it's in the best interest of eUK to side with Serbia then eUK MU should support the Gov't.

and I didn't vote for an alliance with Croatia.

Yet apparently someone must of voted and done so in great numbers as apparently you, I, Vendetta, that chap who just joined and the inactive 2-clicket are best friends with and allies of Croatia.

The eUK voted for the CP and Congress, who then voted to sign an MPP with Croatia, making them our allies. A Commander of a eUK military unit should not be directing his fighters to hit against an eUK ally which has been laying damage down for us in quite a big way in the last few days

So if a Croatian MPP was rejected and a Serbian one passed..........Croatia now deadly enemies who cannot have CS and Serbia are again best friends we welcome with open arms?

or if we look for a more moderate point of view............of those congressmembers who voted for the Croatian MPP - How many were from NE/Vendetta?

Did they or any of them vote yes and thus pledge themselves as allies?

Whether you like it or not, for the time being we are a member of Sirius and have an MPP with Croatia- by game mechanics we are allies with Croatia. Fighting against allies who are trying to help us get free is dickish

In pure game Mechanics and Definition terms - We are 'allies'
but game mechanics also allow people to move and fight so..........it's a tie.

In Emotive terms i.e 'Dickish' - I find the way we ended up in the alliance (porcedure not result) as being dickish...............so we tie again.

Alfagrem you have fought against the euk so many times i am kinda puzzled why you are here.

You want to fight the euk and its allies so go and do what you do best join one of our enemies nations

I've never fought against the eUK in any battle whilst a citizen of the eUK.

That is correct i am not saying i am saying the last time things didnt go your way you jumped over to Canada and started tanking against us.

So your views on helping the euk and its allies dont hold much weight

If by 'thing didn't go your way' you mean I found the Canucks to be cool chaps when I was almost single-handed keeping them from wiping us in the Addy wars and leapt over to join them once that war was over as they seemed a fun choice + Temujin..............you are bang on.

>"What's the point of holding a referendum?"

1) To establish the fact that one man and his cohorts can't unilaterally decide.
2) To establish how much support actually exists for SIRIUS.
3) To be able to point to a democratic poll where the majority has made a decision and thus we can start calling SIRIUS members allies of the eUK without it being an exaggeration for arguments sake/to prove a point.
4) It's fun and gives us all something to talk about.
5) It's been promised.

The main point of my question was, what happens if it doesn't go their way? I'm not saying the referendum is bad, I do see the point in it. But I can't see much of a point if Vendetta still hit against Sirius even if the eUK does vote to stay in Sirius.

Also this is the full quote, no point cutting out the rest as it was important to the context of the question.

'What's the point of holding a referendum? You're already taken your side and I don't see you actually sticking to Sirius if the referendum doesn't go your way.'

Well as we seem to of accepted the point of a referendum the rest of your quote was opinion and conjecture.

I find it best not to argue someones beliefs and opinions unless there are irrefutable facts to hand & as your opinion is based on a future event........there are no facts to prove that Vendetta ignores referndums.

In fact it was their idea in the first place.

>"What's the point of holding a referendum?"

"3) To be able to point to a democratic poll"

http://www.erepublik.com/en/country/United-Kingdom/citizenship/applications/approved/395

lol

I could copy and past links showing Belgians, Poles and whatever entering the country but that's another argument and largely irrelevant given how eUK has never disbarred people with no RL UK links or based soley on eNationaility.

You and Me would not be here if that was the case.

My point was, just tell it like it is, lets not call things democratic if they're not. Importing people into a country to change there foreign policy isn't democratic. No maker the amount of spin or misdirection people put on it that's what Vendetta are doing. Did TUP do it? Who cares at this point, it doesn't excuse Vendetta from doing it now.

Some of us find it dastardly.........that's true.

But we didn't make a big issue out of it when party 'X' did it so any castigation of party 'Y' for doing the same feels a little........hollow.

It's like the whole SIRIUS issue - If you don't back the idea of a referendum then you can't complain if at a later date the CP decides to change our orientation on a whim.

It's the lack of consistency in all these arguments that makes most attempts at debate futile as it can be clearly seen that some people are not attacking the issues but those involved.

They'll ignore the vote. They don't care. I don't see why you are debating it.

We're not debating that^.

As previously mentioned..........it's conjecture and opinion on a possible future event which therefore precludes the presentation of facts and other supportable data conducive to reasoned debate .

Completely serious question. If/when a referendum is held, who will be handling it and the counting of the votes and publishing of information? I for one would like it if we could find a completely neutral party. Honestly I think that referendum result falsification is a very real possibility.

Probably be under the aegis of one of the ministries?

You should ask me to put my picture in the article.
But I'm not even mad 🙂
It's hilarious!
Greetings from RL Serb and eUK citizen o/

May be you in it, but you definitely did not provide it 🙂.

Croatia are not 'our' allies.

I didn't vote for that - Did you?

Lots of eUKers didn't get to choose a side and some will naturally fight for old friends or in historic places.



NOTE: I Fight for MKD, Serbia and Indonesia when I can.

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