[TRG] Law & Order
J.A. Lake
There's something missing in the eUnited States, a rather large portion of the real government we've evidently chosen to emulate.
When the Constitution was framed in the late 1780s, three branches of government were laid out to create, enforce, and interpret the law.
The Executive Branch, headed by the President, enforces the law to this day. Agencies such as the Department of Justice answer to the man in the Oval Office, and carry out laws passed by the men and women in the next branch.
The Legislative Branch is a collective (today) of 535 Senators and Congresspeople that are supposed to pass all laws necessary and proper to execute the powers vested in them by the United States Constitution, which include regulating interstate commerce, coining money and regulating its value, and declaring war. These laws are interpreted by the final branch.
The Judicial Branch is the network of courts that exist across the United States, from the one that fined you for driving 70 in a school zone to the one that decided to strike down state prohibitions on same-sex marriage several months ago. If the Congress should pass a law that is enforced and challenged on Constitutional grounds, the Supreme Court of the United States can choose to hear it and render judgement.
If you hadn't guessed by now, the point of this article is to talk about the Judicial Branch.
In reality we have a fairly functional system between those three branches- each checks the power of the next and balances the system, more or less. What we have here is something a little less workable. There are only two of the three branches of government- the Executive and Legislative. Worse, it would seem that judicial powers are vested in the legislature, meaning that one branch makes the law and decides if it is constitutional.
This clearly leads to a dangerously unbalanced metagame, wherein Congress holds too much power in its hands. As demonstrated in the recent revolt, Congress performed actions of the all three branches- enforced the law (blacklisted 20-some citizens of the country), decided the constitutionality of their actions, and wrote new laws laying out what blacklisting entailed.
Most distressing is that none of this is unconstitutional, by the looks of it.
Congress is too powerful, and accountable to no one. The biggest executive check on the legislative branch does not appear to exist- veto power. Citing the lack of a judiciary, there are no judicial checks on Congress. Congress is unchecked!
Indeed, much of the legal language that dictatorship loyalists hurled at the December 6 Revolutionaries was about legality and the rule of law. I say there is no rule of law- Congress rules the land. It writes laws, it declares them constitutional, and it enforces them itself.
Some of this is in response to game mechanics- there is no system of courts written into the game, after all. Typically I am very strongly anti-meta, but I would say that if there is no in-game Constitution, nor in-game means of censuring Congresspeople, why can there be no meta-courts to hear legal challenges?
A meta-court could function to review laws when they are challenged by people. It could serve as a legal recourse for those censured or even blacklisted by Congress and believe it was done unfairly. Most importantly, it would serve to keep Congress in check.
Implementation would be difficult, without a doubt. It would almost certainly require a substantial rewrite of the Constitution or, hopefully, a new Constitution.
First, the law must be enforced fairly per the Due Process Clause of the 14th Amendment of the US Constitution. As it stands, there is no such clause in the eConstitution. There is no due process- people claimed to be in breach of the law are declared guilty without a trial and oftentimes on Congressional boards off-site.
Second, the law must be enforced equally on all parties, per the Equal Protection Clause of the 14th Amendment to the Constitution. Again, no such clause exists in the eConstitution. Law can be applied arbitrarily per Congress' wishes.
These two most basic principles of law are ignored here.
So what we would need is an eSupreme Court, a body that can put a foot down and rein in our runaway Congress. The decisions of this body must be legally binding to Congress (and everyone else, for that matter), apolitical, fair, and equal. It is a branch that should be coequal to the other two.
What would an eSupreme Court look like?
I've come up with some principles that should guide the creation of an eSupreme Court.
1) It is not hosted on the eUS Forums.
This would serve to protect the eSupreme Court's deliberations from the eyes of Congress, and ensure that no outside pressure is put on the eJustices to rule one way or the other.
2) eJustices must not hold a position in the Legislative or Executive Branches while serving on the eSupreme Court.
The reasoning here is obvious. If a Congressperson or member of the Executive Branch sat on the eSupreme Court, not only would it distract from their duties to those branches but it would create an immediate conflict of interests.
3) eJustices must be immune from Congressional or Executive removal or censure.
Again, this safeguards the eSupreme Court from external pressure.
4) Decisions handed down by the eSupreme Court must be binding.
A court with no teeth is subject to situations like Andrew Jackson's, "John Marshall has made his decision, now let him enforce it." Penalties must be stiff for disobeying rulings of the eSupreme Court, perhaps as far as impeachment or censure.
This is by no means a perfect framework, but a place to start. Without a Judicial Branch, there is no means by which to honestly claim the rule of law on this country. To truly be just we must establish the legal apparatus that embodies justice. Legislating to legislate, and claiming that such practice is legal beyond question is not creating the rule of law- it is subverting it and replacing it with a dictatorial Congress.
Thanks for reading.
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Law & Order
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Welp, you got me sold!
LETS DO THIS! A think at least 2 reps from each top five and a rep from like the smaller parties to form said group
I believe this has been tried at least twice in the past, with disappointing results.
What happened?
Unfortunately, I do not know, as I was not involved in the game/meta at the time it was around. I've only know what I was told.
Then there's hope! If we work together on this, all of us, we can accomplish something great.
No. It's not. It was awful, and it devolved into roleplaying both times rapidly. You think things are petty now? This isn't petty. The "judicial" branch was.
This is an amazing idea. If such a thing was implemented it would surely help correct many of the flaws our current system has. Although the current frame makes it as powerful as congress. Make it so that one of the other systems, perhaps executive, could check a judicial branch such as this, and it would be a great system to have implemented.
It isn't perfect right now but I wanted to get all this off my mind before my next final (coincidentally, one for a course on Courts, Law, and Procedure).
It has been tried in a few countries with overall disappointing outcome as a result of ingame lack of power, election(s) or appointments as well accountability.
I has been discussed on eRepublik Forums as well as within the eRepublik Labs as a possible new module or extension of any of the current (most likely with Congress/President) however it never got further than talks.
I suppose the only way forward then would be to figure out where prior courts went wrong and try to prevent that from happening again with this one.
Congress is accountable to those who vote for them. They followed the eUS constitution to the letter.
Also how can you possibly rail against meta and then suggest a supreme court?
Is it, though? I have never once gotten a message from a Congressperson or seen anything that shows Congress bowing to the will of their constituents.
Also, thanks for proving my point that the Constitution is broken and vests too much power in Congress.
That is what voting is...
Is an uninformed vote truly a vote?
Yes. Assuming votes are uninformed because you dislike the outcome is incredibly paternalistic.
It's also a very Socialist and undemocratic thing to do so I guess that makes sense 😉
Hmm. Seems that you missed my point. Let me explain again.
In this game, claiming to be checked by the authority of the people is shaky. "The people" includes two-clickers, multies, foreign invaders, and newbies who need to be educated.
Thus, when one claims they are checked by the people, they are not being truthful if they spend the month on an off-site forum, where the majority of the people do not go and in certain boards are not permitted to be.
Before you say it, acting with the will of the people is a different beast. When acting on the will of the people there is a greater element of communication and oftentimes a measure of working together, all of which are absent when the only check is a click of a button once every 28-31 days.
How does a court system help this in relation to congress?
Congress should decide who gets blacklisted from congress, not every district Justice in the USA gets to know what goes on behind closed doors in the government, and nor should they here, and without that information they can't judge fair.
Is it fair that a majority of congressman could blacklist a minority? No. But if that minority hadn't done something wrong then the people voting to blacklist wouldn't get the votes of the people who see injustice being carried out. That's where the people have influence, they won't take action in public anyway, if the party will get a bad reputation because of it.
At least, that is my two cents
So if Gnilraps won based on voting as you say then actually trying a month without dictator was not bad as we were repping constituents
I think you've convinced me.
The creation of a Supreme Court will not be easy, but I want to see it take place.
I'll get started.
Let me know where I can help!
this is absurd. it won't be easy because even among people who believe in the meta it is too toothless. it won't be on the eUS forums even though the rest of our government is because the SFP doesn't like the eUS forums?
For this to be done, there must be a constitutional amendment, which must go through Congress. I look forward to seeing the proposal Gnilraps.
This response is why so many people are frustrated with congress. One article and one comment and you're already striking a combative tone. I too have my doubts about this plan, but I'm also willing to fully investigate it
Congress isn't combative
I am. Those are not the same thing lol
Wah-wah! No fair! Somebody else is making up a fake off-game government!
lol what I thought PQ "signed up to play eRepublik"
He's the third person to recommend this, but nobody that had been able to explain it that well.
I would love to be part of it.
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Alexis Primero
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I'd rather reduce the rules, but I see this as a compromise, with what we've got happening.
Honestly, this is an interesting idea, something I've been thinking of as well.
But something I wonder; how would the judges be chosen? Citizens voting on a poll? Hand-picked by the CP/Congress?
There may be a long way to go, but it sounds fun.
That was something I struggled over. Initially I thought they'd be voted in as part of a Presidential platform, but I wrote that off as too politicized- if a Justice should be elected owing to X's campaign, that Justice would be beholden to some extent to X's wishes, compromising the court.
Another idea that Josh put forward is impaneling a Court from each of the Parties. I'm iffy on that one as well, since it is also pretty political. Not as bad as the election idea, but still not prime.
Allowing Congress to hand-pick members of the Court would defeat the purpose of the court, which is to provide a check on Congress.
Appointment by a CP is an option, much like we do in reality. This would be similar to the first option, but since it isn't a result of an election it might be workable.
Volunteers could be interesting, too. I don't know how that would work.
Appointment by a CP is the same as being voted in by the Presidential platform.
Actually, no. Appointment means that the CP picks someone they think would make a solid justice and puts them up for approval from Congress.
Being voted in on a Presidential platform means they're essentially elected, through riding off the coattails of the Presidential candidate and not evaluated or approved by Congress.
Appointees from each T5 and one/two for the 6th parties to decide between themselves?
As long as we maintained an odd number of Justices, that is a possibility.
That would politicize the process, which I think is something we're looking to avoid.
Very interesting idea!
When was the last time that someone broke a law and it didn't have anything to do with the Dictatorship law?
Why can't it be hosted on the eUS Forums when both the Executive and the Legislative are hosted there?
Who would judge people?
The dictatorship law isn't necessarily in question here as is the entire body of eUS law. It was the handling of that breach of law that kind of... sparked this line of thought in me.
When people were blacklisted en masse, there was no due process- Congress said it, and so it was. It was then that I realized we need to have a serious reexamination of the egovernment to determine if it's set up in a fair way.
Why can't it be hosted on the eUS Forums? For exactly the reason I wrote in the article. If the mods were able to feed information to and from particular groups, it could impact deliberations in the Court or allow for the persuasion or blackmail of Justices.
Who would be the judge? I don't know, it's not for me to decide 😛
"The dictatorship law isn't necessarily in question here as is the entire body of eUS law. It was the handling of that breach of law that kind of... sparked this line of thought in me."
I know, but, besides all the shit regarding the dictatorship law, there just not enough law being broken to create the need of a Judicial Brench. Maybe you are looking at the problem from the wrong angle...
I guess it isn't a matter of the amount of laws being broken, but the necessity and fairness of those laws being enforced.
Besides, creating a Supreme Court would have a lot of intrinsic benefits. New positions for people to fill, the possibility for a whole new angle of the game being added- the angle of law. We could have e-attornies, even! (That would be strange.) Maybe a Department of Justice, I mean, this opens up a lot of new possibilities.
"If the mods were able to feed information" The forum admins don't do this, wherever this would be there would be mods, so I don't get it, you can just have the admins appoint the same mods.
People were totally given due process. The thread is fucking 8 pages long. Just because they willfully ignored the process doesn't mean they weren't given their due.
People can't be given due process because due process is nonexistent in the eConstitution. The length of the thread is immaterial.
Hmm...
I've always been told that courts were tried in the past, and they always turned into too much toothless roleplay and eventually fell inactive, but I don't really know from firsthand knowledge.
Anyway, I think if something like this were to be tried, it would mostly end up as a council of mediators to resolve disputes and organizational conflicts, which, I guess, is not without merit.
As an aside though, I think some of the problems you speak of here are exacerbated by the dwindling playerbase. I have doubts that we even have the manpower to do this fairly, but that's probably why things have come to this point anyway.From how I see it, the issue is not so much that any one branch has too much power insomuch as there is no true separation of powers at all just because the same group of people consistently does the majority of the work and thus wields the majority of the power independent of role.
But oh well. At the very least, it's an interesting thing to think about.
I agree that the problems we see are born of a shrinking player base. This proposal would serve to give us a lens through which to reexamine the eGovernment and possibly provide a catalyst to rebuild the government to suit the smaller player base.
Perhaps start it with one judge from each top five parties and two from non top 5 parties. Seven total. Generate seniority of the seven randomly to start. Each new CP/dic term the newly elected honcho selects one new judge, approved by congress. Two choices could be voted down. If so the third choice must be accepted. The new judge replaces the most senior judge. If someone retires a temporary judge can be appointed by the president until the end of that presidential term. At that point the next prez selects two... Just thinking out loud
I like it! I had been trying to work out a kind of constantly-refreshing bench too. My one gripe is that I think Justices should serve longer terms. Two months, three months, beyond, all in order to gain a good grip on the law they'll be interpreting.