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Jake, the tl;dr version is Jude didn't wear the universal kneepads. 😉

The JC4POTUS campaign is a symptom of a larger problem, I think 😛

Or we could just push the Civil War button 😃

I think that's a very valid option 😃

And there's your reason. You guys are a minority. You are a very vocal minority but a minority none the less. The biggest problem a lot of us have with the SFP crowd is that even though you are in the minority you try and force your views on the majority. The election was a sort of referendum on whether the country would buy what the SFP is selling. You lost and the country rejected your views soundly. And if your reaction to that is to "push the CW button " then you learned absolutely nothing. The dying game and diminishing player base has allowed you into the top 5. That isn't a mandate that the rest of us want what you're pushing. While your views may be what you want, you need to actually consider what the majority wants. Until you do that and stop trying to force the will of the minority on the majority you will never see a SFP president.

Allow me a moment to explain something that will make my comment clear to all. morningblur and I have traded comments in erep for years, other than an occasional PM that is our only relationship. Sometimes we agree, often we don't but I'm always interested in what he says whether we agree or not.

In this case I completely agree. I would have said it more diplomatically but that's just me. A minority can only become a majority by changing others opinion. Jude's campaign started out great and I believed he had enough support to be a strong contender but at the end things fizzled.

Perhaps it would be worthwhile to think in marketing terms. Polish the apple. The grocer used to spend hours polishing his apples. Why and what the hell does that have to do with a CP run? Simple, People notice small things, even is on an unconscious level. Store A has polished apples, floor freshly mopped, shelf's faced neatly and courteous help. Store B has dirty apples, litter on the floor, shelf's are not stocked well and the people seem to disappear when you have a question. What store are you gonna spend your money at?

Polish your apples, don't let them get dull.

Dill, great analogy. Spot on. Personally Jude said some things that I started to think I could get behind. I truly did consider voting for him to give him a chance to make some needed changes. The fact is he was right our present situation must change, it's boring and breeds apathy. In the end though when it came time to press the button, I just couldn't do it. I came to the conclusion that a SFP government would be a government run by those who see nothing wrong with launching a CW simply because the majority doesn't give them their way. As a group the SFP crew just isn't ready to lead the country. They have some growing to do. Until they as a group prove that not only can they see the will of the majority, but also respect that will when it goes against what they want, they just can not be given a chance to run the country. Hopefully they can work it out, because I would like to see just what Jude can do with his idea of change. That time was not this election though. The comments above of 2 prominent SFP leaders proved that the EUSA made the correct choice. .......for now. Work on it and run Jude again, because we're it not for that in way I would have voted for Jude. And man that's rare that I find something to stand on the same side as Jude about.

OK, I'm scared...

morningblur, "...find(s) something to stand on the same side as Jude..." and we both have the same take on what happened/should have been done differently.

Like I've said below, Jude didn't run representing SFP dogma he was just their candidate. What I didn't say previously is that I believe Jude is his own man and makes his own decisions. If he had been elected I don't think the SFP would have been running the Exec, maybe influenced but not pulling Jude's strings.

Anyhow, a question for Jude. Wanna run next month? Got two potential campaign managers here with some ideas. 😃

While you are correct in saying that Jude would have been President not the SFP, that group would have had access and wielded influence no doubt. Also perception is a big part of politics. If you are part of a group, any group, there is a perception that you condone, agree with, and support the groups behavior. I just think that in this case, the actions and behavior of his fellow party members acted as an anchor that weighed him down.

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The first quote is from the books, not the show.

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Shuddup!

Yeah man o/

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An excellent article, buddy. You make several valid points and I believe few could disagree with you on the contents of the article.
I'm looking forward to your next article. 🙂

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no fuck off

What?

Just my opinion but you've probably garnered all the attention you can with the "revolution" thing. Jude's campaign sparked some interest by offering a different perspective on game play not by being 'opposed to da man'. With proper PR it may have worked, I saw no outward signs of organized PR work. 2 or 3 articles by the candidate is old hat, everyone does it. 1. I'm "different", "special", "patriotic", "skilled", "experienced", etc. 2. Here's my cabinet! 3. Remember to vote for me because you will be happier if I'm elected. Yeah, those articles are sort of expected by default but they're boring as hell, people just skim them and there is little to no promotion. Sure, if more than half of the people are already in your camp those articles are a rallying cry. If you're trying to win voters you have to show them the candidate is different in a way that is beneficial. Find out what qualities your candidate has that people want and promote, promote, promote.

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Well I agree with a lot of what was said, I'd caution you on some of your wording.

SFP did not run a candidate this month. A member of SFP decided to candidate this month, and SFP supported such member. Jude isn't all-encompassing of SFP and its ideals. At the end of the day, he is simply a member of our party. As such, he campaigned within SFP for our support. Wild Owl did not. Thus, Jude won the nomination.

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Fair points!

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Nice food for thought as always, J.A.

I think Jude could've won against a different candidate. Although people are divided in their opinions on Wild Owl, no one can deny he's been the most effective CP in recent times. It's also very hard to defeat a candidate that has Fed and USWP endorsement. Hopefully that fact will start to change given our ascendancy.

You're right, he could have beaten WO if he had the USWP and Feds split on the issue. However, my question is- do we want to do something that would split the Feds and USWP on the issue?

We saw what happens when an SFPer runs a dull campaign modeled after the T4's candidates. It doesn't work. We've got to think outside the T4 box 😛

I agree 76%

76 percentage points higher than outright disagreement. I'll take em!

I disagree. Jude did not lose votes for being too much like WO. He lost BSP because they didn't want to pay for his FA; they prefer boring and cheap FA over costly and interesting. He lost USWP because they hate him and WO is their own. He lost the Feds because they are old-fashioned and like the old-fashioned FA from WO. He lost WTP because Oblige and WO are buddies and Mazzy and WO are buddies, and they are basically all that's left of WTP besides a lot of multies and a few inactives.

There was not a single party that Jude could have won by being more different than WO. Be careful not to project your own reasons for hesitation to Jude onto others. If SFP is moving away from the values it held as a 6th party (and I disagree there, though that's an argument for another time), it is not losing us votes. If anything, it's winning us votes. Is that a good thing? No, not if it's at the cost of our values. But the rest of the country wants us to be less SFPish, not more.

As someone that's recharting old territory I appreciate the first paragraph. At the very least it helps confirm what I'm already detecting.

The second paragraph I take two issues with. "There was not a single party that Jude could have won by being more different than WO." I would 180 degree argue against this point. There is absolutely no way to oppose a candidate such as WO without being different. I would argue the more difference the better. A similar view would only split the vote and WO would win easily as he has the experience and connections.

"SFP is moving away from the values it held as a 6th party..." I disagree that SFP is moving away, possibly adapting, but that is to be expected from a party that still has life in it. However I don't see this point as germane because I don't recall Jude projecting himself as being the "SFP choice", he was running on his own merits not the party dogma.

The rest of the paragraph has to do with SFP stuff.

Oh, I agree that Jude needed to be substantially different from WO to win. WO has the cult of personality over Jude. If they held the same ideas, WO would win. I only meant to say that Jude was successful in playing up his differences from WO and did get some following because of it. That, ultimately, was not the factor that led to him losing parties. The factors were as I described in my first paragraph.

And I think that you misread as I put an "If" in front of "SFP is moving away..." and followed it with "(and I disagree there...)."

This is correct, the party system supported WO, for Jude to win he needed to win through extra-party processes, which is more possible now than it has been but still difficult.


This article propagates the entirely wrong solution, you garner more votes by appealing to a moderate majority. A debate over preserving ideals is fair, but one should not pretend that eschewing the system will win anyone over outside of an already captured niche.

Anyway your comment was insightful Jaden, even if I myself align with the "old-fashioned" Feds 😁

1🙂 I said I suspect a multi farm in ALL parties. Yours included. With which you agreed.
2.) My people are being banned because your people make an effort to report them. Report your own. Heck - maybe someone in your party is making them JUST to claim this.
3.) Hurt me? No. You didn't hurt me. You made a statement and your opinion loud and clear.

I just saw this.. Now Jaden - Didn't we discuss this "party of multi's nonsense already?" Just because WTP has a VERY good system for friending new players doesn't mean we're running multis. In fact if you check Mike Ontry's newspaper you might discover part of how we manage to do what we do. If you researched a few things you might have realized that the articles existed, and that our website links them. (Our website always rewards players for READING THEM.) So.. enough of your boohoo runs multis crap. It's growing old, and not gaining you any friends. In fact.. You just lost one.

I believe that some of your new players are real people. I've seen some new people being active in WTP, and that's great! But you yourself said that you suspect that a multi-farm exists in your ranks- you just don't know who's running it. A large proportion of your new people are getting almost immediately banned as multies. I don't mean this to be an offense to you or to WTP, but someone really wants either power in WTP or to make WTP look bad... I'm sorry to hear that this hurt you because it certainly wasn't meant to. *hugs*

JA Lake: Another article full of crap.

Your fear-mongering is nicely worded though. Once again, you speak big words yet do noting, ;little man.

I endorsed this article before i read it. stupid me.

Jude ran a good race. I hope he tries it again. he was running against WO ....

Name 1 person that could have beaten him.

Late but I voted and endorsed. I hope to see you as SFP PP one day.

I already gave that a try and it brought on a lengthy case of burnout xD