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**Special Edition** Battlereport Day 631
So what happened today so far?
Let me take it from the top.
Why we ordered to ignore the battle in Asturias:
This decision was reached in consensus with our allies.
We knew Asturias was lost the moment France attacked it - keep in mind that PEACE got 16k gold for free the other day and was ready to pour it all into Asturias.
Actually from a practical point of view they've gained 32k gold, because Spain lost 16k.
Every point of damage we would have done in Asturias would have been wasted.
Still we had our Marines standing by the whole time to hit in Asturias if a victory would have come into reach.
We agreed with our allies that they would fight in Asturias, trying to keep PEACE's focus on it, and we would try to win at home in order to go on to the offensive.
This is what separates us from e.g. the Hungarians and their success - even their citizens listen to their leaders and follow orders without questioning them or doing what they please.
Our strategy to go on the offensive
Retreat in Delaware just before Pennsylvania ends and win in Pennsylvania. This way Portugal would have been blocked for 24h.
From here on we could have either retreated Ohio and went on the offensive against Portugal immediately - because of the illogical region alignment and bordering Russia would have been blocked - or tried to win Ohio first and go on the offensive on both fronts.
What happened?
We retreated Delaware and won in PA - when the counter hit 0 we were way up in NML.
But the battle didn't end - the server decided to keep it going. It was going on for another 10 minutes, the whole time way up in NML, until Portugal decided it would be a good idea to attack another region and retreat the battle in PA (already won by us). That way they could stay on the offensive.
The following screenshot clearly proves that we retreated Delaware and won Pennsylvania afterwards, which should result in Portugal being blocked:
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Personally I will report the president of Portugal for violating eRepublik law 6 and 6.1:
6: Each player is required to immediately report any system exploits or critical errors they find to the game support.
6.1: The use of a system exploit is disallowed. Also disallowed is any act which gives you an undeserved advantage against other players
I encourage you to do so as well, if you believe his behavior violated those rules.
Don't get me wrong, this should not serve as public accusation. It will be up to the admins to decide if this was abuse or not.
What else happened?
Besides battles not ending, the admins decided to correct the illogical borders that have been around for years today of all days.
This results in OH finally bordering PA and enabling Russia to be able to further advance, instead of being blocked.
The admins have been bugged for months to fix the illogical borders, but they decide to do it today of all days?!
We would have finally been able to turn the tide in this war - we had a strategy and executed it perfectly, but our plans got destroyed by deus ex machina.
This is not the first time bugs screwed up our plans.. don't get me started on the retreat bug..
How are we supposed to plan ahead and develop strategies if the rules of the game just change randomly through bugs and admin intervention?
€dit: Yes.. I have also noticed that the battle page looks different now..
To everyone claiming the screenshot was photoshopped, here the full version:
Full Screen
€dit2: I want to get this straight - all alliances / sides / players were affected by these bugs today. I did in no way want to hint at favoritism or something similar.
The article was supposed to have 2 paragraphs - one to explain our strategy to the public who deserved to know, and another one explaining why the strategy failed.
Maybe I worded the article wrong - many people got offended and started a bashfest - this was not my intention and please have mercy on me, I don't write articles this often
Furthermore the president of Portugal might only be a victim of these bugs as well - leave it to the admins to decide what is abusive and what not.
Again: All alliances / sides / players were affected by today's bugs and got advantages and disadvantages out of it.
It is in the best interest of all of us if those bugs get fixed ASAP and we can match each other fair and square.
Signed intending to keep the public informed,
Vice-Commandant Lucius "Lucky" Varenus, eUSMC
Let me take it from the top.
Why we ordered to ignore the battle in Asturias:
This decision was reached in consensus with our allies.
We knew Asturias was lost the moment France attacked it - keep in mind that PEACE got 16k gold for free the other day and was ready to pour it all into Asturias.
Actually from a practical point of view they've gained 32k gold, because Spain lost 16k.
Every point of damage we would have done in Asturias would have been wasted.
Still we had our Marines standing by the whole time to hit in Asturias if a victory would have come into reach.
We agreed with our allies that they would fight in Asturias, trying to keep PEACE's focus on it, and we would try to win at home in order to go on to the offensive.
This is what separates us from e.g. the Hungarians and their success - even their citizens listen to their leaders and follow orders without questioning them or doing what they please.
Our strategy to go on the offensive
Retreat in Delaware just before Pennsylvania ends and win in Pennsylvania. This way Portugal would have been blocked for 24h.
From here on we could have either retreated Ohio and went on the offensive against Portugal immediately - because of the illogical region alignment and bordering Russia would have been blocked - or tried to win Ohio first and go on the offensive on both fronts.
What happened?
We retreated Delaware and won in PA - when the counter hit 0 we were way up in NML.
But the battle didn't end - the server decided to keep it going. It was going on for another 10 minutes, the whole time way up in NML, until Portugal decided it would be a good idea to attack another region and retreat the battle in PA (already won by us). That way they could stay on the offensive.
The following screenshot clearly proves that we retreated Delaware and won Pennsylvania afterwards, which should result in Portugal being blocked:
Full size
Personally I will report the president of Portugal for violating eRepublik law 6 and 6.1:
6: Each player is required to immediately report any system exploits or critical errors they find to the game support.
6.1: The use of a system exploit is disallowed. Also disallowed is any act which gives you an undeserved advantage against other players
I encourage you to do so as well, if you believe his behavior violated those rules.
Don't get me wrong, this should not serve as public accusation. It will be up to the admins to decide if this was abuse or not.
What else happened?
Besides battles not ending, the admins decided to correct the illogical borders that have been around for years today of all days.
This results in OH finally bordering PA and enabling Russia to be able to further advance, instead of being blocked.
The admins have been bugged for months to fix the illogical borders, but they decide to do it today of all days?!
We would have finally been able to turn the tide in this war - we had a strategy and executed it perfectly, but our plans got destroyed by deus ex machina.
This is not the first time bugs screwed up our plans.. don't get me started on the retreat bug..
How are we supposed to plan ahead and develop strategies if the rules of the game just change randomly through bugs and admin intervention?
€dit: Yes.. I have also noticed that the battle page looks different now..
To everyone claiming the screenshot was photoshopped, here the full version:
Full Screen
€dit2: I want to get this straight - all alliances / sides / players were affected by these bugs today. I did in no way want to hint at favoritism or something similar.
The article was supposed to have 2 paragraphs - one to explain our strategy to the public who deserved to know, and another one explaining why the strategy failed.
Maybe I worded the article wrong - many people got offended and started a bashfest - this was not my intention and please have mercy on me, I don't write articles this often
Furthermore the president of Portugal might only be a victim of these bugs as well - leave it to the admins to decide what is abusive and what not.
Again: All alliances / sides / players were affected by today's bugs and got advantages and disadvantages out of it.
It is in the best interest of all of us if those bugs get fixed ASAP and we can match each other fair and square.
Signed intending to keep the public informed,
Vice-Commandant Lucius "Lucky" Varenus, eUSMC
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This has to be corrected Admins, we clearly did the right thing battle should have ended and Portugal should have been blocked.
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Um, if you enter the battle for Penn, it shows Portugal retreated.
All the best.
we had the retreat bug too.
and our battles went on forever in asturias and illinois as well, so it isnt just you ~
I'm so glad I don't pay anything to play this game.
Signed.
This game is gay.
Signed
peaceequalsadminamaxx
Can you bring it a bit more lame?
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This is supposed to be a srategy game right? Well how can rules change after one side plans their strategy according to the current rules.
Once again the Admins show which side they support.
To call it a 6.1 is quite the 'sour grapes' category...
Signed.
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>Um, if you enter the battle for Penn, it shows Portugal retreated.
They retreated 10 minutes after the battle was over bro.
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Signed, even if I'm in Indo.
erepublik is God's way to teach America geography
How can Asturias been lost? we was 100k points of damage away from winning for about 2 hours.
USA choose to lose Asturias high iron area, for whatever reason.
It was a EVEN battle. Spain + friends against PEACE.
It seems France as win with -23517
Can't USA do -23517 of damage?
Seriously, PEACE/EDEN/Fortis/whatever. You have to admit the game is bugged. When I tried to log on to fight at the end of Illinois, the servers were down. Changing borders without notice. Retreat bugs. Battles that don't end....
It's not about PEACE v. Fortis/EDEN. It's about how after a year playing this game, its core functions are still bugged. Look at us all. We spend hours of our lives here arguing over a game that has never functioned well. Intelligent and active people that want to be challenged and entertained, but we're looking in the wrong place. The litany of bugs, cheats and exploits will always cloud this game. Blaming the Admins and accusing your opponents of cheating has now become the daily activity of the game.
It's broken. Accept it.
admins fixed the borders today, after some debate. its somewhere on the forums, i cba to find the link
>They retreated 10 minutes after the battle was over bro.
So, if they'd have closed Asturias after you guys chose to fight there, and it was above the wall, would it have still been "zomg haxors!", or would you say how epic it was?
<a href="http://www.erepublik.com/en/wars/show/386" target="_blank">http://www.erepublik.com/en/wars/show/38[..]/386</a>
Nice photoshop bro
Signed. Vote it up!
@Glados: I am not the guy to blame anyone or whine about lost opportunities.
It would benefit both sides if bugs like this got fixed and incidents like this wouldn't happen, don't you agree?
@Quicksilver: Instead of even trying to retreat after seeing that the battle should already be over, he should have reported that the retreat button is still available for the battle.
@DK: You sure are not prone to logical reasoning. And please read the whole article next time before commenting.
We had our forces on standby for Asturias and our orders have been coordinated with our allies.
F... YOU Americans. You are ungrateful dogs! Today you've lost Pole's respekt. We fought in Asturia because We are true friends of Spain.
Why the battle ending times are different from the ones on the war page ?
Didn't even read the article, did you Makcim?
i agree, the border issue should have been fixed prior to having been an issue, by waiting till now to correct it it wrecks whatever strategies that would have been made around those rules.
Dishmcds, quoting here my answer to you from the forums:
"Dishmcds, there is. You are mixing up the sequence of events.
1. The retreat from Delaware happened before the normal end of the Pennsylvania battle
2. The Portuguese president was late to react and thus when the Pennsylvania battle should have closed normally there were no other open battles in the Portugal vs USA war.
3. The Pennsylvania battle went on because of a bug and 5-10 minutes later the Portuguese president attacked another region and then retreated from Pennsylvania
So there's everything wrong with the Portuguese war. If it wasn't for the bug, Portugal would have lost the initiative for 24 hours."
*Awaits the deletion of this article*
Firstly, I disagree with the decision to order American citizens to fight in Illinois rather than Asturias. Although I understand the reasoning behind it, I disagree with it completely for a variety of reasons, none of which need to be discussed because I suspect they already have. The fact that it was coordinated with allies makes me feel slightly better about the situation, but not much.
Secondly, the rest of this article is full of win.
Signed.
I know it's a hard thing to do but...
1. Go to <a href="http://www.erepublik.com/en/wars/show/386" target="_blank">http://www.erepublik.com/en/wars/show/38[..]/386</a>
2. Click on "show finished battles"
3. Check out time of the battles.
Are you OK Annie?
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What You expect form PEACE ?
They took gold which is actually life savings of entire nation, admin said legally - I strongly oppose, because nobody can in real life for example buy 16000 US$ for 35 US$ and make news in newspapers. In real life they can god 5 to 10% as reward.
So it is against 4. Th. ER law IMHO.
So, what You do expect from PEACE ? Fair play and do not make that retreat ? No sir !
So, we will see what will admin do about own BUG huge as house ?
LcfR and Michael Collins the shown sequence of the battles is also bugged. It didn't happen in that order as the war's page now shows.
I was here when Pennsylvania should have ended and Delaware was already retreated by then leaving that battle the only one going.
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Sukoidha
Lt.General eUSMC
>This is what separates us from e.g. the Hungarians and their success - even their citizens listen to their leaders and follow orders without questioning them or doing what they please.
People would listen if you gave reasons, like Chris Willson did. We're not automatons or robots, we're free-thinking Americans. If you want a nation that does as it is told, go to eHungary....
signed and voted
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Yes LcfR, because we all know eUSA retreated Delaware over an hour after Pennsylvania ended, it makes perfect strategic sense.
this game is getting pretty gay. PEACE just takes the fun out of everything.. Not even the best laid plans which legally should of worked didn't because of "bugs"...
Its just a ploy to generate more bodies to play this bugged game. Have the US almost engulfed, so that more new people come and play and generate more hits for the admins so they can get more $$$.
Signed
Dczip
General eTD
Cool story, bro
Not to mention the common citizens of eHungary have enough money to afford weapons.
Admis really support PEACE
ADMINFAVORATISMAXX!!!!!!!
Seriously, guys. First you break our Media Blackout in France, then you screw up our defense of our home, while ignoring a blatant flaw in your war module?
We shall always say:
"The eUS was never conquered in a war against our enemies. We were conquered by Admins, and glitches. We were conquered by border changes, and a retreat glitch."
"Seriously, PEACE/EDEN/Fortis/whatever. You have to admit the game is bugged. When I tried to log on to fight at the end of Illinois, the servers were down. Changing borders without notice. Retreat bugs. Battles that don't end....
It's not about PEACE v. Fortis/EDEN. It's about how after a year playing this game, its core functions are still bugged. Look at us all. We spend hours of our lives here arguing over a game that has never functioned well. Intelligent and active people that want to be challenged and entertained, but we're looking in the wrong place. The litany of bugs, cheats and exploits will always cloud this game. Blaming the Admins and accusing your opponents of cheating has now become the daily activity of the game.
It's broken. Accept it."
This! A thousand times, this!
Peace and Fortis/Eden should really stop fighting eachother long enough to band against the eRep team for allowing this game to fall apart.
"We knew Asturias was lost the moment France attacked it - keep in mind that PEACE got 16k gold for free the other day and was ready to pour it all into Asturias."
Hmmm... well... you were wrong - we needed about 100-130k dmg to save Asturias. USA could easly provide that. But what do I know ?
Signed
super votado
Americans, You and your "super tactics"...
ahh... how much i love the flame wars.
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please ban all ePortuguese players too. is that enough? didn't Emericka fighted too?
OMG IT WAS DEUS EX MACHINA BAN THEM MUTIES!
The photo in this article is not photoshopped in any way. The photo is the image that was displayed earlier. This shows a clear attempt by the admin to try and give no credit to what really happened. The blame cannot be put on our strategists but only on the admin themselves. If the admins keep acting in this way I fear what this game will eventually become in the future.
The fun of this game is getting sucked out by various flaws. Way to go.
Signed
Chris Willson
Deputy Sec of Defense
reported for making false and public accusations
Wow, can we please just stop with all the whining that the admins are biased? I have played this game for a year and a half and I can honestly say its more incompetence then favoritism. Really there have been bugs all over the place since the creation of erepublik and up until now the vast majority of them seemed to help out ex-Atlantis members. Yes these bugs are frustrating and its annoying how they can't get the times right for newspaper articles even but the admins aren't biased.
@Joseph Schmo: Going on the offensive was the best shot we had in helping Spain, helping ourselves and thereby helping our whole alliance - as I elaborated in my article: do you really think the damage of our citizens could have stopped them in Asturias? Be assured they had lots of damage on standby.
@Astra Kat G: We always give reasons as long as giving them doesn't jeopardize our strategies / plans.
It's only common sense that we can't always reveal certain information to the public because of strategic reasons.
@pi_wo: Why should anyone spend more damage than needed? If we had spent the citizen damage on Asturias, PEACE would have spent theirs there, too, instead of in e.g. IL - besides given the fact how much they wanted Asturias to fall and their far greater gold resources, they would have taken it anyway.
Learn the game, get your facts straight, do the maths and apply some reasoning before making any allegations.
@All: This is not about one alliance vs the other or all the other bullshit that daily goes through the media, please don't try to make it about this and stop the n00bish flame wars
And to everyone who claims that the screenshot has been photshopped, here is the original version: <a href="http://img249.imageshack.us/img249/2184/fullscreeny.jpg" target="_blank">http://img249.imageshack.us/img249/2184/[..]y.jpg</a>
Lucius Varenus, the battle ends when a battle ends, and it has always been so on eRepublik. It is that simple. Bugs have supported and hindered _everyone_ on erep and will do so in the future. Blame them. But do not blame someone who was quick to adopt to a situation. Bugs were I am sure reported as soon as they appeared - but until they are fixed, you must act to the best of your knowledge.
Epic comment by Chris Willson above:
"The fun of this game is getting sucked out by various flaws. Way to go."
"reported for making false and public accusations"
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I have to agree with both Desertfalcon and Quicksilver. I remember several bugs that hindered PEACE and several that hindered ex-ATLANTIS. It is not favouritism on the admins' part but plain old incompetence. Really, you just have to take a look at how this game is run and it's crystal clear that they are not up to the task.
I've posted an Open Letter about undoing the OH border change: <a href="http://www.erepublik.com/en/forum/topic/118017/undo-oh-border-change/1." target="_blank">http://www.erepublik.com/en/forum/topic/[..]ge/1.</a>
Changing borders in the midst of a war? This game is becoming a waste of time...
please mention that we had the same problem
@Quicksilver: I guess you are probably right.. Only fools like me play by the rules instead of adapting to obvious flaws and bugs.. just keep e.g. Benn's last article in mind..
And to everyone reporting me - If I get a temp. ban for informing our public and speaking the truth, so be it.
I am not a coward who hides behind orgs when he speaks his mind.
I just find it fascinating how all of you try to make an "PEACE vs. Ex-Atlantis"-article out of this - I have the highest regards for many of my PEACE opponents - e.g. brilliant minds like zoli or glados - and even friends who are in PEACE.
This has nothing to do with accusations of favoritism or with one alliance vs. the other. It is about a bugged game that needs fixing.
It should be in our all best interest to get the game fixed ASAP.
> We're not automatons or robots, we're free-thinking Americans.
> If you want a nation that does as it is told, go to eHungary.
You mean that a private can demand full battle plans and war strategy from his general when he is ordered to attack, and will get full story behind the order?
Funny. No, really.
Does everyone want a tissue? I've got a Q5 box of Kleenex for anyone who needs it.
"this game is gay, poutpoutpout"
Zoli:
Let's be fair, when you had the same problems you all yelled that this is "Adminlandia" that you are being cheated, etc etc.
When the bugs favor you, you should have the honor to admit that. Is that to much to ask?
BTW, nobody fixed borders for Romania in Indonesian war. What would you have said if that had happened?
>We always give reasons as long as giving them doesn't jeopardize our strategies / plans.
>It's only common sense that we can't always reveal certain information to the public because of strategic reasons.
All right, but maybe next time you could at least say there is a plan, instead of taking off any mention of eSpain suddenly and without addressing it. The whole reason I don't plan on joining any branch of the eMilitary, even when I get to be high enough Strength, is cos I'm not the kind of person to follow orders without questioning them. That's the thing about Citizen orders... they're for citizens, not soldiers. If something looks clearly wrong, thinking individuals are going to do something about it.
This applies to Metrix's statement as well. The orders were Citizen orders, not military orders.
seriously guys stop crying, sh!t happens
btw we can see how powerful is the American army (because of the bunch of free-thinkers:)
Longbaugh: Stop being a troll, you idiot. I'll bet your enjoying the fact that Portugal CHEATED to win, and that the Admins went and committed a blatant act of favoritism.
Seriously, man. You were once totally rational. What happened to you?
reported cam94509 for making false and public accusations.
signed
voted and signed
>btw we can see how powerful is the American army (because of the bunch of free-thinkers:)
You're probably not a member of this country, so just so you know, the orders referred to here were Citizen orders and had nothing to do with the military. IF I was a member of the military, I wouldn't be questioning orders or being a free-thinker, because that's counter-productive to winning wars.
@Zoli: Zoltan my old friend, I think you are right.. although I didn't want my article to sound like it, many people think I am whining about or hinting at PEACE having an advantage from this bug.. I didn't mean to and I will reword it to stop the bashfest, thanks
That's not why I felt that way Lucky Anyone with half a brain knew that there was no chance in hell of us winning Asturias. Although now that I read between the lines I can understand it. I guess I just think differently than most people, but now that I read between the lines it is more clear.
It's hard enough trying to muster up *any* strategy when a) the rules changes while playing (e.g. change in borders) b) [well-placed] server bugs allow for exploiting the situation and/or wasted efforts c) a good portion of the population does what *they* think they should do versus accepting that those orchestrating the strategies have a plan and follow them.
>It's hard enough trying to muster up *any* strategy when a) the rules changes while playing (e.g. change in borders) b) [well-placed] server bugs allow for exploiting the situation and/or wasted efforts c) a good portion of the population does what *they* think they should do versus accepting that those orchestrating the strategies have a plan and follow them.
PEACE has been doing fine so far with strategies, maybe your countries just suck at making GOOD strategies :lol:
@Astra Kat G
In times of war there are no citizens
MegaVote for this.
I must agree with DF though. The Admin are not biased, they simply have been stuck playing catch-up to all the problems in the game, and the bugs are increasing their lead over the Admin it seems.
Trichoplax, reported for being an asshole
Seriously, don't u have anything better to do ?
@foksa
I can't even respond to that, except to say that I am an individual, war-time or peace-time.
And to Lucius Varenus, thanks for the explanation. It's nice to finally have some idea of what's going on. I think I keep forgetting to say that.
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Signed, voted.
Enough's enough. I'm starting to see some biased patterns here. It's as if the admins are allowing PEACE to have the upper hand and turn things against us. They need to check themselves.
Yep. Im pissed. I am getting the feeling the admins are not exactly adjusting game aspects impartially.
signed and voted.
@Lucius Varenus
"Why should anyone spend more damage than needed? If we had spent the citizen damage on Asturias, PEACE would have spent theirs there, too, instead of in e.g. IL - besides given the fact how much they wanted Asturias to fall and their far greater gold resources, they would have taken it anyway."
So where is your briliant plan (i guess there is one, if you decide to give up on crucial and only source of iron "in consensus with your allies")? The fact is: Whatever your plan is... IT DOESN'T WORK. Besides, following your logic and amazing mathematical analysis (especially this part "how much they wanted Asturias to fall and their far greater gold resources, they would have taken it anyway") : there is no point in fighting anyway because PEACE has advantage over us, given their ressources, GOLD and population number. So what is the best way? Unreasonably split the damage output of EDEN/Fortis so that every battle is lost... I must say, Ingenious. Yep, apply the reasoning, you say.
favoritism... riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight
The admins need to get their acts together and fix their game.
It's not fun to play a game which basically depends on who can find and exploit whatever holes are in the game first.
Whether it's being able to buy a company with assets worth thousands of gold for a pittance, having game rules changed during a major war, being able to take advantage of war mechanics to block the other side from being able to attack no matter where they're attacked or who's attacking them, or anything else, stuff like this destroys the enjoyment of the game for the average player.
I'm also not trying to cast stones here. I'm well aware that the uses of these exploits aren't limited to one side or another. But the fact is that they're still exploits, and they need to be fixed. And the admins have been and are derelict in their responsibility to do so.
If I thought it was even remotely feasible, I'd call for a strike until the admins got their acts together and took care of all the various flaws and loopholes that have been brought up, which have either been ignored or deferred with statements such as "we're working on it".
O7 Harlot
signed
Justin The Grand-Marine
Signed, K72Wind0maker, Pvt. USMI... I don't care if I'm banned this has gone too far beyond ridiculous to be funny
Stop spending RL money. I know PEACE kids spend their (parents) paychecks on this game, and there are probably a good amount of eAmericans who drop too much coin as well. Paying the Admin allows them to perpetuate all the flaws in this game. Let's play for free, that's the only reason this game is marginally cool.
Signed
Kyler Lee Octan
U.S. Army