[Speaker] Pressing Forwards
Speaker of the House
Greetings eUK, today I want to write quite a lengthy article about the events of last night’s meeting on IRC, and set out my plans for the week ahead.
This isn’t the official report of the IRC meeting, as I was heavily involved in the debates and was simply unable to keep a written summary of what was being said, whilst actually keeping track of what was being said. I would’ve looked back through the logs, but I’m not good with IRC stuff so don’t have it saved. I’m going to get them off somebody else who was there, so don’t worry; the full logs (of things that weren’t sensitive) will be published.
I know that some of you will have seen the Goku Jones quote that I and others shared from the meeting, before sharing the rest of the logs. Please be assured that this is not a bias attempt to smear Goku, I simply judged that what he was saying was so serious that it had to be shown ahead of the rest of the meeting; if you need the full context to that quote, it will be out by the end of today.
As a result of what Goku said, essentially pledging to let in as many Serbians as he could- as a form of blackmail so that we would agree to the kind of citizenship procedures that he wanted. In my opinion, and the opinion of a few other congressmen who were there, this statement amounts to a betrayal of the eUK and it is reasonable to presume him to be working against the interests of our community; he has subsequently been removed from Congress discussion on both PMs and the IRC channel.
Can I just make clear again, this decision was not taken because Goku disagreed with me or because he’s a New Era member, it was taken because I just don’t think its safe to have someone who is so openly working against the best interests of the eUK for his own political gain privy to potentially sensitive congress discussions. I am not an entirely impartial Speaker though, nor do I have to be- I have my opinions on what is best for the eUK, and I see nothing wrong with me airing these opinions like any other member of congress. But no special or harsh treatment is given to anyone or any particular party, I do not abuse my position as has been implied by some.
But in future, I don’t want to have to take decisions such as these unilaterally, and that is why I’m going to be setting up a Congress Committee, which will consist of one representative from each of the top 5 parties (appointed by the PPs) plus chaired by the Speaker.
The function of this committee will be two fol
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To draft guidelines for how Congressmen should act whilst in Congress covering all aspects of Congress; a kind of ‘Codes of Practice’. Agreement on these guidelines will then be sought from the PPs of the top 5 parties.
If Congressmen fall foul of these guidelines, then their misdemeanours will be made public through articles and informing their PPs. If the committee considers their actions severe enough, they can take action against them; for example banning the congressmen from sitting on Policy committees (Which I know don’t exist yet, but they will), or restricting access to Congress discussions.
A particular area of focus for this committee will be Citizenship applications. The committee will look at each one and recommend acceptance or refusal on each one. If Congressmen choose to ignore this and have no valid reason, then action can be taken against them too.
You may notice that I’m not proposing this as legislation, and the reason for that is very simple. This weekend, much of Congress’s time has been spent debating a set of small changes I proposed to the Speaker Act, and I think that there has been such a big fuss over it that any legislation can wait until after these reforms are implemented.
Essentially I’m saying that I want to get a workable system in Congress going before we formalise it, if things don’t work or there are serious issues with things that I bring in, then we can change them and get it right. But at this moment in time, with our Country under threat, we just need to start working and worry about the wording of legislation later.
So, in addition to the committee I've proposed above, this week will see the return of the three policy committees that Lord Farhan tried to bring in last month.
Its going to be a basic form of a committee, as I don’t want to over-complicate the system too early on, we can build on it as we go. So there will be three committees:
Foreign Affairs and Defence (10 people)
Finance (8 people)
Home Affairs (8 people)
You can’t sit on more than one committee, although it is possible to sit on the as-yet-unnamed committee above and a Policy committee. The purpose of these committees is going to be very simple; to make sure that the Government is performing as well as it can in these desperate times. This is Congress’s way of keeping tabs on our esteemed CP.
You can volunteer for your chosen committee using the GDoc below:
https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1ibeZ7eu0D7uSqW9wce2jgc72gyHubjehwePjJ73J2XY/viewform
Right, lets try and get some things done this week Congress.
Cheers if you read it all,
Adrastos
Speaker
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a lot of respect has been lost for you.
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Oooo goodie some committees!!!
Definition of a committee - An animal with 6 or more legs and no brain
sounds like a NE meeting with Dapper and Winnie
NE/TUP what's the difference?
grammer and general use of the English language
Just because someone says I'm working against the country doesn't make it true, here let me try:
"Myself and a few other Congressmen have judged Lord Farhan to be working against the interests of our community."
Now a few of us think this so it must be true. I can go one better though:
"Myself and a few other Congressmen have judged Lord Farhan to be working against the interests of our community, he is from an enemy country: Pakistan."
Now I included a reason, this makes the argument stronger. I could go one better and include evidence but I don't have any, so my statement is probally a load of crap. Since what I said above is exactly the same as what Adastros has said... well you get the picture.
So... I propose that reasons and evidence are included in all future descisions by the government, a new concept I know! 🙂
Also I'm not blackmailing anyone, I'm letting in as many Serbians as possible to offset the all the Poles let in by others. It's happening I'm not threatening it. I will discuss immigration controls if it's done honestly and equally though without the "daddy TUP knows better" kind of attitude that allows them to swell their numbers with foreigners and no one else.
"Hurr but Poland are our allies"... erm... yeah why do you think that is?
does this mean it won't be the usual NE knows what's best for everyone mentality either, which is then normally followed by the 'you're all cheating fag/TUP trolls, multis BS' when you don't get your own way, and finally after all that you bog off to a country that is opposed to the eUK and actively fight against those who remain loyal to the country.
Finally, Adastros was unable to counter my argument in the metting that if we are banning some foreigners then we should be fair and ban all of them equally. If we are banning some enemy countries, we should be fair and ban all of them.
You can't say that Nebjosa (Serbia), Kravenn (Denmark), Farhan (Pakistan), Bohemond (Austrlia), Magicheroes (Poland) are all good since they are in TUP, but Atohnhaketon (Serbia) is bad because he is in New Era. What kind of argument is that?
Now Kravenn is going to swoop in with "I where yellow star?" when actually it's his party and allies asking for just that, I'm open to anyone joining from any country.
Surely it is the timing of when they join that matters Goku? Nebjosa joined us from Serbia when Serbia were allies making it completely fine where as now they are our enemies they could have bad intensions?
However, I am not really sure what the point of this was because I didn't read the article as my head hurts.
Where do you draw the line?
People keep pointing to the USA PTO, they were attacked by people who had been in the USA for months even a year or more because they changed their allies.
What happens if it really is in the best interests of the UK to leave the Poland alliance? Are these Polish players who keep swapping between UK and Polish citizenship going to stand aside and let us?
Having a balanced rather than Poland dominated international population will protect us from this.
I've never advocated a flat ban on any nation, I proposed a committee to analyse each citizenship application on its own individual merits. You then declared this would somehow be bias, and just put 'EQUAL RIGHTS' over and over again
Since you banned me from everything because we disagreed on something, I'm pretty sure that it would be a rubber stamp for some parties and a block for others. You kinda proved my point and never did show any evidence for these PTO claims.
This was only brought to my attention because of the usual political bickering in the media praising one party for something and damning another for the same thing. If people weren't dicks then there wouldn't be a problem.
I'm going to give citizenship to whomever I see fit to give it to and the more political hate is thrown around, the more determined I will be to let ever more Serbians in. If you really want some kind of solution them start looking for a balanced answer (not "we decide").
A committee giving equal say to each of the top 5 parties, I really don't see how you can get much fairer than that. I didn't ban you because you disagreed with me, I banned you because you intentionally flooding the UK with people from a hostile foreign country to further your own agenda.
I would just like to know what kind of agenda Goku would have? It seems to me that he has only been to America, and even that doesn't seem incredibly significant because he is a 5 year old player who has pretty much spent his entire elife in the UK.
eh? No-one let me join the country, I was born here.
The USA had a lot of people move over. How many do we actually have from Poland? This is me actually interested in an actual figure, not using it as an argument.
That is an interesting and valid course to take the discussion. I'm going to guess much less percentagewise but of course I have no stats and don't know, but I am assuming the best case for my opponents.
However there has been a revolving door of UK congressmen letting the same people in month after month, like they tactically come over for elections then go back.
It doesn't matter if most people in Ukraine hate Putin if their President obeys him. Until the riots 🙂
You do not have stats, you seek arguments to have your action and you try to get vengeance. That is your right, but at least you know you are not working for the interest of UK.
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o7 Can't know what happened the last week, but vote. 😉
The logs from last nights meeting, if anyone wants to trawl through them: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1XST30qts6GtftKp3sla1IRjjYbn5zroKFrXtPjPxnCk/edit
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Erm, PTO'ing New Era? Where has that come from? And you have been removed from seeing sensitive discussion, which I omitted from these logs. As a congressmen you will still be voiced on the #HoC.public channel for when Congress discusses public topics.
It's in the logs you posted.
I have never stated that I would PTO New Era
Whoops deleted comment by accident:
"You banned me from congress so I can't see youe New Era PTO discussions, then post them here?" lol
Again, I have never at any point said that I would PTO New Era. Baseless accusations as ever.
Wait so you are saying that we need evidence for our points (there is, look at Reindeers comments)?
So where is your evidence that I said I would PTO the UK? Where is the evidence that New Era is full of multies? This evidence requirement applies to you too?
Where is NE evidence for similar claims that they've made in the past, you can't expect to throw crap without any proof and then demand that people 'MUST' provide proof when they retaliate in a similar fashion, if you're having difficulties with this concept then I suggest all you need to do is read some of Dappers', Winnies' or BA's past articles to help refresh your memory. The one that still sticks in my mind were the baseless accusations that the CP, a TUP one at the time, was stealing money from the country, and in particular re-read your OWN comments
I would like to see the support of our president, congress and major members of the community on these actions. I so far see this as an unsupported attempt of the speaker to take too much power. I say this because I have never seen the speaker act alone on something so monumental. I would also like more than one man to judge Goku Jones's actions unbiasly.
I wonder if they ever considered just debating the issues with EVIDENCE and REASONS.
No wonder it's so draining to debate with me when I don't accept your random slader without evidence (multies, PTOers).
I messaged the President, and this action is supported by him.
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Why can't everyone just sit on one big committee, idk, we could even call it congress?
(had to repost, half of my previous comment got cut off.)