[Ragnell] A TUP Member's Open Letter to TUP
Ragnell
Ohai eUK.
NB: Don’t get me wrong, I don’t like what DC did.
I am a member of TUP who recently joined the party – they sold me their party the best out of anyone (hon’ble mention to ACroc and PCP). However, this whole debacle with DC has made me think, what has TUP done, and what does it need to do?
I’ll have to admit the DC plan was beautifully executed. The stage was set when mwc was elected, and he gave no indication of his plans until right on the 23rd (when DC members started joining), so TUP had no time to prepare a response. While it’s sure to leave a bad taste for many a TUP member, their arguments are also surprisingly logical, and technically mwc has done nothing wrong. He chose the order he so desired, from a list of technically TUP members. How do you define a TUP member? I joined a few days ago, so am I a TUP member?
I’m no DC apologist though. I don’t like their actions. But what surprised me was the TUP reaction, or rather, overreaction. Keers is free to run for PP, it is entirely his right. But the insinuation that other parties are at blame for not offering support etc., and that relations will be cut, doesn’t sit well with me. Is this action (I refuse to call it PTO due to the ambiguity of the situation) the fault of other parties?
Granted, TUP provided support during this ATO against the Shoe People, BUT that is a foreign ATO. If one cares about the UK, then one feels obligated to help in that ATO. The actions of DC are domesticated, PTO or not, therefore other parties feel no obligation to wade into TUP’s issues. Why?
What TUP has Done
1. A disconnect with other parties – eUKers’ apathy and wariness of TUP derives from one thing – the fact we are the biggest party, yet we don’t connect much or relate with other parties. This creates distance. Hence they are not prepared to denounce DC’s actions – because they don’t want to. Some even find it mildly amusing.
2. A perceived God-complex – derived from the above. We are top, by miles, and we have several two-clickers, therefore it is perceived that we feel we don’t need to make any effort to relate with others (ATO was a necessity). We feel we should (and we do) decide most CP elections. TUP has many fine people (I would not have joined otherwise), but the overreaction against the DC actions and the demand for other parties’ support proves one thing – we have lost sight of what it means to support the UK as the largest party.
What TUP Needs to Do
1. A democratic process in selecting Congress candidates – Tiresome and cumbersome maybe. But it does give us a casus belli and justification to wage war in situations like those. Right now, no matter how much we don’t like it, DC have the gist of it – we have no casus belli. mwc has technically done NOTHING wrong, therefore our complaints scatter to the wind. Plus this way is more democratic, even if it’s unenforceable if ignored.
2. Rapprochement with other parties – As said, we have grown distant from other elements of society and retreated into our shell. Hence other parties feel apathy at best, hostility at worst. Sure, we may be politically opposed for various reasons – like for example other parties don’t like our candidates for CP. That’s normal. But when another party doesn’t care one jot while we implode from external intervention, something is seriously wrong. TUP needs to change how it sees society, and start being more open-minded. Even if we don’t have a God-complex, we are perceived to have that. There is always a reason for this perception, and aiming to improve relations means more constructive things done for the eUK.
The reaction of many high ranking TUP members is what I call an overreaction. This state of play will only be for one month. ESO was taken out of commission by SaraHolby – they accepted it, moved on and rebuilt. And arguably her actions affected them more than a few DCers in Congress will affect us.
Accept that we have been hoodwinked, move on and rebuild, instead of arguing that what DC have done is wrong (which is ineffectual) and making sweeping statements on how we will wreak vengeance (which will lead to harmful assumptions). Instead see this as an opportunity to change TUP’s direction and our perception of society. We’ll be fine, but what will we take from this incident – retreat further into our shell, or take the opportunity to be proactive with others and change our perspective on society?
Cheers,
Ragnell
Comments
The article above involve suggestions and only suggestions. If you don’t like DC, vote for another party of your choice. But lets at least take something constructive from this debacle. o7
you are another account of MWG ?
is that the love child of NWG and mwc?
ya know
"Some even find it mildly amusing."
You're right, some of us do, especially as there was no knee-jerk condemnation of the m,wc-led DC PTO of UKPP last year. mwc was a long-term member of TUP until then, so it could also have been seen as a TUP PTO of another party, which Keers, Kravenn & Co were quick to condemn New Era of shortly afterwards.
At least you have suffered daily name-changes .. yet! Come on, mwc, time for the "Pirate Pool Party", surely?
just realised that should be "At least you haven't suffered daily name-changes .. yet!"
No, mwc assured me that DCers who were not time honoured members of The Unity Party would not be placed in our list. That was the betrayal. Sure, we might have overreacted towards other parties in anger, but the point remains: when they were PTO'd it was TUP who stepped in beside them, albiet quietly, and tried to help. Not Dental Corp. We face the same situation and none seem to care, bar the UKRP who I thank for their support.
I don't think any party deserves this, or should face this, even if they are British/eUKers doing the taking over. I can take the whole keep your house in order argument, we were caught out, but we were caught out by our misplaced trust in a long term member of our party.
I also find Mechanics argument stupid. If this was RL, we could meet as a party and vote to remove them. We could also remove members from the party. Sadly, mechanics does not allow this. What determines a party member? Not mere membership in the party. It includes general acceptance from the majority of the party, which none of those DCers have. You, however, do. Same with myself. It is why we still have members in other countries. Membership of TUP is wider than mere party affiliation ingame.
Next month TUP won't be caught out. But other parties may. Thats the sad reality of a UK afflicted by both Serbians and Dental Corps.
Regardless, the reality is that when it boils down to it no-one really has time for us.
It's nonsense that DC are never part of ATO action.
We have carried out this ATO in order to prevent you from PTOing the country again as we do not believe the country can suffer another mind-numbingly dull Bohemond4 CP term, causing people to leave in droves.
Also the only TUP member I even saw in the ATO room last month was Kravenn and that's because he created the room to try and get more recognition as the good guy (what we've come to expect from him).
The efforts were nearly single-handedly led by Ayame Crocodile. Some people staying on all night getting multi voters banned, while TUP remained the least represented party there with Kravenn, their sole representative, offering nothing but ownership of the room.
Maybe you weren't around long enough in the ATO room, because I was there for a last minute vote and I was not the only member of TUP present
I popped in at 7:45 before voting, but that was my only time going on in the morning. Before that I was on for about 12-14 hours until 2 am or so and did not see you there.
It was mainly Ayame organising and Rob the Bruce helping him out with a lot of members from other parties jumping in to ask briefly how to vote. I genuinely do not remember seeing a single TUP member bar Kravenn, but I obviously could have forgotten one or two.
Well, I was there, and I also saw Perry Rhodan. What I do not remember is seeing you, but then I didn't realize I was supposed to be worrying about which parties were helping and which weren't.
I'm sure you don't remember seeing me even though I was talking all day. I have logs if you really want.
I wasn't paying much attention to what parties people helping towards the effort were from either (although I do remember bringing up how TUP having no primary was negligent at worse, and incredibly blase at best.
I don't really care who helped as it was successful, I'm simply pointing out that the way in which TUP helped has been massively overstated for the sake of arguments about the recent situation and the implication seems to be without them the country would have fallen. This is, quite frankly, bollocks.
What did you do when we complained about DC last year?
You allied with them and took their votes and trolling support. Irony Bohemond.
Could you by any chance give a specific example of a person from TUP who helped UKPP after they were PTO'd?
I mean sure the couple shifting to WRP to knock the serbs out of the top 5 was fine, but what about afterwards? We got nothing as far as I can and in the end I was up till about midnight trying to get rid of Serbian multis to make sure nothing bad happened overnight like the election before.
I'm glad at least one member TUP (who isn't in DC) can actually view the situation without bias. This is why we need more new players in the country because they don't worship one side of this many-sided argument.
one member TUP WHO IS OBVIOUSLY MWC , OR an old player.
"If we are to strive as a national community to fend off dangerous foreign PTO threats then it makes a mockery of our collective effort to pull stunts like this at the same time
Sorry fellow DC chaps, this was too far" - Sir Humphrey Appleby, Member, Royal Army Dental Corps.
This guy was a multi and a cheat , this article was spread for propaganda and shows the sicking lengths TUP sink too, it's been going on too long now and some people are so. stupid they fall for it
Do you realise that I have left the eUK now, and I don't really care about what I said over a month ago?
Who's lazarus accout is this anyway?
account*
Its your multi then? :3
tha'ts not the algorithm, it's:
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Oh look. As always, I am right.
nail on the head
PTO's are never excusable, but at least some good may come out of it for you and your party
It's true - it's something to bond over, and a reminder that this is just a game.
Of course he did it was wrote my Keers no doubt and TUP have been caught cheating writing propaganda article conning the UK players again, no shame
nail on the head x 2
Perfect. Some parties don't want to condemn what happened simply due to not wanting to get involved. Then they're being threatened that they will not be supported because of it. It creates a rift which will not be beneficial.
nail on the head x3
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If more TUP members were like you, the eUK would be a better place.
If more were like him their would be no one left!
Excellent article, unfortunately I think the damage has already been done by Leeds for this election period. Everyone get ready to see another Serbian wave.
Voted, may you and the next generation of TUP members lead the party into a renaissance that will be positive for the whole eUK. \o/
https://i.imgur.com/YlO80tG.png - Alice's shout earlier today. OP shows how this is a toxic attitude. Distrust of new players is a great way to kill this game and the eUK. Hail the new generation, hail KieranB etc. in PCP o7
The multiple accounting cheats the ones who destroy the game, not a dislike and wariness of them. Enjoy your point scoring.
Hahaha 🙂
Excellent article!. Those wombles and otters get everywhere!
Before this article I hadn't really understood what the situation was in TUP, I thought it was foreigners PTOing us, but to find out it's just Brits PTOing ourselves that kind of makes this whole situation kind of amusing in a way, partly because of the massive reaction about it. Don't get me wrong, tough spot to be in, but it's not like the fate of the eUK is on the line, like a Serbian PTO for example...
"If we are to strive as a national community to fend off dangerous foreign PTO threats then it makes a mockery of our collective effort to pull stunts like this at the same time
Sorry fellow DC chaps, this was too far" - Sir Humphrey Appleby, Member, Royal Army Dental Corps.
A scathing comment by Apples...
Don't go into technicalities that MWC did nothing wrong. As per eRep rules a CP is free to do whatever he wishes with the country's treasury in organisations. By your logic, ChewChewShoe did nothing wrong and that should also be ambitious then. Also, as far as defining members is concerned, it's purely based on common sense. The Serbians who also joined UKPP a few weeks ago can't be called UKPP people now, can they? Because technically, once again, they are also UKPP by your logic.
You claim we've created distance, that is incorrect. We ourselves asked to vote for UKRP and I've personally shouted to vote for UKRP, PCP or WRP. Anything other than TUP and NE.
Also, to further prove how we're not just an isolated party, we ran ESO with us 2 months ago when they were out of top 5 for congress. Most recently, we ran ESO candidate NWG for the post of country president. Please tell me how we're distanced from parties again?
Furthermore, in almost every cabinet, we've a diverse cabinet having ministers from different parties. I think this should finally put end to any doubts you've that we're isolated.
Oh and, we've also supported Adastros for speaker elections too which further proves what I'm saying.
My logic is rather simple. Stand with us in our time of need and condemn it, and we will do the same. It's a little bit harsh and not very politically correct, but at least we're being honest rather than being two faced (some bad word) which politicians usually are.
Also, you would be happy to know UKRP PP has condemned this action of DC despite being in Dental Corps himself.
To further clarify, despite what Keers has claimed, I do not support a PTO now, whether foreign or domestic, and will not in the future. As far as I will be concerned, I will always stick to that. I'm sure it is also the extreme disappointment which has led Keers to say that and he won't be PTOing anything either.
Don't give much heed to NE or DC propaganda, my lord. 😉
Appleby has to say that so to keep up the ruse...
I sense a CP candidate coming here 😃
Exams till June buddy. Nothing happening till then. 😛