~Message from the Austrian President~
Chicco
Dear Hungarian citizens,
I did not initially want to write this article because I felt it unnecessary. However, I have become deeply troubled by the spin given to recent events by the Hungarian media. Therefore, I now ask for your time to let me explain my point of view. Please vote this article up so it is visible to everyone in your country.
1. The question of legitimacy
First off, the RL background of eRep politicians has frequently been invoked as a measure of legitimacy. Therefore, let me say that I lived in Austria for over 5 years, and only recently moved away. My vice-president, Erwin Kroener, is a bona fide Austrian who has lived in Austria his whole life. Therefore, I believe my administration to have a legitimate say over eAustria's affairs.
2. The need for a union
Austria is not a viable country, largely owing to its small population, and the recent political events go a long way to prove my point. Therefore, Austria needs to enter into a union with one of its larger neighbors, but the question is, with which? Germany is the natural choice. Austrian citizens speak either German or English, and Germany makes a strong effort at accommodating both kinds of speakers. Most newspapers, official communication, as well as their forum are either in English or both English and German translations are provided. This is an extremely important point. Common language will allow us Austrians to participate fully in the political and social life of the union. Language is the very foundation of a functional union. Anything else is just occupation.
Having explained all this, I hope you can understand why Hungary cannot be an option for us. Essentially all the articles in your country are written in Hungarian, and English translations are usually not provided. What's worse, the comments posted by readers are almost always in Hungarian. If Austria joined Hungary, how could we play in this union? We could never have a grasp of internal affairs. We might get elected to Congress but we wouldn't understand anything on your forum. Even if unintended, this kind of union would be indistinguishable from occupation.
For these reasons I have long entertained the notion of a German-Austrian union, even before Germany was restored as a sovereign power. Today I was very happy to sign a contract with Isy, the President of Germany, to realize this union.
3. Negotiations with Hungary
Since the contract between Austria and Germany is the object of your anger, let me explain how this agreement was reached. The original plan was for Austria to declare war on Germany. This would have saved us some gold because declarations of war are cheaper for smaller countries. It then turned out that the resulting 'fake war' between Germany and Austria could provide much needed training opportunities for Hungary's young army. Since Hungary signed an MPP with Germany, Hungarian troops could fight alongside Germany in each of these battles. Since there are three parties to this operation (Austria, Germany, and Hungary), we thought it fair to ask Hungary to shoulder a third of the cost of declaring the war (~80 gold). Bear in mind that due to the MPP between Germany and Hungary, a separate declaration of war between Hungary and Austria would not have been necessary.
This deal would have been a win-win situation for everyone involved. However, the trouble was that I did not have control of Congress. In the last Congress elections a group of renegade Hungarians, led by a vigilante called Silent Bob, descended onto Austria and took many of our Congress seats. You have to understand that Austria is so small, there is no competition for Congress seats! Every candidate gets automatically elected into Congress, regardless of voting.
Silent Bob's plan, as you all know, was to annex our high-grain region and fuse it with Hungary. For this reason he refused to agree to the win-win plan I outlined above. The Hungarian government has denied complicity in Silent Bob's coup, and I asked them repeatedly to try to convince him to accept our joint plan. However, the Hungarian government was either unable or unwilling to convince even a single member of Silent Bob's crew to resign his Congress seat or to signal support for our declaration of war. Thus, our plan to provide training opportunities to your army was foiled—not by us but by your own man, Silent Bob.
The Hungarian negotiators tried to convince us to go ahead anyway, and to propose a declaration of war. I rejected this, and here is why: in order to propose a declaration of war, >200 gold need to be transferred from our government bank into Austria's treasury. This is all the gold we have! If the declaration had been rejected, then all this money would have been at Silent Bob's disposal since he commands a majority in Austria's Congress. He could have used this gold as blackmail against us, or else he could have passed a donate law transferring the money into his own account. By transferring the gold into the treasury I would have issued Silent Bob a license to do whatever he wanted with our entire national treasure. It would have been suicide!
Consequently, I asked the Hungarian side to insure us against this possibility. I asked them to include a clause in the contract awarding us 200 gold in damages should the declaration of war be rejected by Silent Bob. In exchange, the Hungarian government would have received ownership over the gold in our treasury. This would have forced Silent Bob to duke it out with his own government rather than with us.
Well, I don't know about you, but I find all these conditions very reasonable. However, the Hungarian government refused to incorporate this insurance clause. As a result I abandoned the negotiations. And this is the point which has been so utterly misinterpreted in the media. It is not that we didn't want to afford you training opportunities. We would love to! But we cannot do so if it means gambling away our entire national treasure!
4. The issue of Lower Austria
Now, let me talk about the high-grain region. I was initially not opposed to the idea of lending you the region. In fact, I was the first to bring up the possibility, and Quicksilver can testify to this. As before, I saw this as a win-win situation: you have gold but need grain, whereas we have grain but need gold. However, there were two problems. First, lending the region was not enough to placate Silent Bob. Even under these conditions he was unwilling to support an Austrian declaration of war. Apparently, he demanded the regions be permanently merged into Hungary, and without any financial compensation whatsoever for the rest of Austria.
The second problem is that I was having second thoughts about 'giving away' Lower Austria. You might not know this but Lower Austria is home to our capital, Vienna. I don't want to bore you with the importance of Vienna to Austrian national identity, suffice it to say that Austria without Vienna just isn't Austria. These are not simply my personal concerns. I believe the majority of Austrian citizens supports our union with Germany. At the same time, I do not believe the majority of Austrian citizens would support our venture if it meant 'giving away' our capital city of Vienna. Therefore, I decided to take the option of lending out Vienna off the table. As a nation that has lost much of her territory, I am sure you can appreciate the emotional attachment to certain territories. At least I would be surprised and disappointed if you didn't. So, in this light, I kindly ask you to respect our right to national self-determination.
Finally, many Hungarians have voiced their opinion that a high-grain region is essential to Hungary's survival. But we all know that you can import grain, as all of us import other raw materials like iron, wood, and diamonds. In fact, it can be more profitable to import grain and employ your workforce in food companies instead. Exporting food provides gold, and some of this gold can be used to import grain. On the other hand, if your workforce is tied up in grain production, you have fewer workers to produce food for export to other countries. Just do the math. It is a zero sum game. There is no inherent economic advantage to having high-Q raw materials regions.
Moreover, the German-Austrian government shall be happy to sign long-term contracts with Hungary guaranteeing the supply of grain. In exchange, you can export food to Germany. This is why people trade in the first place: everybody specializes in goods they can produce most efficiently, and trade allows these goods to be exchanged between people. Do you need to be a construction worker, plumber, electrician, and farmer all at the same time? No. You become a farmer, and when you need a plumber you hire one. Sorry for these kindergarten analogies, but reading some of the commentary in Hungarian newspapers, I'm not sure everybody appreciates this.
5. Political fallout and future prospects
Finally, given Silent Bob's blockade of our Congress, and given the Hungarian government's unwillingness to include an insurance clause, we went ahead and signed a contract whereby Germany issues the declaration of war. What were we supposed to do? Wait until Silent Bob throws in the towel? This might happen tomorrow, but it might just as well happen next year. I find it impossible to talk to him, and so seems everyone else. It is unfortunate that the current contract does not provide trainings opportunities to Hungary, but unless Silent Bob supports an Austrian declaration of war, my hands are tied.
To make matters worse, Silent Bob launched impeachment proceedings against me. Although his proposal was narrowly defeated, you can imagine that this act was not exactly conducive to our negotiations and completely poisoned the political atmosphere.
Last but not least, let me remind you of the friendly relations our two countries have enjoyed in the past. Although it is a long time ago, Austrian solders did shed blood on Hungarian battlefields. I may have only eight fights on my C.V., but those were racked up in the Hungarian war against Romania. Moreover, our countries are officially allied through PEACE. Let us not gamble away this history of friendship and cooperation on account of one man's stubbornness.
I sincerely hope that our relations can be restored to what they once were.
With best wishes,
~Chicco
President of Austria~
Comments
Zoli
Lets all say Thank You to Silent Bob! Not!
A miniszterelnök úr engedélyével a cikk fordítását még a mai nap folyamán olvashatjátok magyar nyelvben.
http://www.erepublik.com/en/a[..]/1/20
-> Interview Kovacskokoval (Ex-külügyminiszter) a kialakult Osztrak-Magyar konfliktusrol. Friss. Érdemes megnézni / Vote.
Üdv: Sturmwehr - Vox Hungarica II szerkesztőség
Torgo believes in the honesty of Chicco's dealings. Torgo confirms that what he has seen privately matches what is spoken publicly.
Chicco has found an honorable path for eAustria.
Well, I tried. [shrugs]
I did propose an insurance clause but you rejected it. I was cooperative all the way through, even to the point where my people did not agree to it. Now, your country's fate is in your and Germany's hands - I wish you well.
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Your "insurance clause" was limited to asking admins to somehow recover the gold -- how this would have been possible after Silent Bob funneled it through whatever channels he so desired is unclear. It is also unclear how long this would have taken. My guess is weeks.
The facts are all on the table, and can be reviewed here:
http://www.erepublik.com/en/forum/topic/87320/contract-between-germany-austria-and-hungary/1
Where is the insurance clause, Quicksilver? Show it to me. Because I honestly cannot find it.
wow...thx bob :/
what Gold Chicco?
Austria does not have any gold.
You gave ALL Austria's gold away to Germany.
Austria's 257 Gold given to Germany, just few hours ago.
I don't usually respond to Hrvat's posts but since this may be of general interest:
The gold was transferred after we broke off negotiations with Hungary, and a direct consequence of the impeachment proceedings, which forced me to act for fear of losing control of the Bank.
Again, you do not have to take my word for anything. All the facts are on the table:
http://www.erepublik.com/en/forum/topic/87320/contract-between-germany-austria-and-hungary/1 (contract missing the insurance clause -- posted 1 day ago)
http://www.erepublik.com/en/forum/topic/87395/agreement-between-germany-and-austria/1 (contract calling for the transfer of gold to Germany -- posted 11 hours ago)
I know that you are craving to find whatever evidence you can to incriminate and destroy me. But I can assure you, you won't find it. The events unfolded exactly as recounted in my article above.
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BTW, I find it curious that exactly the same comment was posted, then removed, by another user. Is that your fake?
Iam suporting chiccos plan!
who the hell is this silent bob?
"in case of negligence admins should enforce this payment."
The usual way. If you do not trust admins to return the money, then why would you have trusted me or Hungarian government? The clause that you wanted, that the Hungarian government would have to pay 500 golds in case of your congress not voting the war was ridiculous.
I guess you never really wanted this 'side-deal', which is understandable, but then you should have said so and save me a few hours that I spent with well after midnight negotiations. I guess you do not trust me/us, but then no amount of insurance clauses would have been enough to you.
Interestingly enough I could make an agreement with dsalageanu (Romania's president, whom we are at war with) without a written contract and insurance clauses, and whatnot, and we have kept it since. Of course it has no bearing to your matter, I just say it as a comparison, as to what can be achieved if the negotiating partis talk honestly and trust each other.
I think that it will not be the case in relation with you in the future.
I think Chicco and the German president didn't understand fully this situation. We need the high grain region, and we kindly ask you to give us. You and the German president refused this. Ok, then we would ask not so kindly. It's very easy to find 200-250 disturbed Hungarians who happily moves to Germany-Austria and votes for a Hungarian president. So, think about this, choose the peacefully way and give us that high region.
Here it goes again. Threats like: "We are so many!!!". If you can do this, then why are you worried about all this situation? eh? Just wait and all high grain regions in eWorld will be controlled by Hungarian presidents.
This is not how it works my dear enemies!
"in case of negligence admins should enforce this payment."
This is what you call an insurance clause? This is putting your faith in admins enforcing contracts. Admins with a very lackluster record of enforcing contracts, that is. Give me a break!
"The clause that you wanted, that the Hungarian government would have to pay 500 golds"
That is a patent lie. As far as I recall I asked for the same amount of gold required to propose the declaration of war, exactly as described in my article.
"If you do not trust admins to return the money, then why would you have trusted me or Hungarian government?"
Admins have a lackluster record of enforcing contracts and they are extremely slow to boot. And you know this full well. I suspect that you didn't mind seeing us trapped in a vulnerable position where Silent Bob could have been easily blackmailed us into more favorable terms. (I don't have evidence for this! Just my suspicion!)
"Interestingly enough I could make an agreement with dsalageanu (Romania's president, whom we are at war with) without a written contract and insurance clauses, and whatnot, and we have kept it since"
I can and would be very happy to make an agreement with YOU! I cannot trust or make agreements with SILENT BOB! Don't you see the difference? I did not ask for insurance from you. I asked for insurance from Silent Bob. Why is this so difficult to grasp?
Chicco, you have proposed to donate 54 Golds from the state treasure and Silent Bob has told us to vote yes! We have voted it: http://www.erepublik.com/en/Austria/law/3306
Silent Bob is a political adventurer, but not a criminal!
And Quick, stop whining about negotiations "well after midnight". Should I tell you about all of my time that is being wasted here? And trust me, I have a bigger RL workload than you.
"BTW, I find it curious that exactly the same comment was posted, then removed, by another user. Is that your fake?"
😃 😃 Here we can see some great Hungarian numbers 🙂
"Silent Bob is a political adventurer, but not a criminal!"
And this is why he impeached me for no reason and clogs our legislative system will all sorts of pointless and destructive proposals?
Again, no need to take my word for it. All the facts are on the table:
http://www.erepublik.com/en/Austria/country-administration
Click through the proposals. Is this something you would like to see in Hungary?
Impeachment is a political act, donate could have been stealing. Impeachment was proposed for the high grain region. In this way we could have been declare war against Germany from our own gold and we would have kept Burgenland. That's the difference!
You are not an opponent of Silent Bob. You hate him!
OK, I have to leave for work now. I think I have said everything that needed to be said, and I sincerely hope the Hungarian citizens will see the events of the past few days for what they are.
As for Quicksilver, I can only reaffirm what I already stated time and again: your "insurance clause" was no insurance clause at all. It was simply putting faith in admins to recover gold that may have long disappeared once admins even showed interested in our case.
Your analogy with treaties between Romania and Hungary completely miss the point. I do not and never did seek insurance against the state of Hungary. I sought insurance against the individual Silent Bob, who has only demonstrated recklessness und unreliability. Your refusal to insure us against him speaks for itself.
No, it is not a lie. It was proposed during the negotiations and i flatly refused it - for it was ridiculous. I guess I lost taste for the whole thing then.
As for Silent Bob, even then, during the negotiations, I pointed out the donation vote, started by you, where he complied with you and voted the law. You saw Mikrobi agreeing fully to you and Germany's position to.
[shrugs]
There is no use crying over spilt milk. This matter is finished as far as I concerned, you signed contract with Germany, will join and disappear from the map. End of story. Next president of Hungary will have to deal with Germany being our western neighbour and that is it.
Chicoo. I Think you should rest now. With arguments that eHungarians are stating, you will have to give same answers again again and again. It will be pointless and needless to prove them something.
Nagyon király cikk kár hogy az egész nyálas hazugság, aki érintett vagy fent van chaten ugy is tudja a teljes igazságot és nem hisz el mindent ennek a fasznak .
Chicco, congratulations🙂 You have slandered Bob with intention of stealing and when someone faces you with the truth, you "have to leave for work".
Anyway, yesterday morning I have declared to support the trilateral contract both in a PM to you, Isy and DKN, and in an article.
Ohh, Quicksilverrel egymást támogatjuk, ebből még szerelem is lehet🙂
@Chicco: First, this is not the real world. Second you absolutely don't understand our situation. Austria and partially Germany was our allied. We are short of regions, but Germany has more than it can handle. We started the negotiations about transferring two regions as friends. You refused to transfer those regions, but you give all Austria to Germany? What is the conclusion? Neither Austria or Germany is a real ally of us. We were friend when we we fight for freedom of Germany, but when we are in short, and ask for some help, we got nothing. That's the truth.
So what if Silent Bob votes yes on that one proposal? How can I know this isn't just a ruse to lure me into putting all our gold into the treasury? I mean, c'mon, how naive do you think we are?
There is a very simple logic here: if you guys are so sure that Silent Bob would have approved of the declaration of war, why not agree to even a 500 gold insurance clause (although I never asked for 500 gold!)? I mean, it can't hurt you, right? If Silent Bob votes to approve the declaration, the insurance clause would never trigger. Hence, it would be irrelevant.
Your refusal to implement an insurance clause just demonstrates your own lack of faith in Silent Bob! But you expect us to take on 100% of the risk of Silent Bob rejecting the declaration while you accept none of it? How stunningly unfair is that?
Finally, just a note the Hungarian 'on the street': we are still 100% willing to implement the union in a way that would allow Hungary to train. As before, there is a single condition: bring Silent Bob under control or insure us against his unpredictable behavior. That is all we have ever asked for. In fact, I am even happy to give you the training for free, no gold needs to be paid, if only you remove Silent Bob and his grunts from our Congress!
@Lanix Hungary: I don't "give" any region to Austria. We are forming a merger of equals, a union to be called Germany-Austria. Please, read my article, for god's sake!
@Mikrobi: I want to see that PM! I certainly never got it! Post it here!
There is some personal thing is inside, but I send it to you vie PM again.
@Lanix Hungary: You convince the Austrian population to give you Lower Austria and you get it. Is this a deal?
Publish articles, make a referendum. I will not interfere with it. If you get a majority among the Austrian population (not just Congress!) I hereby solemnly pledge to do everything in my power to support the transfer of that region to Hungary.
Just don't unload your dirty work on me. Who am I to play Hungarian lobbyist in Austria? I am not going to force anything upon the Austrian population. If you secure a majority, I shall fully support the popular will.
Excerpt from Mikrobi's PM:
"P.S.: I've just heard that the contract was cancelled because the government found a cheaper solution. It's not as advantegous for Germany as the former version would have been, but more fair."
So you are voicing your support for a contract that wasn't even on the table anymore. What does that prove?
The contract they killed is this one:
http://www.erepublik.com/en/forum/topic/87320/contract-between-germany-austria-and-hungary/1
And instead they replaced it with one demanding LA to be rented for 50 gold/month. A different issue entirely.
Also, of note, I never ever heard from Silent Bob whether or not he supports any of these plans.
Chicco and maaris:"BTW, I find it curious that exactly the same comment was posted, then removed, by another user. Is that your fake?"
😃 😃 Here we can see some great Hungarian numbers 🙂"
First, I am not Hungarian.
Second, have you never heard of ORG's?
Originally, I posted my comment under ORG's account... So we are donated entire Gold from Austria's treasury so that Austria can become Germany.
I never saw that discussed before the Congress.
Well, at least you solved the Gold problem in Austria.
We shall not have to defend the Gold, because Austria now does not have any Gold.
Well done.
"Originally, I posted my comment under ORG's account..."
Dammit 😉
"So we are donated entire Gold from Austria's treasury so that Austria can become Germany."
Yes, yes. And Germany will pay 400 gold to conquer 8 regions. So stop complaining.
"I never saw that discussed before the Congress."
You're so right. I should have called a debate on this to allow Silent Bob's impeachment to kick in so I would officially lose control of the Bank. Boy, that's a great suggestion. Would you also suggest inviting Silent Bob and his 17 grunts to this debate and giving them voting rights?
With few exceptions (begun, etc.) I had the full support of the truly Austrian population, and the evidence for this is the failure of Bob's impeachment proposal.
And even if I didn't... the alternative would have been driving Austria into Bob's arms, who would have swiftly fused it with Hungary. The answer to the question of whether Austria fits better with either Germany or Hungary is so self-evident (see article above), I don't need approval to make that call. That falls into my realm of authority.
"Well, at least you solved the Gold problem in Austria."
Indeed. Once and for all. No need for Hrvats anymore to steer Austrians through treacherous waters. I know that is a blow to your ego, but please understan😛 even your genius could not have averted disaster forever.
Soon we shall have a joint, safe, and secure treasury that will be filled with our hard earned gold. And I know the success of this venture will irk you. But I am sure you can think of something to derail it.
Can we come closer to an agreement if we somehow force Silent Bob and his guys to resign: If only a few of them?
@Tóth TamÃ&: Absolutely! That's what I begged Quick to do: to either switch some of these guys to our side or at least have them resign.
Chicco: First, we don't quote PMs. If so, quote the full original.
Second, what you've quoted was only a post scriptum. In the body of my PM I let you to know that I supported the "killed" contract. I didn't understand it on the debate's night. If I haven't maintained my point of view, I wouldn't attached a PS to my mail, but would have erased the body.
You are not honest, I'm getting better convinced about it minute by minute.
Chicco you are trying to criminalize the game.
In eworld the wars boosting the population growth, the economy, everything. Unfortunately our current political elite did not understand anything about it and their politics pushed the country into catastrophe. And still they are playing RL Hungary's weak small boy politics despite we are one of the largest nations in eworld - the result is obvious.
So far they had made mistakes after mistakes - we had 2 regions remained, and a depressive people as a result of it.
But these were only mistakes.
With the current contract they made the common opinion is that the president and goverment nastily betrayed Hungary and ignored the will of people. They will be replaced soon by a very determined president who has balls and will not fear to act firmly and wont betray its people.
So I strongly recommend you again to think twice this issue before we seize Burgenland with military power. In this case your Germans will not disturb us too much, we will wash them away with force.
This is your last chance to act wisely.
You should understand 1 point. If germany take you away from Peace to Atlantis is a treat for us. We just can't let that happen. Germany right now is not part of any alliance. There is a chance that Ger will go to ATLANTIS. So you become our enemy. We don't want that. For us the battle is more important than the high grain region.
If you make sure Germany will become our ally than i think the relations can be restored.
BTW this is a strategy game. SilentBOB TO is not a bad decision from a point of view. Maybe he want to restore the MONARCHY.
Ruzsasandor: "So I strongly recommend you again to think twice this issue before we seize Burgenland with military power. In this case your Germans will not disturb us too much, we will wash them away with force.
This is your last chance to act wisely."
Szun-ce sai😛 "A wise emperror hate war."
If you fight everyone you will die soon.
Full original:
"Dear Chicco,
I would like to thank you very much your kindness that you explained the contract last night. Quicksilver didn't say anything, even for her representatives. The debate yesterday was because of our lack of information and because she doesn't regard her people partner. You, Isy and DKN di😛-)
Thank you once more and I hope we could cooperate in the future, to😇
Mikrobi
P.S.: I've just heard that the contract was cancelled because the government found a cheaper solution. It's not as advantegous for Germany as the former version would have been, but more fair."
"BTW this is a strategy game. SilentBOB TO is not a bad decision from a point of view. Maybe he want to restore the MONARCHY."
These kinds of comments are exactly why this debate has become so inflamed, and why Austrians have lost faith in Hungary. To support TO of your ally is the lowest of the low. Through such comments you disqualify yourself as a dependable partner.
My only remaining hope is that your kind is in the minority in this country.
And, Mikrobi, sorry for posting the PM, but if you accuse me of taking things out of context, I am forced to.
If you want me to delete these posts, let me know. But you first have to publicly state that you never signaled support for a proposal while it was actually on the table. That is the pivotal point here.
My policy is: put all the facts on the table and let everyone decide for him/herself. That is what I tried to do through my article, and subsequently through these posts.
VerWolf:
You are right about Atlandis I almost forgot.
Therefore all Austrian regions must be liberated by us before the oppressing Atlantis takes his dirty hands on it!
The president of eAustria already started to steal the treasury, we must stop him and get rid of him to stabilize the peace in Austria!
Two comments aswell on this threa😛
1) Germany and Hungary are friends, there is a MPP that is valid at least another 15 days
2) Everyone who seems to think that regions are somehow "needed"....this is nonsense. The number of regions are completely irrelevant in this game. The concept of "space" doesnt exist in eR
From the full original everyone knows that I would have gone in the contract. And I'm still willing...
From the full original everyone knows that I would have gone in the contract. And I'm still willing...
I didn't say i support the TO. But it is a move the game offer.
And i don't understand why the original "contract" was rejected.
I mean the fight for us is more important than the high-grain region.
And i don't know why our government want to buy that region for 50g/mounth. Is not worth it. But im not in the congress. I can't say what i want as 3000 other ehun people. 😛
Ruzsasandor: Yes. We cannot let that happen. But right now using force is the worst move we can do.
This is the way to push Germany to Atlantis.
Right now we should take the fight offer, get stronger, and get back our original high region...