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Consider the gauntlet thrown Oinyo....

ya cause MDP members have been real good with not leaking stuff recently...

You're referring to one member. A member who hasn't been proven to be the original leak. I'll admit that Leo is a suspect, but there are lots of unanswered questions about that case.

Double standards Connor? When it comes to your own member you are quick to put forward excuses, but when it came to those "totally legit" fabricated PMs with CPF members we were guilty as charged.

Auk, may I remind you of these perfectly legit logs you leaked? http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/breaking-news-pre-election-day-bombshell--2336727/1/20

I'll help with the food ~_^

The target is the million dollar question. Does Atlantis really exist?

We would be stupid to step on any toes right now when we are waiting and hoping for major movement on the alliance front. No one can predict what will happen so it is best to keep our options open. We could just end up snookering ourselves.

at least you'll have eNL by your side 😉

And in us... What?

let's not forget the Swiss as well 😉

This is why eCanada is always an afterthought in alliances. We bring no new ideas to the table. Sometimes you have to take a risk.

We took a risk nearly a year ago and got spanked for 8-9 months.. It has been JUST under 2 months since we got our land back and you want us to risk losing it already..

Not only that.. You want to show the world we are so unstable we are willing to risk the land we RENT to 2 other countries as well for our own selfish wants...

I dont even know what that want is.. All we would do is piss of a country who "may" have friends in TWO that would in turn come spank the hell out of us again...

Why would ANY alliance want an unstable country like that with them?

What's unstable about having your country ready to use all game mechanics when an opportunity arise? Why not be ready for all options instead of leaving ourselves in a position to fail?

I'm not against new idea's, I'm against stupid ideas. How does starting a war for no real reason get us any closer to a new world order of alliances? This is not an idea with any strategic thought or goal behind it. We are an afterthought in alliances because we are of little strategic value because of our population size. It has nothing to do with our ideas and doing stupid things like this won;t endear us to anyone.

Air strike Poland \o/

haha

Touche, we will see.

In all seriousness, an AS is not a top priority now, especially with the dissolution of CoT. Talking to nations around the eWorld and boosting our domestic activity should be a forefront this month

Don't get me wrong, I'd love to fight some redcoats etc. but with most countries on our side wiped, we need to choose the right target. I just believe that this is something we should think of but not necessarily execute right away.

So what you're saying is the administration is so unimaginative that they can't create relations with another country or group of countries?

No sir, I am not saying that at all. All I said is that it needn't be our top priority this month with a host of other things to do.

You're right. Our top priority should be to sit around and watch the world move on without us.

All you can take out of my arguments are the negatives? I thought you were better than that Connor, how will the world move on without us? Do you think the administration just focuses on one thing? I don't see how not using an airstrike lets the world move on without us

And I thought you had more imagination klop. Airstrike is a tool. If we're not prepared (in a war game no less) to go to battle with all tools at our disposal, who will look at us as a serious ally?

So.. Lets see.. Does an alliance want a growing country that is getting bigger and stronger.. Takes its time and strikes with others at a good time decided by its people?

Or one that wastes an incredibly huge amount of resources on pointless air strikes just 2 month of coming back from a 8 month wipe.....



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Seriously?

I think we can already be considered a pretty good ally in terms of letting eNL and eSwiss rent land to avoid wipes. This argument is spiraling to a moot point now.

Let's make a deal then, so the world doesn't move on without us, if you convince Oinyo of a good target/pay for food, I will do everything in my power to amass support required. I said in my first post that it shouldn't be a top priority but putting the name of MDP and rules to it doesn't make anyone want to increase it's importance either.

Granted Klop, at this point we wont join TWO because of enemies in it and any new alliance to show up after COT has died isn't in a position to refuse any extra firepower. We pretty much own the spot in an alliance.

If Connor wants to talk shit I say lets airstrike why not Connor says its a good idea and supposedly has the perfect target that we can win agasint. If we lose and get wiped then I think we know who Canada's number 1 most hated will be.

Air Strike UK ? 🙂

We aren't going to jail, why in such potential times of building new relations would we go out and strike a country? When training MMA, anyone who came to our gym and tried to act tough to "prove" themselves ended up looking like an idiot, regardless of their strength. We should approach everyone with a potential to learn from and build relations with. Or is this just the MDP feeling left out?

This isn't MMA, this is a game locked in stasis. Any parallels you try to draw to real life are invalid.

What clear gain would we get from ASing a country without any/much support at all?

Sure we could AS eUK or into the Nordic area but we're outgunned and like you say we're stuck in a game locked in stasis. Until we see a change I can continue to draw "what if" statements for each side of the argument.

Good one Connor, glad to see you couldn't come up with an actual reason and instead just reverted to saying this isn't real life...

We can't attack anyone cause we're small. We can't create a new alliance because we're waiting on others. We can't get our land back because eSpain won't let us. We can't, we can't, we can't

I get it. Let's sit on the sidelines and not ask the girl to dance. She'll just say no anyways.

-Says we should not draw on real life examples
-Does so anyways
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Well Connor, I'll be happy if you negotiated a deal to get those regions back from Spain cause unless you want to really pour RL money on it we won't be getting them back through fighting.
Alliances as you know are not formed without a big strong country backing it up, what do you think is happening no, after CoT?

Can't can't can't....won't won't won't is all I hear as a response. Oinyo asked to talk about an Airstrike and the only response from the CPF and CW is "no". Parties devoid of ideas.

Not like I see a lot of MDP support here...

Your points don't refute mine. they've just shifted to attacking parties

There's nothing to refute klop. The arguments against are. No. Our allies say no. Have we asked them? Do we have a plan? All I'm offering here is to arm a tool and to start figuring out how best to use it. I'm forced no time frame, I've fingered no target. I'm saying lets show we're a nation that can be a valuable ally and that we're ready to go when the right situation comes along.

Yes we've asked allies before...

Anyways we're spiraling down the same road as above. I enjoy debates but will not "argue" per say about the validity of points.

er, validity of arguments. not points obvs.

You're right. Let's go back to talking about immigration policy, and tax rates, and blacklists. That's the riveting type of talk that will attract/retain players.

What? Did you want me to refute your last point then? That's not what I meant but ok continue on. Not arguing over validity means nothing about stopping the debate. I was saying I will not argue why or why no the arguments presented were good/bad based on premises etc.

I'll repost what I said above:

Let's make a deal then, so the world doesn't move on without us, if you convince Oinyo of a good target/pay for food, I will do everything in my power to amass support required. I said in my first post that it shouldn't be a top priority but putting the name of MDP and conditions to it doesn't make anyone want to increase it's importance either.

Adde😛 It's funny if any other party did the same thing, MDP would be up in arms

TheSmoke. You're argument is invalid. There's nothing for me to respond to. If it helps, you seem to have a very narrow view of what my suggestion is. Try to think in broader terms.

want an advisor? better call leo

to bad Leo abandoned ship, I would have appreciated his MDP influence during this time

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I am going to say it once and I am going to say it politely.

You want us.. eCan.. Who JUST got back their land and has 2 countries depending on us to be stable enough to honor our rental agreement with them.. To risk everything in an airstrike...

Against someone you wont share..

So you want to lurk in the shadows and without a single go ahead from eCan start a war with a mystery country that could lead us into a war or a long term feud.


Worst of all is you are talking on behalf of the entire MDP...

Sigh.. No Connor.. I was elected to stabilize the country and to grow us.. Your plan of wasting all our resources into an airstrike to start some war somewhere is NOT going to happen no matter how angry you get.

You were not voted in. I was... And i wasnt put in to bully other countries and risk our dependents..
Let me and my cabinet continue Addys work and run this country with some shred of respect.

You went to great extents to play up your connections around the eworld. You're stuck in the old paradigms Oinyo. We need new ideas.

When did an Airstrike become a new idea?

You're smarter than this Smoke. Airstrike is a tool. How and why you use it is where we need to expand our minds.

Connor.. Your willing to risk our allies, Our land and the 2 countries renting from us over hitting a country somewhere..

One that for all we know may get TWO to come at us..

You are right about Smoke.. he IS smarter than this.. Your idea is absolutely terrible and has zero positive outcome..

I am baffled as to why you are pushing this so much.. Who do you hate so much you want to risk everything to declare war on?