[Lunacy] A further response
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To begin with, let me follow up my previous article here by outlining and responding to a few points. First and foremost, there is no 'group' that cares which party the elected President comes from. As I said in the article, and as I have said many times, and will say again until I'm blue in the face: the party the President comes from has no bearing on his ability to govern. His decisions, his way of governing, and his general competence are the sole measures. And these are the reasons why I wrote that article.
Firstly, I want to dispell this myth that TWO are at fault for some of the previous mishaps, notably, the 'Azores plan'. BigAnt himself acknowledges the planning stage here. As I was in Government at the time, this involved TWO approaching us to outline what they had planned. At first I and MoFA Frerk said no, it was too late and a bad plan, and there was no benefit to the UK taking part in something that would fail. BigAnt as President (and as is his right) overruled us and agree
😛he then spoke with TWO to organise this. However what was made clear throughout was that this was a secondary aim and priority for TWO. There were other more important priorities elsewhere, so the main source of damage for these wars was to come from the UK.
Anyone who tries to say otherwise is simply ignoring a truth for convenience. Then, we have the Canadian retaliation for our invasion. This was never mentioned in the discussion for the Norwegian war as a possibility, yet when it happened, BigAnt took no responsibility and mentioned it simply in passing, that it was to be 'expected'. YOu can see that here. If it is to be expected, (and I should add here, when discussing with a member from TWO HQ yesterday the way forward for the UK, he made it abundantly clear that having the UK with more than one front was unacceptable), then something doesn't quite add up.
If Norway was a TWO sanctioned plan, and it was 'expected' that Canada would invade us, why the day that Canada attacks us, does TWO HQ declare that the UK having two open wars would be a damage drain from other more important fronts? If TWO has more important fronts, would they really have sanctioned or suggested this plan?
This simply does not add up. BigAnt also talks about speaking with Russia - if this is the case, why did no-one in his Government know about these talks (not to mention the war with Norway itself), why did TWO HQ not know about this?
Again, it simply doesn't add up. There are too many questions, too many holes, and quite frankly, all that we need right now is someone or something else to blame: either a trip to the pub or someone who is an easy target, lets say Iain Keers for example, and this mess is basically an exact copy of the mess we had when we annoyed Belgium and Ireland in the space of a few days.
The responses to my previous article didn't just stretch the truth, they directly contradicted it, and the ease with which BigAnt and certain ministers are able to gloss over their past mistakes and actions and claim they're being unfairly targeted, quite frankly, is worrying.
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HOWEVER, we are at war. That war and the situation we face is a direct result of the actions BigAnt himself has taken, and any money we lose, any regions we lose, any negative effect that comes from this lays squarely at BigAnts door. Why? Because TWO did not tell BigAnt that he must NE Norway. He told TWO that we needed war, and wanted to invade Canada. As TWO has a lot on right now (lots of campaigns vs Romania, Macedonia vs Greece, and a potential move against Croatia, as well as Poland having some RW issues), he was told that it wasn't a good idea to NE Canada.
As in the meeting BigAnt made it clear he wanted UK war (although I should add, since the meeting things had changed, hence the stance TWO took that Canada was not a good idea), so there was no order; but rather, they said if he has to NE someone, it should be Norway not Canada. There was no TWO order, there was nothing other than BigAnt requesting war after it being 'quiet' (despite at the time it being a week or so since the last TW with Ireland).
So to summarise, the facts just do not match up with what BigAnt says. Either he intentionally invaded Norway knowing that Canada would invade, and ignored what our allies asked (for no big wars to drain damage), or he was so desperate for war that he didn't even think about Canada and was outwitted by a nation that is hardly known for its tactical prowess. His accounts that this was TWO mandated, or TWO ordered, are not true: ask TWO HQ yourself if you wish. Their exact words: there was no "order" or "permission". (Its normal practice in an alliance for countries to approach HQ, as BigAnt did, before opening a war to make sure it doesn't put other wars at risk of being lost.
PS: when we were being attacked from Canada, and BigAnt opened a battle for Sorlandet early, this yet again contradicts his account. (if the plan was really to wipe Norway, it makes sense for such a battle to be started later, when Wales was closed - this would mean we can focus both on Wales, and then when that has finished, Norway).
The future, is for BigAnt to solve this mess. Whilst an impeachment was in my opinion not the best way, it went up. It should have waited until BigAnt actively responded to the situation. Leaving us completely in the dark about wars and approaches is not in itself deserving of impeachment: but having a government that you don't tell anything defeats the purpose of even having ministers. So BigAnt - in the future, please be honest about your plans, actually tell your Government and ministers what is going on, and most importantly, dont blame your own misjudgements and failures on TWO.
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The following explanation, in image form
The plan now that we have a war with NL, Norway and Canada, should be to focus on the Canadian front. Netherlands only border our Norwegian region of Vestlandet, so the best solution would be for us is to do the following;
If Norway attack Scotland (their only possible attack, should the Netherlands attack Vestlandet, which is their only possible attack), we should if possible try to win. This is because if they do win, they have more regions they can attack because Scotland broders other UK regions.
The plan would then force Netherlands to attack Scotlan
😛if we lose that battle, it would cut off the borders that we have with Norway, meaning that war closes. Then all we need to do, is win the next battle against the Netherlands, to stop their advance. After that battle, we will have to start a Resistance War in the Norwegian region of Vestlandet, that we lost previously to NL. Once that is returned to Norway, NL have no chance of getting to us, provided we can win back Scotland. This, we will have two chances at. First, BigAnt will have an option to attack it directly. However, if we should fail in that, we can move 10 people to Scotland, and when the direct battle closes, we can start a Resistance War.
The reason I talk about Resistance Wars, is because the Netherlands are a small nation militarily, and thus it will be somewhat easier for us and TWO to take regions off them than it would be other nations, such as Canada. Once we have that, we will have closed the Norway and NL wars, thus, we are left with the Canadian War.
However, a foresight on BigAnt's part, is that Norway will always border us. Thus, if they're out for revenge, they will just NE us again and again, and try to throw a spanner in the works. I would hope they wouldn't hold a grudge against a country for BigAnts actions, but if they do: whatever we do, we'll be facing two fronts - which TWO HQ has stated is a problem. The solution isn't perfect, because the situation we are in is not perfect. However, it is possible for us to survive this, its a matter of how much it costs us to do so.
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Good article o7
o7
It doesn't add up, BigAnt is either hiding his mistake, or living in a dream world. Either way, its up to him to sort out a plan that will fix this mess. All we can do for now is fight and co-operate, but I'd hope that this series of mistakes will provide if nothing else, a learning experience for future Presidents. As well as that, we should ensure future cabinets are actually told about things, and congress is given all of the facts before it is asked to support a government.
If either of the final two points had been done properly, we may not have got into this mess.
Great article
o7
But at the last election much was made that Talon and TUP were responsible for the Azores plan so Big Ant couldn't claim credit for it...yes I know naming names and flaming...I'm seriously not. I just don't understand how one one month it is TWO and Talon who are responsible for arranging the Azores and then the next it was Big Ant.
On the plus side France looks like their plans to join the ''gang bang'' as they call it will now be out the window.
Yeah, we're safe from France. To be honest both could in theory be true. But ultimately, BigAnt is President: he had the final say on whether we chose that war or not, and he chose it. If it had worked, he would have said it was his idea all along, but because it didn't, he shifted the blame. I can see where you're coming from: but to be honest I'm not really sure I'd agree that TUP was responsible for it - I didn't then and I dont now. UK citizens who are in two are there as UK representatives, not members of a party.
I think the reason some people said that was because BigAnt blamed TUP for foreign affairs muck ups, and they responded in kind with that.
Hugh dont mistake what James says as him speaking on behalf of everyone: while I agree with some points I think that the azores war was a good idea and it had a good chance of working. That was properly implemented through TWO HQ and was approved - which is a key difference to "I need war - we're going for war - i'm attacking - Oh wai-".
I think my problem is in the timeline and the responses.
1) We announce war - BA sounds like its his plan to get us more "action"
2) We win in Canada and Azores - BA (and the rest of the eUK) over the moon
3) We lose it in a RW - BA blames TWO for not having support in the battle
4) The whole "lets annoy everyone in Europe" thing happens - its the pub's fault...
- NOTE: Apology issued, ta.
5) Ireland fall out and TW debacle - its a simple mistake
6) NE proposal on Norway - BA likes his plan to get us more action
7) CanDerp - BA is still cocky and mouths off (despite TWO obviously warning)
😎 "It's all TWO approved" - ...but it wasn't...
9) NL and Russia get involved(ish), france for a moment - CoTWO arn't giving us priority and I have super secret plans to get it sorted out!
10) Lose Wales, Lose in Norway, Lose in West Midlands - "Impeachment is victimisation"
That is how it looks to me - its an ever shifting array of public facing masks specifically to be the hero when in good times and the victim of a huge conspiracy when in bad.
Get over yourself BA and apologise for bringing the nation down - people are gunning for you because you messed up big time not because everyone and their dog play this game simply to attack you. Then actually work out a way to sort this out.
P.s. it would be nice if you could also update MoD with your plan so they can shout/supply/organise when you want them to.
Okay, just so were clear I wasn't having a ''pop'' at Talon or TUP because I'm one of the few who enjoyed the Azores weekend holiday.
I think there is a lot of confusion between the first attack and then the attempted second attack when it comes to TWO's involvement
"BigAnt is either hiding his mistake, or living in a dream world. "
Generous, I'd have said both.
Can anyone name something that BA hasn't screwed up in some form, other than the stuff entirely down to ministers or other people entirely?
The first attack was TWO backed, but required BigAnt's backup. The second attack wasn't TWO sanctioned, and was too late to have a reasonable chance at wiping them. I should add the second attack was also only 'announced' to me (MoD) when I saw the NE go up. Before that, no knowledge, no time to plan strikes, no nothing. This isn't the first time, but I would hope its the last time, someone else is left footing the responsibility for BigAnt and his trigger happy mouse.
Good article Jamesw
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Nice reading, well written
Regardless of where the fault lies I hope the United Kingdom can resolve her troubled foreign policy and close these wars.
o7
At the end of the day, a war can only happen if 66% of congress respond with a YES... I personally don't just blame BA... I think congress are to blame aswell... (I don't say this just because he is in my party)... The UK are getting a war... we asked for it, so we got it.. it's called a democracy where people don't always have to agree with the PM...so the votes are what you choose to do... we are not a communism...
You have a point Dannyboy, but congress were not given the information they needed to make an informed decision. BigAnt lied and told people that TWO had "ordered" an invasion of Norway.
So Frerk didn't take the Azores plan to Congress on his own because BigAnt wasn't online and requested an emergency vote which almost all of congress agreed to? Without BigAnt being there?
I like jamesw's perspective. After all it is the truth.
man, and I thought eCanada was dysfunctional. You guys may think Rylde is a turkey, but over here in Kanukistan, we're laughing our butts off at your re-election of BA.
Also, leave Norway and we'll leave you.
Congress was told it was a safe war, backed by TWO and Russia and that we had to vote yes.
If we had time to have properly discussed it, I am sure I would have voted differently...heck, if we had been told Canada might get involved, I would have voted no.
The implication was that TWO and Russia had given the green light, it appears that this is no wrong.
"His decisions, his way of governing, and his general competence are the sole measures."
they SHOULD be the sole measures but the eUK is so cliquey/partisan at the moment theres no doubt politics play a part in some criticism, even bigger than that are personal dislikes and grudges. Not saying criticism isn't justified or that you aren't being objective here, just that it seems hard to deny the personal and politiking haven't played a role in the criticism of BA throughout his terms.
Good article otherwise tho, probably the most reasoned so far about the war
also congress have to take some of the blame, if BA is where the buck stops for pressing buttons so are congress for their votes. If they were unsure or felt inadequately informed they should have voted no instead of lunging in the dark. + congress are surely just as culpable as BA for seemingly not expecting the Canada NE. With so much discussion about BA, TWO & communication after the 'Azores' they should have got the record straight and demanded clarity and more information
@Teppishc - Congress didn't feel they were, 'lunging in the dark' as you so 'neutrally' put it. 😉
They were given info by the CP. The info was wrong. It's got to the point where I'm not sure whether BA is merely addicted to lying, or if he's become so deluded that he believes his own lies ARE the actual truth...
@ Douglas: "If they were unsure...." which you obviously don't feel you were, so sure, no lunging....
Have the records of what he said to congress been published anywhere? as its hard to tell what happened without them.
Ideally though one role of congress should be to keep a check on the CP and not just follow whatever he tells them, so they shouldn't be able to completely absolve themselves with 'but he told us so..."
It's rather unfair to have a photo of George Bush in your article, as he managed to get two degrees from two of the world's top universities 😛
'Congress was told it was a safe war, backed by TWO and Russia and that we had to vote yes.
If we had time to have properly discussed it, I am sure I would have voted differently'
And this is where the problem lies. Congress and only congress have the power to take us to war. Question everything the CP tells you, that is the role of congress to hold the CP accountable. Demand more details from the CP/Proposer hold on to your vote (you have a full 24 hours in which to cast). If no details are forth coming then vote no. Repeat until you feel you have enough information to make a decision in the best interests of the nation.
You can't pick and choose when to follow executive orders, Congress are just as much to blame as BA.
@Vaett - He also managed to avoid the Vietnam draft, (instead joining the Texas National Guard) got selected as a pilot, despite having low aptitude scores, owned an oil company and a professional baseball team whilst barely into his 30s... All this, whilst regularly going missing due to alcoholism and drug abuse... Then daddy got him the Presidency...
It's amazing what vast family wealth and influence can get you, isn't it? ; ) : P
The CP gave the necessary details, he appears to just have given ones which weren't true - namely that TWO ordered us to attack Norway. You can't blame congress for not assuming they are being given false information by the CP.
http://www.erepublik.com/en/newspaper/51-degrees-north-286914/1
o7
You're only grasping the surface.
This was indeed TWO oriented. The question is (are); who is managing the UK's foreign policy and stand on the world, to what purposes, and what room of maneuver does the UK have at the moment? Is there a convergence between national interests and alliance interests?
The adequate answer to this questions will easily explain this issue and determine UK's present and future.
who is managing the UK's foreign policy and stand on the world
YES this is the point , please others look into this !
Why aren't congress holding tomfoolery to account is the real question
http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/unhappy-1-2196352/1/20
'You can't blame congress for not assuming they are being given false information by the CP.'
If BA said it was night time you'd check ya watch and have a gander outside just to be on the safe side...
Congress have 24hrs to vote, clicking that yes/no button as soon as you see it doesn't mean it gets passed any quicker, all it does is make it more likely that others will vote the same way.
Yes we can blame Congress, they voted in there droves for this. They ignored the CP for lowering taxes, yet are more then willing it would seem to take his judgement on a war proposal. Which of those are potentially more damaging to the nation? Congress shouldn't pick and choose what they wish to follow.
They didn't ignore the CP over taxes, they disagreed with his reasoning. His reasoning was sound on the NE, as he was willing to lie about the situation. If congress can't trust the CP to tell the truth on his interactions with our allies then he shouldn't be the one talking to them. That's impeachment-worthy in my opinion, sadly the gun was jumped on proposing it before the information fully came out and now we are stuck with him for another week at least.
So when's the next Presidential election? And what odds can I get on BA being re-elected again?
"So when's the next Presidential election? And what odds can I get on BA being re-elected again"
Exactly it's not so much BA's fault as the blind followers who keep voting for him!
BigAnt won't be reelected. Everyone is united against him at that.
This simply does not add up. BigAnt also talks about speaking with Russia - if this is the case, why did no-one in his Government know about these talks (not to mention the war with Norway itself), why did TWO HQ not know about this?
Lies again, all my cabinet where told about russia response, stop making smear lies