[KARD] Az elutasított román békejavaslat

Day 482, 13:37 • Published in Hungary Hungary • by Feherlofia Koppany

Mint KARD kormánytag és a KARD előző elnöke és alapító tagja, nem értek egyet a jelenlegi vezetés döntésével Morreau leváltásáról. Szintén nem értek egyet azzal, hogy jelenlegi kormánynak csak egyes tagjait érik vádak a magyar-román "béketárgyalásokkal" kapcsolatban, hiszen én magam KARD kormánytagként aktív részese vagyok az eMagyarországot érintő diplomáciai megbeszéléseknek. Hogy mindenki tiszta képet kapjon, közzé teszem a "tárgyalás" teljes szövegét. A kormány nem látta szükségét ezen tárgyalások nyilvánosságra hozatalának, hiszen komolytalanságánál fogva említésre sem méltónak tartottuk ezt a beszélgetést.

Azt gondolom a román fél a magyar belpolitikában akarja alkalmazni az "oszd meg és uralkodj" elvet, hogy saját belső viszályaink elvonják a figyelmet a lényegesebb dolgokról.


Mindenki hozzon popcorn-t és jó szórakozást. Szubjektív véleményem szerint ez vihar a biliben.


Session Start: Tue Mar 10 13:03:21 2009
Session Ident: #meeting
03[13:03] * Now talking in #meeting
03[13:03] * Kampec (kampec@mib-FE64D58F.adsl-pool.dravanet.hu) has joined #meeting
[13:03] F4llen4ngel- mikor jön egyébként?
[13:03] @Morreau- pár perce írt
[13:03] @Morreau- hogy mostanság ráérünk -e
[13:03] @Morreau- 1 óra múlva itt lesz saccra
[13:04] F4llen4ngel- uh
[13:04] Kampec- figyi
01[13:04] Feherlo- kb kettőig tudom itt lenni
[13:04] Kampec- nem olyn fontos neki ez
[13:04] Kampec- akkor
[13:04] Kampec- 🙂
[13:04] F4llen4ngel- akkor én csak olvasok majd
[13:04] Kampec- ugy nez ki
[13:04] Kampec- szeirntem nem szegedrol akar már beszelni
01[13:04] Feherlo- utána 3kor legközelebb
[13:04] Kampec- hanem az azutanrol
01[13:04] Feherlo- 😃
01[13:04] Feherlo- jah
[13:04] @Morreau- mi is szerintem
[13:04] @Morreau- szeged már zsebben
[13:04] Kampec- ha akarnak még elvehetnek
[13:04] Kampec- de akkor bukjak volgat
[13:04] Kampec- megint
[13:05] @Morreau- már qrva sokat kellene költeniük rá
[13:05] Kampec- igen
[13:05] Kampec- 100ezret visszahozni
[13:05] Kampec- tankokkal
[13:05] Kampec- rengeteg gold
[13:05] Kampec- meg q5
[13:05] @Morreau- ezt már nem néznék el dsalanak az oláhok
[13:05] Kampec- nincs mar ekkora készletku szerintem
[13:05] F4llen4ngel- bocsi már 100k felett
[13:05] Kampec- ja mar110k
[13:05] Kampec- peace beleavatkozna
[13:05] Kampec- raadasul
[13:05] F4llen4ngel- 110k mindjárt
[13:05] Kampec- szoval lenne az 150k is
[13:05] Kampec- vagy még tobb
[13:06] F4llen4ngel- euphonix le se tolta a 80 goldját
[13:06] @Morreau- én is nyomok még majd 1-2 ezret rá ha kelleni fog
[13:06] Kampec- dargornak is van még 5 wp-je
[13:06] Kampec- es még csomo nagy sebzesu elit nem harcolt
[13:06] Kampec- varom a maradek q2-ot
[13:06] @Morreau- jó
[13:06] Kampec- torok csvotol
[13:07] Kampec- magyar lakossag fele se harcolt még
[13:07] @Morreau- akkor jó pozícioból tárgyalhatunk 🙂
[13:07] Kampec- van még bennunk legalabb 30k sebzés
[13:07] Kampec- kulfoldiek nelkul
[13:07] Kampec- és jonnek a szerbek is
[13:07] Kampec- 🙂
[13:07] F4llen4ngel- igazából előszörr meg kell tudni mit aakr
[13:07] Kampec- ige
[13:07] F4llen4ngel- és most nem hozni konkrét döntést
[13:07] Kampec- mi ne mondjunk semmit
[13:07] Kampec- mondja el
[13:07] @Morreau- persze
[13:07] Kampec- mit akar
[13:07] Kampec- és kérsz 1 orat
[13:07] F4llen4ngel- nem egy órát
[13:07] F4llen4ngel- nem fix időt
[13:07] F4llen4ngel- alap hogy még átbeszéljük
[13:08] F4llen4ngel- nem egy óra vagy akármi
[13:08] F4llen4ngel- az kb ultimátum
[13:08] F4llen4ngel- azt pedig ne adogasson
[13:09] @Morreau- picit afk
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[13:11] F4llen4ngel- na megyek fogorvoshoz juppi
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[13:20] dsalageanu- greeting guyz 🙂
[13:20] sanya18- hi
01[13:20] Feherlo- hello Dragos 🙂
[13:20] dsalageanu- Have you seen these? http://picasaweb.google.com/bogdan.adamut/ERepublikHungaryMeeting?authkey=Gv1sRgCKij7eT_j6jXLg#
[13:21] sanya18- yes already
[13:21] PetiB- hi
[13:22] PetiB- i haven't yet, thanks
01[13:22] Feherlo- oh fine thx
[13:22] dsalageanu- Great. So, you must have monitored my last "Mussolini" move in romanian politics
[13:22] dsalageanu- and you might have figured out what I am trying to do
01[13:23] Feherlo- yes we saw the emergency state
[13:24] @morreau_afk- re
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01[13:24] Feherlo- re Morreau
[13:24] @Morreau- Hi dsalageanu
[13:24] dsalageanu- as we have already talked, it is impossible for a romanian politician to make concessions to Hungary without comitting political suicide
[13:24] @Morreau- nice to meet you 🙂
[13:24] dsalageanu- Hi Morreau 🙂
[13:25] sanya18- dsala, now they wont impeach you anything you do 🙂
[13:25] dsalageanu- so, luckily enough, I have already committed political suicide by loosing Western Siberia
[13:25] dsalageanu- so, I guess I will die only once 😁
01[13:25] Feherlo- they cant impeach you, you have time to correct things
[13:26] dsalageanu- Hmm, yes, but as you know I was never a big fan of the war with Hungary
[13:26] dsalageanu- it never was "my war"
[13:26] dsalageanu- we definitely cannot hold 2 fronts and I guess Romania has to recongnize its loss and to
[13:27] dsalageanu- re-organize in order to meet successfully any future challanges
[13:28] dsalageanu- As a conclusion, I want us to focus on the resolving of our dispute
[13:28] dsalageanu- What are your goals in this direction?
[13:28] @Morreau- regain ou territories
01[13:28] Feherlo- regain our original regions
01[13:29] Feherlo- after that we can talk about the future I think
[13:29] dsalageanu- Ok, how would you suggest doing that?
[13:30] @Morreau- the first question is how You want to end the war
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[13:33] @Morreau- what alternatives do you see possible to solve our dsipute?
[13:33] dsalageanu- wait, I see 2 different issues here
[13:33] dsalageanu- ending the "dispute" is one thing ending "the war" is another
[13:34] dsalageanu- if we have settled the "dispute", by returning the regions or whatever, the war can remain open
[13:34] dsalageanu- it is not necessary to have peace, unless we think it is the better option
01[13:35] Feherlo- main issue of the dispute is that our regins are under Romanian occupation
[13:36] dsalageanu- so far yes, but that will change
[13:37] dsalageanu- Ok, HOW do you propose to get the regions back? Trough "attack-retreat" mechanisms?
01[13:37] Feherlo- without solving this our ppl will see this always the main problem
01[13:37] Feherlo- you guarantee the success with retreat
[13:38] sanya18- but let it go until 1:00:00 remaining time
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[13:39] huba- ha i dsalageanu
[13:39] huba- hi
[13:39] dsalageanu- Hello Huba 🙂
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[13:40] dsalageanu- Ok, so you propose a successive attack, one day / one region, battles will last 23 hours and then I retreat
01[13:40] Feherlo- right
[13:40] dsalageanu- Is that correct?
01[13:40] Feherlo- if its needed you press retreat
[13:41] dsalageanu- Ok, this should be an announced and public decision and agreement, people should treat this as training wars
[13:42] dsalageanu- Published both in Romania and in Hungary. Would that be Ok?
[13:43] sanya18- and what about the opened war? do you want to close it?
01[13:43] Feherlo- we can agree in this as a possible method to regain our regions
[13:44] dsalageanu- guyz, are you still there?
[13:44] Morreau- yes
[13:44] Morreau- we're listening
[13:44] dsalageanu- Ok, i was scared about the "Global" warning 🙂
[13:45] dsalageanu- Ok, my proposal is the following
01[13:45] Feherlo- we are waiting for your other offers, why should we accept this with such hurry
[13:45] PetiB- sorry, i have to go, bye
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01[13:45] Feherlo- we waited for months
01[13:45] Feherlo- we are not in hurry
[13:45] dsalageanu- yes, sure, I will tell you my proposal and then you can discuss it with the others
[13:45] dsalageanu- and get back to me trough a PM
[13:46] dsalageanu- 1. I would agree to the mechanism suggeste😛
[13:46] dsalageanu- - Articles announcing the end of the war
[13:46] dsalageanu- - 4 consecutive training battles, controlled by retreat after 24 hours
[13:47] dsalageanu- - war can be left open or closed, there are arguments in favor of each option
[13:47] dsalageanu- 2
[13:47] dsalageanu- 2. I would propose that this happens at the end of this week (thursday - sunday)
[13:48] dsalageanu- 3. We will have a closed Eastern Front also, as you might have noticed, so we are not in a terrible hurry
[13:49] dsalageanu- This agreement would rely on a "gentlemen's agreement", no admins or crap like that.
[13:49] dsalageanu- I will hold my word and I trust you will also.
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01[13:49] Feherlo- bah
01[13:49] Feherlo- lehalt a mibbit
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[13:53] dsalageanu- what was the last line you have read?
[13:54] Morreau- I will hold my word and I trust you will also.
03[13:55] * Kampec is now known as Kampec_afk
[13:55] dsalageanu- Ok, in return I am asking the following:
[13:56] dsalageanu- 1. What guarantees would you offer that Romania won't be a target for a political TO any more? (not that it would be a better idea from your side more that it would have been from ours)
[13:56] dsalageanu- 2. I want Hungary to retreat from SGP, in sign of good fate and trust. It would get the region anyway later this week.
[13:57] dsalageanu- 3. What do you suggest we should do with the war after the regions are returned? Let it open? (pretty crazy, any attack would trigger MPP's) Close it down?
[13:57] dsalageanu- that should be all 🙂
[13:59] dsalageanu- So, please send me your response in-game or trough YM (dsalageanu) / MSN (dsalageanu@mac.com)
[13:59] dsalageanu- Cheers to you all!
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01[14:02] Feherlo- ez hülye
[14:03] Morreau- ezzel kb az saját idejét rövidítette meg 😃
01[14:03] Feherlo- írd neki csak annyit hogy vagy komoylan vesz minket vagy felejtse el
01[14:03] Feherlo- nem otthon van hoyg feltételket szabjon
[14:04] sanya18- nyugi
[14:04] sanya18- rá érünk válaszolni 😃
[14:11] F4llen4ngel- na látom lekéstem pont 🙂
[14:11] F4llen4ngel- viszont legalább a dentistászam volt
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[17:08] mib_bdgucr- guyz, how do I change my nickname?
[17:09] Kampec- write: /name yourname
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[17:11] dsalageanu- geez, tnx
[17:11] dsalageanu- Feherlo, any feedback regarding my proposal?
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[17:15] Baloggie- shalom
[17:16] Kampec- feherlo working IRL i think
[17:17] Baloggie- but if you'd like to speak about something whit us
[17:17] Baloggie- we'll answer your questions 😃
[17:17] Baloggie- *with
[17:31] dsalageanu- hey
[17:31] dsalageanu- sorry, I was also working IRL
[17:31] dsalageanu- so, I had a chat with some guyz from your government earlier and I was wondering
[17:32] dsalageanu- if they have some feedback from me
[17:32] dsalageanu- for me
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Session Close: Tue Mar 10 20:04:35 2009




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