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[IMPORTANT] Dear ukraineans,
We took 24 seats in Ukraine, so we can sign peace.
We were accused that we will destroy the country , we will steal, we will plunder , we will atack podolia.
This did not happen, on the contrary. I came with this article.
More over we accepted a new hospital in Ukraine, renewal of MPPs with our sworn enemy Hungary and another country Portugal, we will help with our own MPPs, and even aid with a hospital in the near future.
We are trying everything so we can be friends and not hurt your country.
But all i see from Ukraineans is hate words, and plans how you can double-screw us, with embargos and raising taxes.
We are not stupid nor morons. If we leave congress now, Hungarians who still have enough power will put an embargo with Romania.
I asked danylo for a contract that says clearly Ukraine will not embargo Romania, when this is finished we will move out of the country.
Still it is funny Hungary is trying so hard to brainwash you, Hungary that holds 2 Ukrainean Regions, Hungary who stole more than 3000 Gold from Ukraine untill now, Hungary who blackmails you if you don't do what they request.
I repeat: We came in peace, we leave with Peace, but don't take us as fools, and be reasonable, this is all we ask.
We were accused that we will destroy the country , we will steal, we will plunder , we will atack podolia.
This did not happen, on the contrary. I came with this article.
More over we accepted a new hospital in Ukraine, renewal of MPPs with our sworn enemy Hungary and another country Portugal, we will help with our own MPPs, and even aid with a hospital in the near future.
We are trying everything so we can be friends and not hurt your country.
But all i see from Ukraineans is hate words, and plans how you can double-screw us, with embargos and raising taxes.
We are not stupid nor morons. If we leave congress now, Hungarians who still have enough power will put an embargo with Romania.
I asked danylo for a contract that says clearly Ukraine will not embargo Romania, when this is finished we will move out of the country.
Still it is funny Hungary is trying so hard to brainwash you, Hungary that holds 2 Ukrainean Regions, Hungary who stole more than 3000 Gold from Ukraine untill now, Hungary who blackmails you if you don't do what they request.
I repeat: We came in peace, we leave with Peace, but don't take us as fools, and be reasonable, this is all we ask.
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So, I was correct, when I suspected that all that Romania says about “just wanting to sign peace” and “giving our Congress back to us” is just typical Romanian propaganda. Too bad. I was just starting to trust you.
yay
fu****g c0*ks&%$erS
@Virgil Vox how can we trust you don't put an embargo after we leave?
i want to sign a contract ASAP and we leave
In your first article you said, when we sign peace treaty with Ukraine, we will leave ASAP.
And now you are saying, "I asked danylo for a contract that says clearly Ukraine will not embargo Romania, when this is finished we will move out of the country."
I am waiting your next article )
I am disappoint.
sebahmah lied: the Romanian congressmen has not left the congress as he promised.
The stealing of money is also a lie and a quite nasty one...
@sebahmah You surely understand that after you have broken your promise, we could trust you even less?
Also, please don't embargo eUSA again. That war is a PEACE war and eUSA has done nothing to warrant being embargoed by eUkraine, except that eHungary/PEACE likes to push around victims of their aggression.
@BattalGazi if u cite me, do it properly, you'll see that i put there, "nand if Ukraine will be elad by real ukraineans"
To elaborate, I don't like this. Promises were made. Promises were broken. We might have just lost our chance to have good relations with the Ukrainians.
Just my 0.02 RON
@Quicksilver do your homework better and see what i said in that article..
hungarians you are so desperate.. jeeez, and your propaganda so weak
@Sebahmah
Ok, then explain me this action.
<a href="http://www.erepublik.com/en/country/Ukraine/citizenship/applications/approved/10" target="_blank">http://www.erepublik.com/en/country/Ukra[..]d/10</a>
<a href="http://www.erepublik.com/en/country/Ukraine/citizenship/applications/approved/11" target="_blank">http://www.erepublik.com/en/country/Ukra[..]d/11</a>
<a href="http://www.erepublik.com/en/country/Ukraine/citizenship/applications/approved/12" target="_blank">http://www.erepublik.com/en/country/Ukra[..]ed/12</a>
This proposal should be discussed with headquarters of our PEACE allies. For how long do you want us to guarantee the absence of the embargo?
@Publius Anything else you want from us? May be we should also give our treasury to you? Or, perhaps, surrender Podolia to you for good measure?
Publius: Ukraine is a member of PEACE GC.
@Virgil, you do realise I'm not eRomanian, right?
I just figured a country that had been bullied and played as a
puppet would have interest in making friends rather than enemies. eUSA hasn't done anything to warrant being embargoed by you.
That’s the thing with occupants. They come and say that they just want something little. After that they say that they’re almost done, but they won’t go until they will have some more. And more, and more. And that will never end.
It’s like drug addiction. You say to yourself that you can stop anytime, but you just cannot.
"I hope the Ukrainean leadership will see that our words are true now that we put them into action."
guess who said it? his name start with "sebah" and end with "mah".
funny! :D
I hope you will not sign that contract because it's a mistake if we would live the congress...Please don't sign it...We won fairly the seats in your congress...The rest it's dust in the wind...
accusations of broken promises and so...
what about Urals , what about Dnipro ? and holding international territories makes this here problem pale ... so please keep it in your trousers...
Ukraine does not understand what we can do to their country if we want to.
Sebahmah I think you are giving them a present that they just don't know it's value and threfore they do not apreciate.
Vigil Vox: can't agree more...
@Publius If you are from US you might know that before embargo we had a lot of talk with US President. Give the situation embargo was our only option, and your president understood that.
You forget another thing..even if sebahmah ask romanians from congress to leave..he doesnt have te authority here.Some will do ,some not.If you come with this kind of comments here be sure we will not leave soo soon because we don't trust you....So you will be stuck with us.I say be nice with us and we will be nice with you..:)I see hungarians are very sad..but it's just a game. Don't cry.And about lies don't worry we learnd all from you.You say you are ukrainian's friends but you don't want to give 2 territories to your friend....
no good will will remain unpunished.
The contract will be signed. Romanians will leave. I know you will keep your promise, but they will anyway not believe in your good faith, not even seing the promise kept.
I wish the Ukrainians will see trough the Hungarian propaganda and stop being string puppets.
Romanians that don't hold a stake here, I want to ask you one thing: Please stop making threats. The diplomatic situation has just gotten VERY unstable and the balance is fragile. Leave this to the people involved.
Accusations AND assumptions. You're doing more damage than good.
@Virgil Vox! The PTO it`s a way of playing the game. Wich part of Sebamah`s writting didn`t you understand? We stated very clearly our intentions. We wanted peace with Ukraine to bypass the embargo regarding ukrainean iron. What you do in your comments is PEACE propaganda.
@Silverbolt - Care ar fi dezamagirea ta? Asta am urmarit prin TO. Sa nu mai avem embargou cu Ucraina. Mi se pare rezonabil ce propune Sebamah.
@Sebamah - Keep up the good work. True romanians are on your side.
u guys have to think a bit further than today,
if sebahmah says he will do ..he will because this campaign is over watched from other nations and above all is watched by US e- Romanians!
say what u want but before this step was made ..he discuss this matter open to us and we agreed to this treaty1he cant lie coz he will lie to us and many others and is not going to be funny for him after!
on the other hand,is normal and think objective,to take so precaution measurements..not for UKRAINE people,but for our dear ehungarians..and i think is right to think twice before act!
so..u have one one hand a country who offer a peace treat and a change of goods..so offer a hand to shake,and on the other hand u have another country Ehun. who dictate u what and how and when to do!u like oppression.. go ahead with theme,u kinda desirve it in this moment1 we r not and we dont pretend to be the e-liberators but we r not oppressors either and the hand that eRomanians give to all her allies stand as testimony for everything!
with respect and consideration for ur opinions..S.S.
V-from Voted
Why only hungarians are commenting here?
This article is for REAL ukraineans and maybe these comments are showing how many real ukraineans are in this country.
all Romanians liars
@geo1981
I didn't understand this part:
"I want to guarantee some things:
...
5. Moldavian congressmans will resign as soon as peace is signed, and real ukraineans is incharge of its country"
Voted. Signing a contract, sound fair enough.
@ Geo1981 what sebah does and what the Romanian congressmen in the Ukrainain congress are doing is their business.
However, random romanians make random threats and that's a bad thing since they have no authority there. It's bad for the status quo.
I see the Hungarian propaganda machine is hard at work.
It is only natural for the side having the upper hand to expect at least diplomatic discussions..
So ALL we asked from the Ukraine is not to put an embargo on us.That's a VERY aggressive act I gather?
Do you realize how much harm can we cause you, do you realize that it is common sense not to jump at our necks at every step?
Take into consideration that until now, there was NO aggressive law initiated in the congress. Quite on the contrary ( mpp with Hungary!, hospital in Podolia!).
Ukraine leaders can do a step without Hungarians approval apparently.
But I forgot, brainwashing and mass manipulation is what Peace does best.
@Virgil Vox - Quote all the article, not only the part that suits your plans. So, read what Sebamah said lower then your quote "Overall, please understand Romania is not the enemy anymore, we started making mines in Bucovina, Ro region, and with the exports from Podolia we are just fine. I hope the Ukrainean leadership will see that our words are true now that we put them into action."
It's a shame that a great country la eUkraine is being pushed around like a puppet by eHungary. I simply cannot understand why do you allow this. Don't you have any honor?
Sebahmah promised that eRO will leave the ukrainean congress as soon as ukraine will be there own masters. It is obvious that eHungary will not allow eUkraine to be free. But never the less, we want to show all the world that we are liberators, not conquerors. If ukraine will sign the contract, contract that you have no reason not to sign, if you consider yourself as "free people", eRO will leave the congress. What other sign of good faith do you need?
This is the perfect situation for all the world to finally see, with clear proof, the real nature of eHungary. They are conquerors, they want do dominate and rule all the countries. It is pathetic that they have the nerve to say that PEACE is an alliance. All the members of PEACE are slaves of eHungary. It's a shame to see so many great countries under the rule of a country like eHungary.
And Romanian Congressmen are giving Ukrainian citizenship to Romanians at a frightening rate. Why, I wonder?
I agree with Silverbolt on that matter. If you have no authority stay out of it.
My dear friends from Ukraine,you are not in posture to put conditions,remember we have 24/40 seats in your Congress.Remember if we want in 24 hours Ukraine is under romanian occupation,or even better in 48 hours your country will become dust in the wind.
So it is best for you to accept OUR conditions to avoid being erased!
A romanian congressman from Ukraine!
P.S If you ask me i'll prefer the hard way,so don't sign the contrat.
Now, now I don't us to behave like Hungarians. :p
Let's get the contract sign and leave this country do what it pleases.
what would happen, if ukrainains weren't want to sign the contract?
I agree with John.
@all of you who are against this, i have a couple of questions.
Is it true that we didn't steal you're treasury, or bring any economical damage to your country?
Is it true that we voted in your interest regarding MPP's or any other home related issues?
If it's not true then please let me see some facts, otherwise when you point a finger at something begin with "Although they respected their promiss to..." (i'm sure you'll find better alternatives). An opinion that doesn't rely on facts or is not in agreement with reality is either a sign of a mental illness or cheep propaganda.
Yours truly,
Mihai
@hundaob,i speak for myself,but imagine that Ukraine will have no gold,no allies,no economy, will be one vs one war.The dust from Ukraine and Romania.How sound to you this?
Alecsandru010
This comments made by huns here is the biggest prove that they r afraid and they try to decide for u!!!take a good look friends!
Alecsandru010 I doesn't sounds good. It sounds threat...
Voted!
I can't believe we are trying to negotiate with terrorists
tacheshun: at first I wont call it "negotiate": "sign this paper or we will destroy you!" As I said its not "negotiation". Otherwise, who are terrorists: ukrainains? Why the h**l would be they terrorists???
Yeah, they leave the Congress, perhaps ... But their TO of Ukraine, will be endless, and they will constantly demanded something from us. This is just kind of a curse, a plague that affects Ukraine, every month even greater - Romanian immigrants.
No it is not a threat,it is reality,"We are not stupid nor morons" look all that we want is avoiding trading embargo,so sign the contract and everybody will have benefits.But REMEMBER WE HAVE 23/40 SEATS in your Congress,if we want we can ruin you!
Alecsandru010: its still sounds blackmail and threat...
It is hard even to read some newspaper in Ukraine. All national article hides bunch of Romanian and Moldova propaganda.
Now you're just misquoting.
The decision to not leave is very questionable, yes. But no one in the congress threatened to destroy Ukraine. They just said they wouldn't leave.
If they really were terrorists, I guess they would, indeed make that threat. It would be in their best interest. And again I ask everyone to let this play out within the Ukrainian government with its Romanian members.
Let's go through the checklist, shall we?
1. Sebamah promised Ukriane won't be plunered. Check!
2. Sebamah promised Ukraine will be free to ally with the Peace powers. Check!
3. Sebamah promissed a new Q5 hospital. Check!
4. Sebamah promissed Romanian investments in Ukraine, which means money collected by the Ukrianian government. Check!
5. Sebamah promissed the Romanians will withdraw when Ukraine is secure in Real-Life Ukrianian hands. Pending. Ukraine is still controlled by Hungary.
By controlled I mean all the Ukrainian political life and diplomacy is [badly] orchestrated by Hungary. Why badly? Because eHungary didn't manage to prevent the TO. Nor did they revert Dnipro and Siveria to Ukraine. Yet the Hungarians are are the friends and the Romanians the bad guys Oh, and let's not forget about the 3000 gold plundered from the Ukrainian treasury by Hungary .
But you know what? Acts speak louder than words. Once Ukraine has a well funded treasury and all its territories back all the rhetoric about the TO will change.
Alecsandru010-org
oh, so now you are talking about conditions, right?
so why was there all that bravada of "coming in peace, leaving congress, friends forever?"
lies, hypocrisy, again and again. and now also threatenings...
remember, that we made you a great favor not attacking you this morning before the peace treaty was signed.
@BattalGazi - bro, I don't know what's happening but all romanians who are coming have LAND skill. Maybe they coming to work.
The discussions should be between Romanian leaders and Ukrainian ones. I think that the fact that this article exists means that Ukrainian leaders are not very open to dialogue.
@Silverbolt : felicitari pentru prospatul madat de membru al congresului. Te rog insa sa nu mai ceri userilor sa nu comenteze un articol.Nu ai primit acest drept odata cu mandatul. Rolul unui articol este ca lumea sa-l vada si sa comenteze pe tema lui.
Alexander don't mind anyone who is not GOV rep
@Alecsandru010-org and Alexander II
Just leave threats away, you are only making negotiation harder.
No you couldn't have attacked us, because the battle would have ended once the peace was signed.
Alexander II The Great: so Alecsandru010 is a little more virulent , so what? that's not the official position as far as i can tell. what did we do so bad until now , in congres i mean , that made you say all the things about the lies and hypocrisy. If we wanted to plunder and to steal couldn't we done that already?
а про надання українського громадянства румунам президент Румунії так і не відповів
"Acts speak louder than words."
Pictures also have that specific effect:
<a href="http://erepubliklive.files.wordpress.com/2009/01/erepublik-world-map-day421.jpg" target="_blank">http://erepubliklive.files.wordpress.com[..].jpg</a>
Find the Ukraine on that map
clawy that picture sure was nice. still living in the past i see. who controls parts of ukraine in the present?
new rulers yesterday, imigrants today, citizens tomorrow. Bye-bye free Ukraine, the new romanian province!
It's right there..near Budapest
<a href="http://www.erepublik.com/en/map" target="_blank">http://www.erepublik.com/en/map</a> present day says just as much about eHungary..
Alex.R: when did you last conquer Podolia?
Hmmm I'm asking myself two questions. Why doesn't Ukraine accept a contrat with Romania that they woun't put a embargo on us. And why do you think that ungariens have your best interest, look what a great job they did with eItaly, and then even had the nerv to criticize them after not helping them and then refuse negocietions . With friend like that who need enemies... but this can't be true case there the "good" guys
sebah, it's so easy: you can not go in another person's home if he has not invited you. even if you say "I will be very polite".
I'm sure you will agree
@clawy: well my dear disloyal Romanian citizen, we're now day 647. In the 200+ days since the date on your picture people learned new ways to play the game. For instance you are aware Victor Petrescu is auctioning the Hungarian presidency, aren't you?
@ObserverUA: what would you do to make sure Ukraine remains neutral given the spicy Ukrainian & Hungarian comments?! This is a strategy game. So how would you GUARANTEE a friendly Ukraine otherwise? Get your baby boom and we will leave. If you have a baby-boom like France the Romanian Congressmen won't be able to stop it. But neither would be the Hungarians able to turn you into a PEACE puppet So stop commenting here and start working on the Ukrainian forums.
@clawy I'm tired of you bringing back the past with every ocasion, if you like it that much live in it
Seriosly now Romania has allot of new player who didn't know that past, or want anything with it, so spare my the drama please.
Podolia was a diversion attack and we could believe that we did it
all "ukraineans" here are hungarian undercover? it seems to me or they write in favour of hungary ?:o
At least we didn't steal 3000 gold and said that that's for your protection.
Get your heads out of the mud.
Quicksilver, Feherlofia lied 2 times, so I guess we should trust him?
mihail.cazacu предоставление гражданства єто тот пункт которого нет в обещаниях президента Румынии и он самый скользкий, если вы "хотите мира и уходите", то почему численость ерумынов в Украине растет.
Мы знаем что предыдущие обещания президента выполнены, но он игнорирует вопросы о гражданстве от Vigil Vox.
Пока єто выглядит как часть бОльшего плана в отношении еУкраины, а нам рассказали только небольшую часть.
Sou do Benfica
E isso me envaidece
Tenho a genica
Que a qualquer engrandece
Sou de um clube lutador
Que na luta com fervor
Nunca encontrou rival
Neste nosso Portugal.
(Refrão)
Ser Benfiquista
É ter na alma a chama imensa
Que nos conquista
E leva à palma a luz intensa
Do sol que lá no céu
Risonho vem beijar
Com orgulho muito seu
As camisolas berrantes
Que nos campos a vibrar
São papoilas saltitantes.»
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well believe me I'd be among the first who'd like to settle this up peacefully and quietly. But it's not only about words, it's also about actions.
the citizenship thing cannot be missed and forgotten just like that. the only essence and privilege of citizenship in this game is possibility of voting. and, hmmm, aren't there the presidential elections in a week? interesting...
after the fact that during the three of last election campaigns in Ukraine Romanians played TOO active role.
so what would we do now? Ukrainians and Romanians?
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The TO that Romania did might be a lifetime opportunity, we can't take Ucrainians words for granted, the truth is a weak concept in politics so even if we say we trust you we can't just let go our advantage, so citizenships to our people were granted but don't forget that plan A is to come in peace. Eiterwise there is always a plan B.
"And Romanian Congressmen are giving Ukrainian citizenship to Romanians at a frightening rate. Why, I wonder?"
The answer is simple: because THEY CAN.
Get the facts: the majority of UKR congress is now Romanian. We did it, now deal with it! We didn't do it for fun, we did it for economical and military reasons clearly stated by our president. The military interest has been accomplished, the economical one is still pending.
After that, the Romanian congressmen MAY or MAY NOT leave. And next month we MAY or MAY NOT attempt another TO.
And don't give me any BS with Romanian president not respecting his promises. Read here:
"5. Moldavian congressmans will resign as soon as peace is signed, and real ukraineans is incharge of its country"
I know most of you stop right before comma, but there's also some "and real ukraineans is incharge of its country". That's for us to decide when it happens.
In the meantime watch us ruling your country. We are good at this game, we may actually do it better than you ever did.
@ObserverUA: You are missing the bigger picture. If the newly-made Ukrainian citizens can change the balance of power in Ukraine, that is because there are not enough Real Ukrainians in the game.
If there are not enough Real-life Ukrainians in the game it means there is no guarantee of a neutral Ukraine. Why? Because the next second after the Romanians leave the Hungarians take over. It is as simple as that!
Sebamah said "we will leave when Ukraine is controlled by real Ukrianians". So here is what you need to do: convince more real-life Ukrainians to join the game. In Real Life you have a population larger than Romania and Hungary combined. Bring enough true Ukrainians in the game and you will not have to worry about Romania or Hungary controlling you anymore.
finally i understand all: eUkraine controlled by not real Ukrainians coz Danylo our president and he is not from Ukraine.
So we need real ukrainian president from r Kamenka) am i right?
@ObserverUA: He, he, you are ALMOST right
You need to have an Ukrainian Congress AND an Ukrainian president. You cannot have an Ukrainian Congress because there are not enough Real Ukrainians in the game to vote for Real Ukrainian candidates.
Because there are more foreigners than Ukrainians there is no guarantee the next Ukrainian president will be Ukrainian.
Look at what has happened before the TO: Danylo wanted to sign the peace treaty with Romania but could not. Because before the TO the Hungarians were controlling Ukraine. So you need BOTH the Congress AND the President.
You need both a real Ukrainian President and a Congress dominated by Real-life Ukrainians.
Because there are now less Ukrainians than foreigners you can't have an Ukrainian Congres and it is always the risk to get a non-Ukrainian president. So what you need to do is to bring more real Ukrainians in the game.
i want official explanation of new romanian "ukrainians" from romanian president
it's intervention and it's act of agression.
but i think their president don't mind it...he is only repeating "we come with peace"...liar...
how we can build peaceful relationship after such a behavior?
You're kinda right, Romania did the PTO AFTER all peace/economical negotiations with Danylo failed. And they failed because HUNGARIANS DIDN'T ALLOW HIM TO SIGN SUCH A TREATY. Nevertheless, because Sebahmah understood Danylo's reasons he decided that the Romanian congressmen will support his actions. Still, bare in mind, they are Romanian congressmen so they will also follow Romanian interests.
To control an e-country you need both president and congress. And, more important, a lot of RL Ukrainians playing the game. Until then, you'll just have to keep playing this game of "Good cop, bad cop" with the Romanians and, respectively the Hungarians.
Stop the romanian immigration and leave the eUkraine.
kovpak, try telling this first to your Hungarian "allies". Last time I've checked, Romania didn't own any original Ukrainian region.
The recently signed peace was just a cease fire, we're still on different sides, and your recent MPP choice reassured this status. We are not yet your allies by any means, so we act consequently. You failed to stop us from taking your Congress, what makes you think we will leave just because kovpak tells us so?
Romanians - are the worst enemies of Ukraine, who will never stop at putting into life plans of devastation of our country. The fact that they have not destroyed Ukraine's economy yet, simply means that it is not profitable for them... now. Never the less, they will not hesitate a while to do this, if it would be needed.
Romanians - are the worst enemies of Ukraine, who will never stop at putting into life plans of devastation of our country. The fact that they have not destroyed Ukraine's economy yet, simply means that it is not profitable for them... now. Never the less, they will not hesitate a while to do this, if it would be needed.
Несколько пояснений
1) румыны отказались от грабежа Украины, они не будут голосовать в Конгрессе – оставляют это право за вами.
2) если вы хотите мира, придется предоставить суверенитет Молдовы (моей стране).
sebahmah - you say all you see from Ukrainians are hate words - I see hate words from both sides and if we do not come to an agreement soon they will get worse. You should know better than to help encourage that conduct on both sides.
Many Romanians are also saying we won your congress fair and square and will do what we want now so let's not pretend that Ukrainians are the only ones fanning the flames here.
I in turn will be waiting for this contract that your side says it will propose because your people are saying that I am refusing to sign a contract with you - well it is difficult to sign something that does not exist and has not been proposed.
Tikhenko - Explain to me why they would devastate an economy even if it was not profitable to them. There would be no reason to do it, and would take effort that either is not worth their time, or worth the diplomatic aftershocks.
To be honest, I don't think Romania wants to be in Ukraine, I think it doesn't help their public image that much, and want to get out as soon as possible, once they have their trade up again.
eroumanian try to brainwash you...an other sebamah-propaganda. He is the best of this warfare, and eRoumanians too, the developers of PTO:)
But, of course, they said: we are the puppetmasters...-.-
Ukrainians, I think, you will lost you rich territoríes (Volhynia->Poland, Podolia->Roumania), your pride, your souveregnity... But don't be affraid: sebamah will write you an other good propaganda-article:D
I see that clearly some ppl are enough limited to don't see that if eRomania wants we can really detroy you, instead, we don't even want your friendship if you cannot appreaciate that ...
it is so simple eRomania has more than 50% from your congress, thought we don't want to steal, we want to make business... is this so hard to see?
for eUkrainiens : more than 50% of congress can do this anyway, still braveLESS hungarians brag only bullsh1t here ... it is called propaganda from you... e hungarians ;O
А чего Вы такие добрые только сейчас - PEACE научил миру? )))
Какого вы полезли в украинский конгресс - своего мало?
Давайте не про венгров, а про захват Подолья - это наверное Дракула и злые силы? а Вы добрые и пушистые? Спасибо, не верю.